Its not gonna happen regardless so its kind of a mute point.
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Is KRDC 1110 am los angeles shutting down on the 22nd?
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Tried checking this today to check the status of 1110 am and the site didnt connect i tried on multiple devices. Could you check to see if its working on your end?
It’s on the air until they sell it. To follow any of that activity, follow the FCC website.
Sale documents (When they file to sell the station) will go in the Public File here:
Any extended period of silence will be put here:
and possibly here:
This is all protocol. Assume it is on the air if you do not see any applications here. They cannot turn the station off with the intention of leaving it off for an extended period without first filing a notice of Suspension of Operations with the FCC. You will see that placed in the Public File.
If they apply to sell the station, it can take months before consumation by the new owner (Which is also filed with the FCC) Any extended period of silence between owners will also be filed, usually in the form of a Silent STA. They need to notify the FCC if they have been off the air more than 10 days. You will see that in one of the above links if they do.
ABC-Disney’s protocol is usually find a buyer first, and shut off the station as they prepare to turn the station over to it’s new owner. The silent period can begin weeks or months after the initial application for transfer of control.
They could also LMA it and not turn it off at all, however this is rare for them.
Sale documents (When they file to sell the station) will go in the Public File here:
Any extended period of silence will be put here:
and possibly here:
This is all protocol. Assume it is on the air if you do not see any applications here. They cannot turn the station off with the intention of leaving it off for an extended period without first filing a notice of Suspension of Operations with the FCC. You will see that placed in the Public File.
If they apply to sell the station, it can take months before consumation by the new owner (Which is also filed with the FCC) Any extended period of silence between owners will also be filed, usually in the form of a Silent STA. They need to notify the FCC if they have been off the air more than 10 days. You will see that in one of the above links if they do.
ABC-Disney’s protocol is usually find a buyer first, and shut off the station as they prepare to turn the station over to it’s new owner. The silent period can begin weeks or months after the initial application for transfer of control.
They could also LMA it and not turn it off at all, however this is rare for them.
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KRDC flipped to 710 kspn espn radio simulcast on April 14th but I’m wondering if it hasn’t been sold why wouldn’t they have just kept the old radio Disney going until it changed ownership like they originally announced they were doing. If it has been sold why wouldn’t they do more of a ceremonial transition from radio Disney to whatever the new format would be like what klsx 97.1 did when they changed from talk to chr or what wplj did when they went from from chr to Klove. Krdc has as much history with radio Disney and Los Angeles if not more than 97.1 klsx did with Los Angeles which ended with much more fanfare and bravado. What is everyone’s thoughts on this? Thank you.
No sale has been reported. This is likely Disney choosing the easiest and least expensive way to run 1110 until such time as there's a sale of either it or 710. There's no upside to continuing with a format that Disney wants to move on from. Simulcasting 710 is as simple as changing a legal ID to add KRDC.
Some have suggested that Disney will watch and see if 1110 or 710 does better in the ratings over the next few months and might make the decision to sell off 710, which will have a weaker signal after its upcoming transmitter move, and continue ESPN on 1110.
Ceremonial transitions have less to do with history as they do with whether anyone's listening. In 1110's case, there's no real upside to making a big deal over a simulcast of KSPN.
I think there have been many people who have inquired about the final hour of radio Disney on 1110. Mostly because radio Disney meant a lot to people including myself. I think if they would have announced a time and date of the flip and put together a final send off it would have gone down into radio history as one of the most important radio format changes and historic. Almost nobody that I know of was recording when the format changed because nothing was announced of the change like what time it was happening. Knowing Disney they usually care about their history and them just flipping to a ESPN simulcast wothout a proper send off is really a disservice to the greatness of what was radio Disney.
Why do you think they needed a "sendoff"? In practical terms, nobody was listening and the last format was country based and it never had more than a few hundred listeners at a given time.
That is because you are a radio follower, enough so to have brought you to this website. Nobody else cared. Particularly with the "new" Disney Country format.
History is filled with tens of thousands of failed, dead, unlistened-to radio formats and stations. Usually, those dead formats are cut off and a new one begun in an attempt to make the station successful.
Years ago, I cut off the most listened to FM in a Top 20 market. We waited two hours with the transmitter turned off, and then started a new format. The old one was Beautiful Music, the new one was the equivalent of country. For the next two days, we could not stop the calls, most insulting with things like "ten of your new listeners make less than I do..." and similar remarks. The old format had a 3 share in a 30 station market; the new format debuted after 21 days with a 27.5 share.
In this case, the history was an embarrassment and the dreadful Disney Country format included an episode with illegal operation of a translator that was stopped by the FCC. The whole thing and its recent years is worth forgetting.
I remember seeing a Radio Disney remote in Burbank, CA, when Radio Disney was only a few years old... there were 3 Disney employees, a bunch of games and prizes, and nobody stopped at their boot at the store's entrance.
It used to pop right in on the freeway, just like the proverbial "horseradish"! I assumed it came in everywhere! Has something changed? It's not like the situation with AM.
