WHAT AM wants translator on 92.1 ......will crunch WVLT Vineland signal

[broadcastguy]

Another worthless translator for a big city. Ok.

 

[joshzz]

It would be good if the FCC did a complete revitalization of the band and threw out analog altogether and put everyone on the same band in digital. That is possible and it would create a huge market for new radios and boxes to switch current radio to digital.

 

[clouseau]

"...WVLT ...has a 54 dBu signal (the protected contour) that just BARELY hits the Delaware River around Philly."

Actually, as a Class A FM I believe they only have protection to their 60 dbu contour which is about 9 miles short of the river at he closest point.

 

[Neal Newman]

It Seems the people over at WVLT know how to Change the laws of Physics.... at almost 400 feet and 6kw.. They have a Banging signal for a good 4 miles North of the Burlington Bristol Bridge up the Rt 130 Corridor. starts to get spotty around the NJ Turnpike entrance at Rt 130. and then It drops off at the 130-206 split which is another 6 miles. 50 miles from their Vineland tower. WIBG up around the same tower Height and Power level Only has 1/2 to 2/3's the Coverage as WVLT. looking at WVLT's Coverage map. Real signal seems they have Better Coverage than NJ 101.5 at 15.5 kw and 900+ feet Something Tells Me someones Cheating on their Physics exam....

 

[pab]

92.1 actually has better signal propagation than other frequencies because there is next to no interference from lower frequencies. Everything between 92.1 is non-commercial and tends to be lower power. That's why so many cities are seeing applications for translators on 92.1.

 

[davideduardo]

It would be good if the FCC did a complete revitalization of the band and threw out analog altogether and put everyone on the same band in digital. That is possible and it would create a huge market for new radios and boxes to switch current radio to digital.

People already bought new radios. They are multi-function devices called smartphones.

 

[Emartz91]

I live in the radio-locator fringe contour and I have a good signal. 8-12 dBu above noise according to Ccradio 2e. In the car radio it doesn't fade much. This signal over preforms the circles by at least 10-15 miles. A Philly translator would not affect my location unless I drove SW.

 

[pab]

But it will destroy downtown and South Philly, where most of the Cruisin' listener base is located.

 

[davideduardo]

But it will destroy downtown and South Philly, where most of the Cruisin' listener base is located.

WVLT has not met the minimum reporting standards in the Philadelphia metro in the last 8 years.

So, OK, it may not be PPM encoded. If that is the case, it means that WVLT does not care even a tiny bit about Philly or they would have asked Arbitron / Nielsen for an encoder.

Even though Crusin' does have a bit of a signal in the Philadelphia MSA in the southernmost part of Gloucester County and a tidbit in Camden County, it is apparent that listenership in the rest of that market is unimportant to them. And the station has no protection anywhere near South Philadelphia or close to the Schuylkill.

 

[MarioMania]

It would be good if the FCC did a complete revitalization of the band and threw out analog altogether and put everyone on the same band in digital. That is possible and it would create a huge market for new radios and boxes to switch current radio to digital.

That wouldn't work at all, Every Radio before IBOC would be useless

 

[radiodx10]

And WHAT-AM already has 97.1 for FM. Sure it does not cover all of philly, but you can't always get what you want.

If, though, they do get 92.1, I would hope that 97.1 is leased to local original programming. Or here's an idea- WNJC 1360 could have 97.1.

 

[pab]

Even though Crusin' does have a bit of a signal in the Philadelphia MSA in the southernmost part of Gloucester County and a tidbit in Camden County, it is apparent that listenership in the rest of that market is unimportant to them. And the station has no protection anywhere near South Philadelphia or close to the Schuylkill.

Not arguing that the translator shouldn't be granted. It already has. Explaining what will happen once it's built. WVLT is going to have to shift gears fast to target the shore and the rest of its market.

 

[Tylerbreeze]

Not arguing that the translator shouldn't be granted. It already has. Explaining what will happen once it's built. WVLT is going to have to shift gears fast to target the shore and the rest of its market.

You are right about the core of the out of state listener, WVLT is like the South Philly, Center City, oldies station. Most, if not all of their listeners out of their market are from SP and CC, maybe a few from the Wilmington area but thats about it. Again, look how long WNJC has been operating illegally, they were granted 5kw with a strict directional pattern to the SE using the two tall and two short towers day, and less power using the two larger towers at night, with no signal in the Philadelphia area. They were meant to cover the area of the old 1360 in Vineland, which they replaced. Since their launch, they have been using the one strobe tower with 1kw omni, to put a signal into Philadelphia and claim to be a Philly station, nobody disputed this action.

 

[davideduardo]

Not arguing that the translator shouldn't be granted. It already has. Explaining what will happen once it's built. WVLT is going to have to shift gears fast to target the shore and the rest of its market.

If they were targeting Philadelphia, they failed. The station never got even a 0.1 in that market. And, in the event they did not encode for the PPM, the possibility that they did not indicates zero interest in Philadelphia. They are nothing more than a local station for the Vineland area.

