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Cable systems located in one market that carry another market’s channels in HD

kramie13 said:
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Grafton and Sullivan county, NH get WENH (and WMUR) on satellite, alongside the Burlington stations. When I stayed in Hebron this past weekend, I was watching some DVR'd programs through my YouTube TV subscription, which in that area only carries the Burlington CBS/ABC/NBC/FOX stations (and surprisingly, Telemundo Boston).
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WENH has a full-power satellite in Littleton, NH, which is in the Burlington DMA
 
ftballfan said:
WENH has a full-power satellite in Littleton, NH, which is in the Burlington DMA
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but since it is considered a satellite Dish/Directv are not obligated to carry it UNLESS its licensed to a different state. But the rules for PBS are different than other stations if I recall.
 
WheelRob said:
I have Xfinity in Danbury, Connecticut, which as with the rest of Fairfield County, is considered part of the NYC market.

We get all the NYC affiliates in HD, but Xfinity also carries half the affiliates of the Hartford/New Haven market, all in SD. We get WFSB (CBS), WVIT (NBC), and WCCT (CW). We do not get WTIC (FOX) or WCTX (MyTV). They did carry WTNH (ABC) at first, but removed it about 2-3 years ago. They recently filled the void left by its channel 8 slot with NYC's MeTV affiliate.

In terms of PBS, we get WNET New York and WEDH Hartford (which is HD unlike the other CT networks). For the 24-hour PBS Kids subchannel, we only get the one from WNET, which I believe implements a few schedule changes independently. We do not get New York's other PBS affiliate WLIW.
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My Xfinity has recently dropped WCCT (Hartford/New Haven CW).
 
Monticello, NY is part of the NYC market, but the area's only cable provider, Spectrum, also carries Wilkes-Barre NBC affiliate WBRE 28 on channel 8, in addition to WNBC 4.

Port Jervis, NY, which is right where New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania meet, also has Spectrum, but channel 8 in that area goes to Wilkes-Barre CBS affiliate WYOU 22. Cablevision in that area gives channel 8 to New Jersey's PBS station NJTV to compliment WNET 13 from NYC, and Frontier Fios doesn't use 8 for anything at all.

Cross over the line to PA and you're in Milford, and you get a couple more options for TV providers, according to Zap2It. Blue Ridge Cable provides the NYC affiliates, with the only Wilkes-Barre station available being FOX affiliate WOLF 56 on channel 12. Cablevision has the same lineup as the Port Jervis area in NY, and the Fios provider for the area is Verizon, which instead carries all the Philadelphia affiliates, and none from NYC or Wilkes-Barre. In addition, Verizon Fios carries Allentown indie WFMZ 69 on channel 15, and two neighboring PBS affiliates in addition to Philly's WHYY: WLVT Allentown and NJTV New Jersey.

Only about 20 miles west of Milford in the Hawley, PA area does Blue Ridge Cable carry all the Wilkes-Barre affiliates, plus two from NYC: WABC 7 and WWOR 9 (MyTV), and it even carries WPVI 6, ABC Philly, on channel 16.

In the same area of PA, the family-owned Adams Cable Service carries all affiliates out of both Wilkes-Barre and Binghamton, NY.
 
As far as I know, Pike County, PA is the edge of the New York City DMA. It's where you enter PA on I-84 from NY, just missing NJ by half a mile or less. I'm guessing it's due to viewer habits. I first thought they were in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre DMA. I still remember the one time a friend and I stayed at a hotel in Wyomissing, PA (Berks County, immediately west of Reading). That was back in 2011. The cable carried all of the Philadelphia/Wilmington stations, plus NBC, PBS and FOX from Lancaster, Harrisburg and York, respectively. I think they were in HD, too.

What was odd? While on the road heading into Reading, I swore I saw a sponsored ad somewhere with an old WGAL-TV logo on it. Granted, we were somewhere in Berks County, PA.
 
KML-224 said:
What was odd? While on the road heading into Reading, I swore I saw a sponsored ad somewhere with an old WGAL-TV logo on it. Granted, we were somewhere in Berks County, PA.
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Those WGAL blue "Welcome to [WHEREVER]" signs are everywhere in central PA, often quite far outside the boundaries of what's now the Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York DMA.
 
