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They preempted that for this?

Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

Tim from Springfield said:
firepoint525 said:
Most of the pre-emptions mentioned here were for programs from years ago. But I happened to be channel-surfing one recent Saturday night here in Nashville, and noticed that channel 4 (WSMV) was running a Time-Life infomercial in place of whatever NBC was ordinarily running on Saturday night. It made me realize that Saturday night really IS a low viewership night if an NBC affiliate can make more money by running an infomercial in prime time! :eek:
Hard to believe--that would have been unthinkable not too long ago, circa 1985-93 on NBC back when the network had strong Saturday night ratings with the likes of the last few seasons of "Facts of Life," "Golden Girls," "227," and "Empty Nest" on that night.
I don't recall now, but I believe that the pre-emption that I previously referenced was probably during the summer months. However, last Friday evening, both channels 4 and 5 (NBC and CBS, respectively) pre-empted their 7:00 p.m. hours with infomercials for the likes of Time-Life music, Monroe Carell, Jr., Children's Hospital, and the Shark vacuum cleaner.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

hipman2 said:
One year, I forgot which, KGTV in San Diego pre-empted The Skins golf tournament because it wanted to run the local weekend news at 5pm. Many golfers here weren't too happy with that.
A radio station which I used to work for in Clarksville, Tennessee, (WDXN) was an Atlanta Braves affiliate at the time. The then-GM of said station did not want to carry a particular Braves game because it would mean interfering with our "drive-time" programming! He actually said this! :eek: ::) Fortunately, this was still during office hours that day, so management took all of the irate calls from fans wondering why we "weren't carrying the Braves anymore." He then relented, and allowed me to join the game in progress.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

I haven't had the time to make the post I want to make because of the length, but I do believe this more recent practice of stations pre-empting prime time shows for infomercials needs to be stopped by the networks and the FCC. I've always said that there should be an FCC rule in place that regular programming can't be pre-empted by infomercials at any time. But I believe that the networks should start penalizing stations that do it, especially in prime time.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

anotherguy said:
I haven't had the time to make the post I want to make because of the length, but I do believe this more recent practice of stations pre-empting prime time shows for infomercials needs to be stopped by the networks and the FCC. I've always said that there should be an FCC rule in place that regular programming can't be pre-empted by infomercials at any time. But I believe that the networks should start penalizing stations that do it, especially in prime time.

You raise a bunch of thorny legal issues but I'd like see some smart lawyers figure out how to get rid of infomercials all together. Early television had them, too. Then the FCC passed a rule that sponsored programs had to have at least a certain amount of entertainment content (unrelated to the sponsor's product). Rather than buying a full half-hour, direct response advertisers discovered they could make their pitch within the cheaper confines of a 60 second spot. Bring that back and see if Popeil still wants to buy half-hours in prime time.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

One word why there are informercials: money. It's all profit for a TV station.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

hipman2 said:
One word why there are informercials: money. It's all profit for a TV station.

This is the kind of choice many businesses face: The quick buck or long-term customer satisfaction and loyalty. Most bean counters don't see past the current quarter, so they make the wrong choice.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

Not really a pre-emption, but rather just a delay, and as it relates to KGTV...they, along with the Fisher ABC stations in Seattle (KOMO) and Portland (KATU) used to delay Monday Night Football by a hour unless the home teams (of course, the Chargers and Seahawks, in this case) were participating, which meant it aired live on the West Coast at 6pm. I believe there was one point at one these three stations, they would join the game in progress at 7 instead of an outright delay.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

In the '50s WFMY would frequently pre-empt or (more likely)
delay a CBS program scheduled between two established hits
and run a syndicated show or local program instead. Examples:

December Bride--slotted between I Love Lucy and Studio One,
aired on delay on Sundays in Greensboro

The Millionaire--slotted between Arthur Godfrey and I've Got A
Secret, aired on delay on Fridays

Alfred Hitchcock Presents--slotted between G.E. Theater and
The $64,000 Challenge, aired on delay on Saturdays

WFMY also pre-empted both half-hours surrounding The $64,000
Question; Red Skelton aired in Greensboro on Saturdays, while Do
You Trust Your Wife? aired on Fridays (with the network news only
15 minutes then, WFMY could schedule entertainment shows at 6
as well as 7 PM).

I don't know if it was pressure from CBS (the kind that cost KXLY
its affiliation years later and forced WKRG to start airing more shows
in pattern), but WFMY discontinued the practice around 1958; I can
remember The Millionaire, Skelton, and Hitchcock airing in pattern.

