Fox Burning Through Last Man Standing Intentionally?

[landtuna]

How much was Tim Allen making?

TBBT was not a cheap show either.

Countryliving.com says "According to Celebrity Net Worth, Allen's current net worth is $80 million, and he pulls in a none-too-shabby salary of $235,000 per episode for Last Man Standing. It's not totally clear whether that figure reflects the show's days on ABC, or whether it's been updated since the Fox deal was made, but it's likely that he's still making around that number."

TBBT was exponentially more expensive in actor salaries than LMS although the producers of TBBT are now raking it in on reruns as are the actors).

 

[landtuna]

The fact that they were paying a competitor for the show is more of an issue. Read post 11. Disney prefers the money to stay within the family.

I think that is much closer to the truth as well. ABC seems to have wrecked their own show. Pathetic suits!

Somehow I don't think Fox will make out with the show either.

Oh, what it could have been!

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

It wasn’t a terribly demo friendly program, and they weren’t going to make the big bucks on the syndication deal. It’s simple business—not “wrecking” anything. There’s a full economic ecosystem, and if the calculation is that program isn’t going to give you the ROI you’re looking for, you part ways and move on.

Modern Family is a Fox show dating to before the Disney acquisition. They kept that because the economics were good even not owning it. The Goldbergs from Sony. What is that on, six or seven seasons now? The Middle was Warner Brothers.

Contrary to this bizarre notion, Last Man Standing was not some breakout hit. It was a nice little performer, but if the business doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

How much was Tim Allen making?

TBBT was not a cheap show either.

the anti-Obamacare crowd was whining about a large corporation marking a business decision, the free market at work

 

[nomadcowatbk]

It wasn’t a terribly demo friendly program, and they weren’t going to make the big bucks on the syndication deal. It’s simple business—not “wrecking” anything. There’s a full economic ecosystem, and if the calculation is that program isn’t going to give you the ROI you’re looking for, you part ways and move on.

Modern Family is a Fox show dating to before the Disney acquisition. They kept that because the economics were good even not owning it. The Goldbergs from Sony. What is that on, six or seven seasons now? The Middle was Warner Brothers.

Contrary to this bizarre notion, Last Man Standing was not some breakout hit. It was a nice little performer, but if the business doesn’t work, it doesn’t work.

it was the highest rated show on a night with low viewership

 

[Don CT]

I tried the show before and after ABC aired it. I could not get passed the over used laugh track and the jokes that usually missed. The Characters were too goofy and poorly written.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

it was the highest rated show on a night with low viewership

That doesn’t make it a hit nor a good economic scenario.

 

[landtuna]

it was the highest rated show on a night with low viewership

Yes, another point I was about to make. ABC did LMS no favors by placing it on 'dead' Friday evenings. That seems to me like shooting yourself in the foot. Home Improvement, IIRC, was a Tuesday night product and hit enormous numbers. Why wouldn't ABC try the same with LMS? Seems like deliberate sabotage.

 

[landtuna]

I tried the show before and after ABC aired it. I could not get passed the over used laugh track and the jokes that usually missed. The Characters were too goofy and poorly written.

Agreed the laugh track is/was very irritating.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Yes, another point I was about to make. ABC did LMS no favors by placing it on 'dead' Friday evenings.

Yeah. What a shame CBS is treating "Hawaii Five-0", "Magnum P.I." and "Blue Bloods" this way.

 

[davideduardo]

Yeah. What a shame CBS is treating "Hawaii Five-0", "Magnum P.I." and "Blue Bloods" this way.

Those shows are put on Friday in order to win the night; Friday viewing is much more solid with older demos and those shows all lean quite old. So Friday is the best place for them.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Yes, another point I was about to make. ABC did LMS no favors by placing it on 'dead' Friday evenings. That seems to me like shooting yourself in the foot. Home Improvement, IIRC, was a Tuesday night product and hit enormous numbers. Why wouldn't ABC try the same with LMS? Seems like deliberate sabotage.

Nonsense. The networks have schedules to fill. Something is going to go on Friday night. That’s the business.

Sabotage? Spare me.

 

[TheBigA]

Yes, another point I was about to make. ABC did LMS no favors by placing it on 'dead' Friday evenings. That seems to me like shooting yourself in the foot. Home Improvement, IIRC, was a Tuesday night product and hit enormous numbers. Why wouldn't ABC try the same with LMS? Seems like deliberate sabotage.

Yet when the show moved to Fox 2 years ago, they kept it on Friday night at 8PM. Why would they "sabotage" their own show?

 

[anotherguyTN]

Nonsense. The networks have schedules to fill. Something is going to go on Friday night. That’s the business.

Sabotage? Spare me.

I don't mean this as any kind of conspiracy theory, but the networks have put shows whose ratings are slipping and/or they have no interest in continuing into dead end time slots for years. It's nothing new.

 

[TheBigA]

I don't mean this as any kind of conspiracy theory, but the networks have put shows whose ratings are slipping and/or they have no interest in continuing into dead end time slots for years. It's nothing new.

By the same token, we've been talking about how TV usage is changing from real time viewing to delayed viewing. Over 50% of TV viewing is via DVR. Real time scheduling is becoming less important, especially with a mature show that has already developed its audience. They know it exists, they'll seek it out, and either watch it, or record it for delayed viewing.

 

[nomadcowatbk]

Yeah. What a shame CBS is treating "Hawaii Five-0", "Magnum P.I." and "Blue Bloods" this way.

same way NBC treated "Freaks and Geeks"

 

[Megatron]

LMS had a full 22 EP's so Fox decided to air them back to back to fill time until the new sitcom makes it's debut Jan 24.

 

[umfan]

Yeah. What a shame CBS is treating "Hawaii Five-0", "Magnum P.I." and "Blue Bloods" this way.

Actually, Friday was probably the best night for LMS as it anchored ABC trying to recapture the 'TGIF' success it previously had. Fox has a lot of fixed commitments on its schedule. It added LMS back because it owned the show and it had a sizable and dedicated fan base. I think the way Fox is presenting LMS has more to do with finding a way to fit it the production run. The season premiere landed in the Top 20. HF0 and Blue Bloods, which have always been on Friday and are perennial Top 20 shows with many seasons, are not being treated badly by CBS. If they were, how would they still be thriving after almost TEN years on the air?!?

LMS may find a niche as a mid-season replacement for Fox after Thursday Night Football is done and before shows like 'Masked Singer' start. Ironically, though, now that Disney owns the show it may make a jump back to ABC. Either way, I think Fox has promoted the show in a way to both fit its schedule and to try to draw in viewers. i don't think they're undermining the show intentionally simply because they no longer own it.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

For what it’s worth, Hawaii Five O started (this incarnation) on Monday nights.

 

[vchimpanzee]

HF0 and Blue Bloods, which have always been on Friday and are perennial Top 20 shows with many seasons, are not being treated badly by CBS. If they were, how would they still be thriving after almost TEN years on the air?!?

I was making the point Friday shows can still be popular.