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Cable systems located in one market that carry another market’s channels in HD

mvcg66b3r said:
Not gonna happen, because they're a relatively new station. And their network programming will be blacked out anyway.
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Right. They even addressed that here, on question 7:

http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Frequently-Asked-Questions-400000031.html

The FCC uses over the air ratings to determine significantly viewed status, and this was a system created over 40 years ago. Obviously over the air viewership is much lower than it was 40+ years ago, so this is not so much of a good way to determine significantly viewed status. NBC Boston operates a low powered station and broadcasts their signal from two other channels, so their over the air range is pretty patchwork. Might need to bump up to an attic antenna to pull them in.

Our best hope is that the FCC allows orphan counties to carry in-state signals on cable.
 
sonicdoommario said:
Right. They even addressed that here, on question 7:

http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/NBC-Boston-Frequently-Asked-Questions-400000031.html

The FCC uses over the air ratings to determine significantly viewed status, and this was a system created over 40 years ago. Obviously over the air viewership is much lower than it was 40+ years ago, so this is not so much of a good way to determine significantly viewed status. NBC Boston operates a low powered station and broadcasts their signal from two other channels, so their over the air range is pretty patchwork. Might need to bump up to an attic antenna to pull them in.

Our best hope is that the FCC allows orphan counties to carry in-state signals on cable.
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In Vermont, the two counties that aren't in the Burlington market carry the Burlington stations on DirecTV. There's also a related example in Mississippi, where two small counties in the southwest corner of the state get the Big Three and PBS from Jackson on DirecTV despite the counties being in the Baton Rouge DMA
 
ftballfan said:
In Vermont, the two counties that aren't in the Burlington market carry the Burlington stations on DirecTV.
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That was due to a law signed in the Vermont House or Senate (forget which one) forcing satellite to give VT subs both VT locals and their "nielsen defined" locals

Its the same with WMUR 9 (Manchester, NH). On all pay platforms WMUR is carried to all NH residents regardless of DMA. (right now WMUR is off of Directv due to the Hearst dispoute) ;)
 
unclehonkey said:
That was due to a law signed in the Vermont House or Senate (forget which one) forcing satellite to give VT subs both VT locals and their "nielsen defined" locals

Its the same with WMUR 9 (Manchester, NH). On all pay platforms WMUR is carried to all NH residents regardless of DMA. (right now WMUR is off of Directv due to the Hearst dispoute) ;)
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You can do that through state law? I thought for sure that'd be something that would have to be done federally. Is this only for satellite or cable?

Could Massachusetts enact something like this as well?
 
That is one of those "quirk" areas
They are classified as the Mpls DMA only because 20 miles away is a translator system for the stations
One county East is Mankato and one county west is Sioux Falls

In that area of the state regardless of DMA the cable companies carry KEYC because they (being the only station in the area) cover events and news there. Minneapolis and Sioux Falls dont unless its major
 
ftballfan said:
This one may be listed up in this thread, but the lineup may have changed since then.
WindomNet Windom, MN (Cottonwood County - Minneapolis-St. Paul DMA): http://www.windomnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Windomnet-Channel-Lineup.pdf
Carries CBS Mankato, the Big Three from Sioux Falls (NBC Sioux Falls is HD only!), and KWCM/KSMN in HD alongside the Big Four, CW, MNT, and KSTC from the Twin Cities. SD adds KTCA and FOX from both Mankato and Sioux Falls.
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unclehonkey said:
That is one of those "quirk" areas
They are classified as the Mpls DMA only because 20 miles away is a translator system for the stations
One county East is Mankato and one county west is Sioux Falls

In that area of the state regardless of DMA the cable companies carry KEYC because they (being the only station in the area) cover events and news there. Minneapolis and Sioux Falls dont unless its major
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Unless the lineup has indeed changed, or it's an error, if you look closely at that lineup, there are two channels listed for 96, 97, and 99:

96: Oxygen and KSFY-HD
97: CNBC and KEYC-HD
99: QVC and KDLT-HD

Unless the HD feeds and subchannels have QAM channel numbers (e.g., maybe Oxygen is 96-1 while KSFY-HD is 96-2; CNBC 97-1 and KEYC 97-2, etc.).
 