I think they needed a send off not for the people who were listening on the am dial at the time which probably would’ve only been around 5-10 thousand people but for what radio Disney represented to lots of people and Disney being a company that cares about their history a lot look at the Disney archives alone millions of dollars a year are put into upkeep of all the memorabilia in the temperature controlled Disney vault. When people recorded the send off as they would have it would have been an addition to Disneys history and something that would have been meaningful to lots of people who cared about radio Disney and it’s history that’s all I’m saying.
Try a few hundred, if that. 10,000 would be around a 1.7 share. Radio Disney had zero AQH listeners, zero share, zero rating, zero cume for the last 13 books I looked at.
I'll bet nobody in Disney today thinks that Radio Disney is anything but a mistake and deserves to be forgotten.
I think you are exaggerating the following and significance of Radio Disney.
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You are forgetting how many peoples careers were launched in large part due to radio Disney nick and Aaron carter most notably but also the Jonas brothers jump 5 and lots of others I understand you didn’t grow up with it like I did but it did play a big role in disneys history and it’s something I think they are very proud of and a very important part of their brand and history.
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Sounds like a good sendoff for a jockless temporary format on a standalone AM signal honestly. Some stations don’t even get anything close to Unwritten by Natasha Bedingfield. Often times stations just get the plug pulled after whatever song was playing.
It’s former sister network Timeless Favorites (ABC Stardust) went off into the night with Kind Of A Drag by The Buckinghams which was appropriate.
It's probably true that "nobody in Disney" probably cares or cared about Radio Disney, as they apparently determined that radio was not a useful or viable medium when they got rid of the AMs in 2015-2016. After that, their pro-streaming PR releases notwithstanding, they had given radio the boot.
However, I don't think that eliminates Radio Disney's significance when it comes to radio professionals and enthusiasts.
There have been various articles in the media about RDs rise and demise, as well as numerous threads here and on other radio-related forums and social media about RD, and although RD didn't "save AM radio" the way Rush Limbaugh's show is touted to have done, RD had an impact -- they actually attempted to use Radio in general, and AM radio specifically, to make a commercial children's radio network work, and somehow they succeeded in doing that to the extent that they kept it going for roughly 20 years. For a corporation to keep a network running for two entire decades there must have been some sort of ROI to make it worthwhile.
They also apparently proved with RD that online radio is not an answer-all and be-all, as their cheap to operate online stream apparently did not garner any more of a significant number of listeners than their AM stations did. This was despite the fact that their overall revenues were higher in 2020 than they were during most of the years before the pandemic hit, showing that their decision to give the online stream the boot was based more on other concerns than revenue issues alone.
Does that mean there should have been an end of the format extravaganza, or particular send off then the music was pulled from KRDC? I can't answer that. To me the send off would have been more appropriate when they shut down the stream. Or when they shut down the HD2s, or the AMs. We all saw this coming. And it's done.
Having lived many years in Burbank just blocks from the main Disney facilities and, thus, having neighbors and friends who worked there, I'm aware that Disney expected more from the radio operation. When they saw that it would not be a profit center, they thought it would be a brand extension that promoted other Disney activities and the Disney name itself.
When it became obvious that "nobody" listened, it started a gradual decline. The value of the name enhancement was deemed adequate to support the minimal expenses to sustain the network.
They did manage to be an influence on Arbitron by extending PPM measurement to 6+ instead of 12+, although that was, in part, due to the initial PPM alliance with Nielsen.
It depends. When they launched the first Radio Disney in the 90s, the company was heavily invested in radio, and the division was very profitable. The mistake was Radio Disney Country, which is what was on 1110. They spent TONS of money on Radio Disney Country. Money on talent, money on programming, money on promotion, and institutional money to get them in front of the major decision makers in country music. THAT was a mistake, and deserves to be forgotten.
The funny part is that by the time they started Radio Disney Country, they had already sold all of the stations. So how were they expecting anyone to listen? Online?
About ten years ago, a friend of mine at Disney explained it this way: Disney is in the content business. Not the towers and transmitters business. At some point, the TV stations will go the way of the radio stations. They like radio, just not radio transmission. So if they can get someone else to own the stations, they'll gladly provide content.
Even early on Disney folk realized that Radio Disney would not be another ESPN. It did not attract the kind of advertisers they thought would be attracted to the magnetism of the name itself. Mostly, that was because advertising for youth had moved on decades before and youth products did not include production for radio and budgets for time buys in their budgets, ever.
They spent "so much" on Country that they hired a manager that knew so little about radio that they put their FM translator on the air illegally, without a CP and without the antenna it needed to be in compliance.
That very much mirrors the explanations I got. The real issue is that Disney does some things as "brand enhancements" that are never intended to be profit centers. But as time went by, they learned that there was not even enough ad revenue to support most of the cost, and, more than that, there was practically no audience.
There was a big "last resort" hope that the PPM with added 6 to 11 demo, might show large audiences. It did not. That was when the gong sounded and it was downhill from there.
The world is filled with highly paid people who don't know what they're doing. In every business.
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