WFMY, in its early years (1949-53), was the only station in the Piedmont
Triad and two program choices have always puzzled me, one more than
the other. On Sundays the Colgate Comedy Hour aired at 8 PM; when they
finally picked up Ed Sullivan, they delayed him until Tuesday until WSJS (now
WXII) signed on and took the NBC affiliation. Sullivan then began airing in
pattern. That's not quite so puzzling; powered largely by Dean Martin and
Jerry Lewis, the Colgate Comedy Hour usually beat Sullivan head-to-head
in the early '50s. The puzzler is the station's choice of the Voice of Firestone
over Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts (the number-one show in 1951-52) on
Mondays. Firestone had its merits, but it was usually NBC's (and, later, ABC's)
lowest-rated program. That, too, ended when the Triad got an NBC affiliate;
no surprise who won the faceoff between Godfrey and Firestone.

I've also seen old Greensboro schedules (may have even posted a few) that
show that WFMY did not pick up I Love Lucy until about midway through its
first season; when Lucy debuted in October 1951 Channel 2 was running the
documentary series Crusade In The Pacific on Mondays at 9.

Of course, with the choice of WFMY, the radio, or some other activity, no
one seemed to notice or care.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

ShawnHill1 said:
Not really a pre-emption, but rather just a delay, and as it relates to KGTV...they, along with the Fisher ABC stations in Seattle (KOMO) and Portland (KATU) used to delay Monday Night Football by a hour unless the home teams (of course, the Chargers and Seahawks, in this case) were participating, which meant it aired live on the West Coast at 6pm. I believe there was one point at one these three stations, they would join the game in progress at 7 instead of an outright delay.

Could be, but I recall listings in the Portland and Western Washington State editions of TV Guide that showed Monday Night Football airing on tape-delay on KATU and KOMO. I've also heard stories of commuters in Seattle being able to hear the games on radio starting at 6 (PT), only to come home and find the game running an hour behind on television. This did not make for happy campers.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

firepoint525 said:
Tim from Springfield said:
firepoint525 said:
Most of the pre-emptions mentioned here were for programs from years ago. But I happened to be channel-surfing one recent Saturday night here in Nashville, and noticed that channel 4 (WSMV) was running a Time-Life infomercial in place of whatever NBC was ordinarily running on Saturday night. It made me realize that Saturday night really IS a low viewership night if an NBC affiliate can make more money by running an infomercial in prime time! :eek:
Hard to believe--that would have been unthinkable not too long ago, circa 1985-93 on NBC back when the network had strong Saturday night ratings with the likes of the last few seasons of "Facts of Life," "Golden Girls," "227," and "Empty Nest" on that night.
I don't recall now, but I believe that the pre-emption that I previously referenced was probably during the summer months. However, last Friday evening, both channels 4 and 5 (NBC and CBS, respectively) pre-empted their 7:00 p.m. hours with infomercials for the likes of Time-Life music, Monroe Carell, Jr., Children's Hospital, and the Shark vacuum cleaner.

KSHB runs infomercials at 6:30 on Saturday evenings and after SNL
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

Every New Year's Eve, KMBC delay's Dick Clark (or who's replaced him) by an hour for their 2 Sitcom reruns even though the ball drop can be seen live hundreds of other places
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

nomadcowatbk said:
Every New Year's Eve, KMBC delay's Dick Clark (or who's replaced him) by an hour for their 2 Sitcom reruns even though the ball drop
can be seen live hundreds of other places

Central Time Zone ABC stations may do that on purpose so viewers see the ball drop at midnight
local time, even though it actually happened an hour earlier.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

nomadcowatbk said:
KSHB runs infomercials at 6:30 on Saturday evenings and after SNL

Although I hate infomercials, at least in those cases they're in regularly scheduled slots and not pre-empting other regular programming, so people won't be expecting to see something else.

oldiesfan6479 said:
nomadcowatbk said:
Every New Year's Eve, KMBC delay's Dick Clark (or who's replaced him) by an hour for their 2 Sitcom reruns even though the ball drop
can be seen live hundreds of other places

Central Time Zone ABC stations may do that on purpose so viewers see the ball drop at midnight
local time, even though it actually happened an hour earlier.

The ABC, NBC, and Fox stations in Memphis, Nashville, and Jackson, TN would do that with their New Year's specials as well. (CBS usually had Letterman and Ferguson in their normal times.) In most cases the stations would carry whatever syndicated shows they normally had later in the night from10:35 to 11:35. But wouldn't you know it, guess what WSMV in Nashville carried: Infomercials. :p I don't know how they've done in recent years since Charter dropped them in Jackson, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again this year.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

oldiesfan6479 said:
nomadcowatbk said:
Every New Year's Eve, KMBC delay's Dick Clark (or who's replaced him) by an hour for their 2 Sitcom reruns even though the ball drop
can be seen live hundreds of other places

Central Time Zone ABC stations may do that on purpose so viewers see the ball drop at midnight
local time, even though it actually happened an hour earlier.

