Thank you! That's probably why I got the second pop-up. On my end, it was still there. I thought I was doing something wrong.
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It's 2015! Time to get rid of the '70s.
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Thank you! That's probably why I got the second pop-up. On my end, it was still there. I thought I was doing something wrong.
I don't think I've ever "knocked" anything. My point has to do with the practicality of these kinds of stations.
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It's like I told Chimpanzee on the previous page concerning gold-based AC's on the net: Because gold-based AC's are becoming harder and harder to find OTA*, the gold-based web stations that are being created online are helping to fill a void. That's their practicality.
*Radio-locator.com classifies gold-based AC's (such as WDUV, for example) as easy listening and most of them are in either the deep South or West of the Appalachians. Unless you are lucky enough to live in such areas, you have to seek out streams.
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/fi...=Y&is_unl=Y&is_ful=Y&is_lp=Y&scope=all&prev=0
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/format?code=ezy
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The goal of those web stations that limit the number of streams to 50 or 100 or something similarly small are obviously hobbyist stations. There is no business model on the planet that would allow a stream with an average of 30 or 50 or 70 listeners to sell advertising. They might get an occasional buck or two in donations, but I believe most of the "payback" is in creating one's own personal music mix and offering it to the world.
A commercial station has to get income... revenue... sales because we have people to pay, licenses to pay, rent and utilities to pay, insurance and auditors to pay... and we can't make money on 30 average listeners. It's a different scenario.
I have actually created my own "potential" streaming station. I have a station voice, a production library, a studio quality mixer and related gear. And I have the music library properly tagged, too. But I don't have the time to do the daily logs and the log editing required for this and I don't want to start paying the RIAA when I am already paying several hundred a month for my website server colo and 40 tb in monthly bandwidth (which I now exceed). So I understand why streamers want to be "on the air" but can't look for thousands of simultaneous sessions as the cost would be excessive for a hobby station.
Their practicality has to do with how much it costs to do what they do. Unless they charge a regular monthly subscription, they're not very practical.
The people who run these streams are spending thousands of dollars a year of their personal money in royalty fees so you can enjoy your music for free. That gravy train can't run forever, and THAT is the practicality of the situation.
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Knowing that it will sound like all the other stations he oversees and programs.....no thanks. I don't need the same 400 songs on the internet. And if you Live365, the royalty fees are already covered.
http://www.live365.com/pro/royalties.live
I wish they wouldn't. Were I able to conveniently listen online, that would make it harder or me to actually find an actual easy listening station.
I looked at WDUV's playlist one day and found a Carpenters song, so it's not true artists like them are gone. Still, I wouldn't be entirely happy with what I saw. I'd consider it acceptable background music in a business or something to try temporarily if my station were doing a sports broadcast or something, or if I was way out in the country on my way to somewhere, or at night. I wouldn't want to be stuck in Tampa.
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That's why they have sites like this helping out with royalty fees: https://www.pronetlicensing.com/index.shtml
Not every listener can afford a regular monthly subscription. That was one reason my family ditched our car's satellite subscription, even though we enjoyed the music that was offered. Since we don't have hi-tech cell phones or the more higher-tech iPods (we have the Nano, which doesn't offer net streaming), we have to rely on CD's for car trips now.
Not every listener can afford a regular monthly subscription. That was one reason my family ditched our car's satellite subscription, even though we enjoyed the music that was offered. Since we don't have hi-tech cell phones or the more higher-tech iPods (we have the Nano, which doesn't offer net streaming), we have to rely on CD's for car trips now.
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They just handle the relations, they don't actually pay the fee. The station pays the fee to Live365. That bill can be thousands of dollars.
Read the small print. The server doesn't "help out" with the royalty fees. You pay them, and they pay SoundExchange.
SOMEONE has to pay so you can enjoy what you want.
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See the rest of my post above about listeners being able to afford monthly subscriptions.
You should be required to attend the meetings I have with SoundExchange and the other music organizations. They don't care about what listeners can afford. The quote they gave me is "Your business model is not our problem." They want their money, and it keeps going up. Taylor Swift is a multi-millionaire, and she took her music off Spotify. Get ready for more of that. The courts are now dealing with pre-1972 music. My expectation is that it all will be taken off the web.
Live365 charges a fee for streaming, a fee for rights management and passes on the RIAA fees. There is no free lunch.
One format I have prepared has about 1,400 songs... it covers the birth of "nueva ola" or pop in Spanish from around 1962 to the period of change and stagnation in the mid 80's. It's Palito Ortega, Los Teen Tops and the Dúo Dinámico up to Timbiriche and Padora and Daniela Romo, with a taste of Mecano and Hombres G.
The other is a "history of Vallenato" format with over 1000 songs going back to the late 30's and extending to when the format became citified in the 90's. It also has a considerable alternate version library, with live versions, duos and such. It basically covers Juancho Polo Valencia to the Binomio de Oro era.
Since the formats are intended to satisfy my deepest musical preferences, the concepts follow the immortal words of Ricky Nelson, "You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself". And that is what the Live365 streamers are mostly doing. It's aural self-gratification.
And it's expensive unless you limit the streams severely.
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Radio-locator can be years behind format switches. It's totally unreliable and based to a great extent on either the trade newsletters online or stations themselves notifying the webmaster. In any case, it still takes them a long time to update.
WDUV was Easy Listening at one time. Before that, they were Beautiful Music.
If you go to the other site, you'll see that they charge based on hours spent listening. A few years ago, Pandora tried to limit that to ten hours a week, and users went crazy.
I read here all the time how radio people are "suits." But you are able to speak with us. You don't see people from the music industry here. Those folks are REAL suits. They are the people WE have to deal with so you can enjoy your favorite songs for free. One day, I'll post some of what they say about this subject. You won't like it.
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As a progressive, I side with the little guys that fight against big business.
It doesn't matter. The courts side with the people who own the copyright. If you listen to music, they must get paid. Period. Otherwise, make your own music.
Such as......
As for pre-'72 music, does that apply to YouTube streams as well?? If so, you're gonna have a boatload of unhappy users. Thankfully my music collection is already set. I use YouTube to verify original versions of songs I'm unfamiliar with before I purchased them.
It applies to ALL digital platforms including YouTube, Sirius, Pandora, and more.
I was speaking to an artist who has just removed all of his music from YouTube. There will be many more.
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With the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, it does matter.
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