Tim from Springfield said:
Unless the lineup has indeed changed, or it's an error, if you look closely at that lineup, there are two channels listed for 96, 97, and 99:

96: Oxygen and KSFY-HD
97: CNBC and KEYC-HD
99: QVC and KDLT-HD

Unless the HD feeds and subchannels have QAM channel numbers (e.g., maybe Oxygen is 96-1 while KSFY-HD is 96-2; CNBC 97-1 and KEYC 97-2, etc.).
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If you notice that in the digital platform those 3 are different numbers
Oxygen-117
QVC-138
CNBC-440 and HD only

So it looks like if you dont have a box hooked up then you would get the 3 SD stations. Digital box will put those 3 stations elsewhere.

Looking at zap2it they show the 3 HD stations on 96,97,99 and not the cable stations
 
sonicdoommario said:
You can do that through state law? I thought for sure that'd be something that would have to be done federally. Is this only for satellite or cable?

Could Massachusetts enact something like this as well?
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I stand corrected. It was done by Vermont Lawmakers in Congress when they renewed STELA
http://www.benningtonbanner.com/stories/dish-now-provides-vt-stations,95218

Some DISH Network customers expected to watch the New England Patriots season-opener earlier this season before realizing the game was broadcast on a Vermont CBS affiliate not offered by DISH. But such disappointments are a thing of the past, now that residents of Bennington and Windham counties are now able to receive in-state local channels out of Burlington at no additional cost.

The change was prompted by legislation authored by U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., though the Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act passed by Congress earlier this year.

"Vermonters throughout the state should be able to receive local programming available on Vermont stations, regardless of their television provider. With this announcement today, more Vermonters will now have access to these stations," Leahy said.
 
unclehonkey said:
That is one of those "quirk" areas
They are classified as the Mpls DMA only because 20 miles away is a translator system for the stations
One county East is Mankato and one county west is Sioux Falls

In that area of the state regardless of DMA the cable companies carry KEYC because they (being the only station in the area) cover events and news there. Minneapolis and Sioux Falls dont unless its major
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Windom would likely have been in the Mankato DMA if it had more stations IMO
 
ftballfan said:
Windom would likely have been in the Mankato DMA if it had more stations IMO
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I don't know. The CTV translator setup (owned by the rural co-ops around there) have been around for 25 years and they have carried Minneapolis stations the whole time. Windom is 20 miles from the Jackson towers and 30 from the Godahl (St James) towers. What is interesting is Godahl is in Brown county which is the Mankato DMA. The 3 cities where the towers are (Frost being the other) all surround the Mankato market.

If Mankato possibly had more than just CBS back in the day it might have been done.
 
TWC Spectrum Pittsfield, MA (Berkshire County - Albany DMA) carries PBS Springfield in HD alongside the Albany locals. SD adds CBS and NBC Springfield and ABC Boston: https://www.timewarnercable.com/content/admin/CLU/lineups/ALB/alb-1171.print.twc.01201.html

The same applies to TWC Spectrum's system in nearby North Adams, except CBS Boston is carried instead of CBS Springfield: https://www.timewarnercable.com/content/admin/CLU/lineups/ALB/alb-1194.print.twc.01247.html

TWC Spectrum Oneonta, NY (Otsego County - Utica DMA) carries FOX Binghamton in HD alongside the Utica locals. SD adds CBS Albany and PBS Syracuse: https://www.timewarnercable.com/content/admin/CLU/lineups/BNG/bng-234.print.twc.13820.html
 
Odd that the Pittsfield system doesn't carry WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 of Springfield. As for in-market ABC, I guess they could carry WCDC-TV channel 19 from Adams, MA if the connection with WTEN-TV fails. :confused:
 
KML-224 said:
Odd that the Pittsfield system doesn't carry WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 of Springfield. As for in-market ABC, I guess they could carry WCDC-TV channel 19 from Adams, MA if the connection with WTEN-TV fails. :confused:
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For Pittsfield, I bet the Boston stations have been there since Day One and remain on the system (at least partially) because it gives that area state news (Berkshire County is considered an "orphan" county). I'm also guessing Pittsfield used to have WFSB prior to Meredith signing on WSHM (which is a semi-satellite of WFSB; WFSB was the longtime CBS affiliate for Springfield in addition to Hartford)
 
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