Mediacom Andalusia, AL (Covington County - Montgomery DMA) carries ABC Pensacola and CBS Dothan in HD alongside the Montgomery locals: https://mediacomtoday-lineup.com/lineup/566/andalusia_antioch_babbie_carolina_covington_co.aspx

Charter Spectrum Florala, AL (Covington County - Montgomery DMA) is all over the place in what locals they carry. They carry ABC and NBC Montgomery, FOX and NBC Panama City, Alabama's statewide PBS network, and CBS Dothan all in HD (CW is SD only from Dothan): https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/api/p...19-11-03T02:00Z&dstOffset=-300&stdOffset=-360

Troy Cablevision Elba, AL (Coffee County - Dothan DMA) carries the Big Four and CW Montgomery and NBC Panama City in HD alongside the Dothan locals: https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/api/p...19-11-03T02:00Z&dstOffset=-300&stdOffset=-360

Mediacom Bainbridge/Donalsonville, GA (Decatur and Seminole counties - both Tallahassee DMA) carries NBC Albany and GPB in HD alongside the Tallahassee locals (including WFSU; side note: Seminole County GA is one of those counties that switched markets between Dothan and Panama City before settling in the Tallahassee market): https://mediacomtoday-lineup.com/lineup/113/bainbridge_decatur_county_donalsonville_and_semino.aspx

Mediacom Hahira, GA (Lowndes County - Tallahassee DMA) carries NBC Albany and GPB in HD alongside the Tallahassee locals (however, Tallahassee's primary PBS member, WFSU, is not carried at all): https://mediacomtoday-lineup.com/lineup/130/brooks_county_hahira_lowndes_county_and_remerton_.aspx
 
WheelRob said:
Port Jervis, NY, which is right where New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania meet, also has Spectrum, but channel 8 in that area goes to Wilkes-Barre CBS affiliate WYOU 22. Cablevision in that area gives channel 8 to New Jersey's PBS station NJTV to compliment WNET 13 from NYC, and Frontier Fios doesn't use 8 for anything at all.

Cross over the line to PA and you're in Milford, and you get a couple more options for TV providers, according to Zap2It. Blue Ridge Cable provides the NYC affiliates, with the only Wilkes-Barre station available being FOX affiliate WOLF 56 on channel 12. Cablevision has the same lineup as the Port Jervis area in NY, and the Fios provider for the area is Verizon, which instead carries all the Philadelphia affiliates, and none from NYC or Wilkes-Barre. In addition, Verizon Fios carries Allentown indie WFMZ 69 on channel 15, and two neighboring PBS affiliates in addition to Philly's WHYY: WLVT Allentown and NJTV New Jersey.
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-Spectrum in both Monticello and Port Jervis carry WBNG (CBS) from Binghamton and both WNYA (MyTV) and WCWN (CW) from Albany alongside the NYC Big 4. For some reason, they do NOT carry WPIX there despite being the NYC television market. Optimum is NOT available in Port Jervis, just Spectrum.
-Milford, PA is exclusively Blue Ridge Cable. That system carries WNEP (ABC) and WOLF (FOX) from Scranton alongside the NYC major stations. But for HD signals, WNEP is available HD while WABC is only in SD. It's flip-flopped for FOX, with WNYW in HD but WOLF only available in SD.
-Matamorras, PA (right on the other side of the Delaware River from Port Jervis) is exclusively Optimum. That system only carries NYC stations.

I find it odd that 3 communities within 10 miles of each other have 3 different cable providers.
 
kramie13 said:
-Spectrum in both Monticello and Port Jervis carry WBNG (CBS) from Binghamton and both WNYA (MyTV) and WCWN (CW) from Albany alongside the NYC Big 4. For some reason, they do NOT carry WPIX there despite being the NYC television market. Optimum is NOT available in Port Jervis, just Spectrum.
-Milford, PA is exclusively Blue Ridge Cable. That system carries WNEP (ABC) and WOLF (FOX) from Scranton alongside the NYC major stations. But for HD signals, WNEP is available HD while WABC is only in SD. It's flip-flopped for FOX, with WNYW in HD but WOLF only available in SD.
-Matamorras, PA (right on the other side of the Delaware River from Port Jervis) is exclusively Optimum. That system only carries NYC stations.