 

[davideduardo]

You are right about the core of the out of state listener, WVLT is like the South Philly, Center City, oldies station. Most, if not all of their listeners out of their market are from SP and CC, maybe a few from the Wilmington area but thats about it.

WVLT's 60 dbu signal ends a mile or so north of Glassboro and just a tad more to the northeast of Williamstown. It has no core listenership in South Philly or Center City. It's "core" markets are Milville, Bridgeton and Vineland with very fringe listening in Hammonton. While it has a usable signal in a tidbit of Gloucester County, it is in the far southeast corner, far from the population center of the Philadelphia market (or the Wilmington market, either).

 

[Tylerbreeze]

WVLT's 60 dbu signal ends a mile or so north of Glassboro and just a tad more to the northeast of Williamstown. It has no core listenership in South Philly or Center City. It's "core" markets are Milville, Bridgeton and Vineland with very fringe listening in Hammonton. While it has a usable signal in a tidbit of Gloucester County, it is in the far southeast corner, far from the population center of the Philadelphia market (or the Wilmington market, either).

I live in Center City Philadelphia 4th and Walnut to be exact, WVLT is like a local in my home, in all radios and in the car its super, you can drive around and its there solid, my friend lives in South Philadelphia, 28th and Mifflin to be exact and its the same there like a local. I don't know who makes up the radio locator maps and what they use but its sure not accurate with the signal. If anyone wants to dispute it just come to Philly and give it a try and many people I know in the Philly metro do listen to WVLT and they even have ads for South Philadelphia businesses also. If this new move in does interfere with the signal in these areas it would affect some revenue from the businesses and in this day and age with radio every penny counts to keep afloat.

 

[Tylerbreeze]

You are right about the core of the out of state listener, WVLT is like the South Philly, Center City, oldies station. Most, if not all of their listeners out of their market are from SP and CC, maybe a few from the Wilmington area but thats about it. Again, look how long WNJC has been operating illegally, they were granted 5kw with a strict directional pattern to the SE using the two tall and two short towers day, and less power using the two larger towers at night, with no signal in the Philadelphia area. They were meant to cover the area of the old 1360 in Vineland, which they replaced. Since their launch, they have been using the one strobe tower with 1kw omni, to put a signal into Philadelphia and claim to be a Philly station, nobody disputed this action.

Also, when Mike Vendetti. rest his soul, put them on the air, it was agreed that no signal would enter the Philadelphia city limits, the main signal would be shot down to Vineland to replace the old 1360 void, but it never happened.

 

[davideduardo]

I live in Center City Philadelphia 4th and Walnut to be exact, WVLT is like a local in my home, in all radios and in the car its super, you can drive around and its there solid, my friend lives in South Philadelphia, 28th and Mifflin to be exact and its the same there like a local. I don't know who makes up the radio locator maps and what they use but its sure not accurate with the signal. If anyone wants to dispute it just come to Philly and give it a try and many people I know in the Philly metro do listen to WVLT and they even have ads for South Philadelphia businesses also. If this new move in does interfere with the signal in these areas it would affect some revenue from the businesses and in this day and age with radio every penny counts to keep afloat.

The point is that the FCC protected contour for a Class A FM station is the 60 dbu contour, which I described. WVLT has no expectation of protection from interference outside that area.

The contour I am using is drawn right from the FCC data, adjusted for terrain. And in any case, using the FCC rules a full Class A (6 kw at 100 meters or equivalent) is protected up to 16.2 miles from the transmitter location. ( https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/fm-station-classes ).

Stations in smaller communities often have ads from businesses outside their coverage area because there may be no similar businesses in their local area or the distant business wants to attract a clientele looking for an alternative.

That said, a licensed FM (not a translator) that gets listeners outside its protected contour can be protected by the FCC if listeners (not the station) complain about the loss of a service they use. But otherwise the station has no reason to expect any protection in the areas you describe as they are not licensed to serve.

 

[davideduardo]

Also, when Mike Vendetti. rest his soul, put them on the air, it was agreed that no signal would enter the Philadelphia city limits, the main signal would be shot down to Vineland to replace the old 1360 void, but it never happened.

1360 is a different issue as it is AM.

The station was not licensed to protect Philadelphia. It was licensed to avoid overlap with the protected contours of other stations on 1360. 1370, 1350, 1380 and 1340.

1360 protection includes WPPA in Pottsville in the daytime and at night and a station in Newton, NJ. At night, it protects stations as far away as Green Bay and Cincinnati and other locations. The adjacent and next adjacent channel protections are even more numerous but my point is that stations protect other stations, not maps.

 

[JH_Radio]

I can pull in WVLT from Bensalem with a local signal. however, an outdoor antenna is required. I used to get Thunder 106. Not anymore. I can null the translator at 105.7 to get WCHR-FM.