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It's 2015! Time to get rid of the '70s.

One of my favorite album covers in 1972 was the Burgers album, featuring the song, "Keep On Truckin" which, I believe did receive airplay at WJET 1400 here in Erie, PA. But, ARSA only has one 1972 JET survey posted and it was passed the chart run of the song. It's a great album.
 
The law is painfully specific that all of the responsibility is on the user, and they have to document every song played, complete with writers, publishers, and copyright information, and submitted annually. It's possible that the web servers do some of that work, but it's a lot more than is required of anyone else. The cost of normal record-keeping alone should be enough to discourage people. It's my view that the deck was stacked against online radio in an unfair way.
 
oldies76 said:
The radio pros vs. the music fans....been that way for decades! Something to consider getting used to M.L.
Just go with the flow, as they say.
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I've officially made up my mind to put them on ignore. Every time I log in, their posts will be hidden from my view.
 
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Music Lover said:
I've officially made up my mind to put them on ignore. Every time I log in, their posts will be hidden from my view.
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This is like trying to hide the sun with the palm of your hand. The sun is still there and you can not ignore it.

The facts are very simple:

1. No entity is collecting digital artist and label rights for pre-1972 music because that music is "excluded" from the DCMA
2- All streaming and satellite services may be liable for present, future and past payments and, perhaps, even damages depending on how the court cases go.
3- While the rights collection agencies have the right to audit annually, they generally do not do this every year to every streaming entity. The perform them randomly, and it is not "common annual procedure". You interpreted David Oxenford's blog incorrectly. He clearly says that audits are routine, but that only a few entities are picked each year, so there are no annual audits and from the point of view of any one user of copyright user, the audits are occasional and not routine.
4- The procedures are different for the author and composer rights (ASCAP, BMI and SESAC) and for performers and labels (SoundExchange).
5. OTA radio pays authors and composers, but does not currently pay SoundExchange. Legislation would be required for this to change.
6. So far, nobody has developed a model by which streaming pureplays can be profitable. Most experts feel it would take a very significant renegotiation with the copyright regulatory entity and SoundExchange.


In broad terms, the pre-1972 songs are in a gray area. The courts cases can go all the way to the Supremes, but before that happens the existing legislation may be amended. Some streamers may take the defensive move of eliminating all that music to avoid liability. This game is not even near the end of the first quarter.
 
oldies76 said:
The radio pros vs. the music fans....been that way for decades! Something to consider getting used to M.L.
Just go with the flow, as they say.
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But this is not in any way about the radio broadcasters vs. fans.

It is about the legal obligations of streamers to pay SoundExchange and to, occasionally, be audited by an independent auditor they name.

The issue at hand is that pre-72 music is not covered by the DCMA, which handed the regulation to the states... which have no collection agency.

OTA radio has no skin in this game. OTA radio operators who also stream are affected only insofar as their streams are playing pre-72 music.
 
HanSolo said:
Ummm who are those groups, exactly? I've been listening to music for a long time, including a lot from that era, and I think I've vaguely heard of one of those groups, which I think was a "one hit wonder"...well, if nothing else this lawsuit got their names out there 45 years too late. Now if we were talking about Zep, Floyd, the Doors, or another worthy group, that'd be different. Jus' sayin'.
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Welcome to the forum. Bravo for that! 13aplaudir.gif
 
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oldies76 said:
Now all of these will truly become "lost songs", nowhere to be found except in personal music collections. Buy them now while you can! You never know what the future will hold!
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It's probably some grand conspiracy to be a pre-requisite to shoving more Bieber down our throats. To which I say: barf.gif

LOL! Goodnight.
 
eriedj said:
And, Mr. Avid, by the way, I'm 55 and well aware of who Hot Tuna and New Riders Of The Purple Sage are. Obviously, the PD of the station I worked for in West Virginia, the late Bill O'Brien, in 1982 didn't think their music was worth playing either. And, as I recall, the station was consulted by Jessie Bullet, who apparently also felt that neither band was worthy of air play. Oh, that's right, they are suits. Silly me.
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I didn't say that you weren't aware of who they were. But anyone who can say "No great loss" when talking about those bands not getting airplay and exposure has a tin ear. That's not to say that you cannot play the songs you're told to play when you're told to play them, and read a liner card when told to read it. Hell, you might have even been good at following instructions. I was only referring to your comment that reveals a severe lack of musical taste. But then, appreciating good music is not part of a radio professional's required skillset.
 
I went over to AllMusic.com just to see how, for example, the album Burgers from Hot Tuna did. The album peaked at #68, yet yielding no charted singles. In fact, nothing from Hot Tuna charted on the singles chart. For the time frame, I'm sure Progressive Rock stations in the early 70s were spinning those albums, along with groups like Camel, Spirit, Gentle Giant, New Riders Of The Purple Sage etc. As time moves on, those bands don't age well with listeners or you'd hear their tracks on Classic Rock along with Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull and Lynyrd Skynyrd.

That said, I know you can hear the 'forgotten artists" on SiriusXM.
 
My musical tastes range decades. One of my favorite songs right now is Uptown Funk. Yet, you'll also find me cranking Carry On Wayward Son or some 70s soul. Music has been a part of my life for over 40 years.
 
eriedj said:
My musical tastes range decades. One of my favorite songs right now is Uptown Funk. Yet, you'll also find me cranking Carry On Wayward Son or some 70s soul. Music has been a part of my life for over 40 years.
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Same here, except I can tolerate music back to the mid 50's. It's really a chest full of gems and timeless memories. That's what Rock & Roll is all about! And to possibly lose pre 72's......is just wrong, plain and simple!
 
JeffM said:
Congratulations, you are now (or once again) somebody's musical "dad."
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I call it being an old music soul in a young body.

With a few exceptions, many old and current artists I buy are either:

a) On indie labels

or

b) On labels such as Verve or Decca, which specialize in old-school AC.


This girl is one of the current artists I buy who would be considered modern easy listening. http://www.decca.com/artists/mary-jess/
 
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