a few in the Central Time Zone air it live, I guess ABC let's stations outside the Eastern time zone decide when to air it
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

What NYE from the Eastern time zone air live outside the Eastern time zone? Last year, Carson Daily's show from NY aired delayed on KSHB. Do some stations think Central time viewers want to the ball dropped again at midnight even it's tape delayed or do they just wan the $ from syndicated reruns?
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

re: Central Time zone stations delaying late night shows. There is one less hour for syndicated programming before 7pm in the Central time zone than there are for the Eastern and Pacific time zones due to the fact that network programs start at 7pm there. Stations see the 10:35-11:35pm as their last chance to run syndicated fare before midnight. Any TV stations doing this? Which ones?
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

nomadcowatbk said:
firepoint525 said:
Tim from Springfield said:
firepoint525 said:
Most of the pre-emptions mentioned here were for programs from years ago. But I happened to be channel-surfing one recent Saturday night here in Nashville, and noticed that channel 4 (WSMV) was running a Time-Life infomercial in place of whatever NBC was ordinarily running on Saturday night. It made me realize that Saturday night really IS a low viewership night if an NBC affiliate can make more money by running an infomercial in prime time! :eek:
Hard to believe--that would have been unthinkable not too long ago, circa 1985-93 on NBC back when the network had strong Saturday night ratings with the likes of the last few seasons of "Facts of Life," "Golden Girls," "227," and "Empty Nest" on that night.
I don't recall now, but I believe that the pre-emption that I previously referenced was probably during the summer months. However, last Friday evening, both channels 4 and 5 (NBC and CBS, respectively) pre-empted their 7:00 p.m. hours with infomercials for the likes of Time-Life music, Monroe Carell, Jr., Children's Hospital, and the Shark vacuum cleaner.
KSHB runs infomercials at 6:30 on Saturday evenings and after SNL
That isn't prime-time, at least here in the central time zone, and good luck getting any viewers to sit through the snooze-fest that SNL has become.
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

anotherguy said:
nomadcowatbk said:
KSHB runs infomercials at 6:30 on Saturday evenings and after SNL
Although I hate infomercials, at least in those cases they're in regularly scheduled slots and not pre-empting other regular programming, so people won't be expecting to see something else.
Channel 5 here in Nashville ran an infomercial at that time in place of Inside Edition, but they have occasionally done that before. Again, not prime-time, so no real big deal.

Anyone buying time for an infomercial right after SNL should be able to buy the time dirt cheap. After all, only insomniacs would be watching! Maybe sell sleep aids or those fluffy foam pillows! ;D
 
Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

Since no one has checked in from Southeast Arkansas....

KATV has been and still is the most preemption-prone of the Little Rock affiliates. The syndicated SEC Men's Basketball games for years have preempted ABC programming on Wednesday nights (including Lost during its run). Also, during December KATV shows non-conference Razorback BB games and bumps ABC shows.

KATV also aired infomercials in place of two World Cup games this past summer available to ABC stations.

The most notorious KATV preemption in my mind was in May of 1982 when the station preempted the network premiere of Brubaker (staring Robert Redford) which screenplay was based upon the memoirs of Tom Murton the one-time Arkansas Prison Superintendent. Now this was the night before the Arkansas mid-term primaries and KATV trotted out the 1970 western Rio Lobo staring John Wayne.

CBS affiliate KTHV in recent years has been good about airing a complete CBS schedule with the exception of the annual Victoria's Secret Fashion Show (preempted from 2002-2009--no show in 2004) which faced preemptions. This year was the first airing of the VSFS on KTHV.

Prior to 1995 however, KTHV was a nightmare of preemptions. Sunday Morning was never shown on KTHV until August 1995 due to preemptions for shopwarn old movies. KTHV also delayed the first couple of years of Letterman when he moved to CBS to show Cheers reruns. A short-lived CBS show, Grapevine was preempted due to moral reasons in 1992.

KARK under Nexstar's watch did preempt The Book Of Daniel in 2006. The station that aired TBOD, then WB affiliate KWBF is now KARK's sister station KARZ. The 1970's and 80's were full of KARK preemptions including airing Sportsworld on late Sunday nights.

KTVE El Dorado AR/Monroe LA was a ABC affiliate until 1982 and aired Fridays in pattern (KATV delayed it an hour), but had Mid South Wrestling on Saturday nights long after switching to NBC and preempting Saturday Night Live well into the 1980's. KARK had carried SNL as long as I can remember.

WABG Greenwood/Greenville MS preempted the first two seasons of NYPD Blue, and even preempted the "Lesbian Kiss" episode of Roseanne in 1994. The irony is that WABG carried reruns of Roseanne at 6:30PM Central between the local news and ABC network programming at that time!
 


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