I find it odd that 3 communities within 10 miles of each other have 3 different cable providers.
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Three communities close to each other with three different cable providers used to be fairly common in the 1980s and 1990s
 
Benton County Cablevision Canton, TN (Benton County - Nashville DMA) carries the following, all in HD:
ABC, CBS, FOX, ION, MNT, NBC, PBS Nashville
ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS Jackson
Plus subchannels from both markets. Oddly, no CW at all! Full lineup, which is all digital and mostly HD: http://www.bentoncable.com/channel-line-up/

Charter Spectrum Paris, TN (Henry County - Nashville DMA) carries ABC, CBS, and PBS Jackson in HD alongside most Nashville locals. However, Nashville's PBS is not seen at all. SD adds NBC and PBS Paducah: https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/api/p...19-11-03T02:00Z&dstOffset=-300&stdOffset=-360
 
Northern Iowa Communications Partners based in Estherville, IA (Emmet County - Sioux City DMA) and serving several small towns in nearby Iowa counties carries the following in HD:
ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, NBC Sioux City
CBS, FOX Mankato (Emmet County would likely have been in the Mankato market if there were another full-power station in the market; Estherville falls within KEYC's service contour)
CBS Mason City
ABC, CW, FOX, ION, NBC, TCT Des Moines
Iowa Public Television

SD adds CBS Des Moines and most subchannels of all the above stations: http://nicpnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/NICP_Channel_Lineup_6.28.pdf
 
ftballfan said:
CBS, FOX Mankato (Emmet County would likely have been in the Mankato market if there were another full-power station in the market; Estherville falls within KEYC's service contour)
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I think at one point it was but hasnt been in at least 10 years (going off my foggy memory)
 
WheelRob said:
I have Xfinity in Danbury, Connecticut, which as with the rest of Fairfield County, is considered part of the NYC market.

We get all the NYC affiliates in HD, but Xfinity also carries half the affiliates of the Hartford/New Haven market, all in SD. We get WFSB (CBS), WVIT (NBC), and WCCT (CW). We do not get WTIC (FOX) or WCTX (MyTV). They did carry WTNH (ABC) at first, but removed it about 2-3 years ago. They recently filled the void left by its channel 8 slot with NYC's MeTV affiliate.

In terms of PBS, we get WNET New York and WEDH Hartford (which is HD unlike the other CT networks). For the 24-hour PBS Kids subchannel, we only get the one from WNET, which I believe implements a few schedule changes independently. We do not get New York's other PBS affiliate WLIW.
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We do now. It's now on my Xfinity lineup on channel 21, along with WNET on 13, and CPTV on 24.
 
You said you still get WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford. Is it actually their WFSB-Fairfield County channel (channel 3-4 over-the-air)? If so, does network programming get blacked out?
 
KML-224 said:
You said you still get WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford. Is it actually their WFSB-Fairfield County channel (channel 3-4 over-the-air)? If so, does network programming get blacked out?
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Network programming does not get blacked out. I once caught The Price is Right on Channel 3 just fine, just that it was in SD. WVIT does not black out NBC programming in my area, either.
 
I would think that the cable company would be doing the blacking out, not the local station. Also, I'd think that most, if not all, of the syndicated programming on WVIT-TV would match WNBC-TV, since they're both NBC O&O stations.
 
MIcom White Cloud/Hesperia, MI (Newaygo County - Grand Rapids DMA) carries ABC (WZZM), FOX, ION, NBC, PBS, and WTLJ Grand Rapids in HD alongside CBS, FOX, and NBC Traverse City/Cadillac. It also serves Baldwin in Lake County (Traverse City/Cadillac DMA). It also carries most subchannels from Grand Rapids.
https://micomcable.com/customers/channel-lineups/baldwin/
https://micomcable.com/customers/channel-lineups/white-cloud/
https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/api/p...19-11-03T02:00Z&dstOffset=-240&stdOffset=-300
Zap2it lists MeTV (WLLA-DT2), CW (WWMT-DT2), and Comet (WWMT-DT3) coming from WLLA and WWMT, which are not carried. However, the Traverse City/Cadillac stations that are carried have those among their subchannel lineup (MeTV is WWTV-DT3, CW is WFQX-DT2, Comet is WPBN-DT3)
 
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