KRTY-FM Los Gatos has been sold

[davideduardo]

City population totals are meaningless.

And that is why Arbitron and, later, Nielsen, divide survey areas only by county.

Even in the case of certain counties that are too big (Riverside and San Berdoo in CA) or very split signal wise (Fairfield, CT) counties are split based on radio geography and ZIP codes, not city limits.

 

[Signal Geek]

How about KSJO/Bolly 92.3 for a potential flip to Country? I can't imagine that the Bollywood format is making a ton of money, but perhaps I am wrong.

KSJO/92.3 already tried Nash Country a few years back.

 

[semoochie]

The formula for a radio market is based on counties, and then where the majority of listening goes. So a country like Nassau in New York State is given to the NYC market as more than half the local listening when went to NYC stations when the market was drawn up.

If a county has reduced listening to the market it is in's stations, it can be dropped. This happens with Houston quite a bit with the farther out counties. More difficult is when markets are adjacent...

Case in point: Miami and Ft Lauderdale. Up until 1982, they were separate markets of Dade and Broward Counties. Then the managers of the stations in both markets voted to consolidate or not, per Arbitron policy at the time. All the FM managers voted to merge and all the AM managers voted to stay separate. The FMs won.

Nope. The SF market has been all the way from Santa Rosa to San Jose "forever" in Arbitron based on listening levels. And San Jose and Santa Rosa had embedded markets, too. Then the San Jose stations dropped out and now Eastlan apparently measures it.

It is already #1 in billing and has been for decades. The population would still be #2, so there is no gain. However, since agencies seem to be looking increasingly at impressions and not rating points, improving the number of impressions would make consolidation significant.

But none of the IE FMs covers the full LA market, and only one even comes near that coverage. No IE AM covers LA and few LA stations cover the IE as most are directional to the west. So a consolidation looks next to impossible.

Let me put this another way: Baltimore and Washington are closer together but are two separate markets, with the same Class maximum.

 

[dxsphere]

KSJO/92.3 already tried Nash Country a few years back.

That, and KSJO was sold to Silicon Valley Asian Media Group. I doubt they'd be interested in picking up a country format.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

The billboards are probably for the Sacramento listeners coming home from the Bay Area. Any Dixon or Vacaville residents listening to Sacramento stations would show only in the San Francisco ratings, if it’s significant enough to meet the minimum reporting standards. The Sacramento stations would not benefit from this.

I’m sure that people in Dixon probably listen mostly to Sacramento stations along with Vacaville’s KUIC.

As far as the FCC goes, the market they consider KUIC in is what Nielsen counts it as, San Francisco.

Alpha *CAN* declare KUIC as Sacramento station with Nielsen in order to reduce their Bay Area station count. It probably won’t affect the revenue much since they probably rely on Solano business and not Bay Area agencies.

KNCI is a country station out of Sacramento and they have billboards in the Vacaville and Dixon area for similar grounds too. Im guessing this is a case of billboard companies using the TV DMA map for their research and not so much on the radio side.

I can understand how Solano County ended up split in two markets. Parts of this was initially the area used to be seen as "middle of nowhere" in past decades. However once suburban sprawl from Sacramento and Bay Area came into play and had to respond to the "affordable housing" issue then the real estate developers came to the county and became a contributor of the states past housing boom then issue over how much the Bay Area and Sacramento media outlets covers the county became an issue.

 

[davideduardo]

KNCI is a country station out of Sacramento and they have billboards in the Vacaville and Dixon area for similar grounds too. Im guessing this is a case of billboard companies using the TV DMA map for their research and not so much on the radio side.

What "research" would an outdoor company do? Clients specify areas they wish to cover... in radio it might be hot zip codes or routes they believe their listeners and potential ones might use the most.

I can understand how Solano County ended up split in two markets. Parts of this was initially the area used to be seen as "middle of nowhere" in past decades. However once suburban sprawl from Sacramento and Bay Area came into play and had to respond to the "affordable housing" issue then the real estate developers came to the county and became a contributor of the states past housing boom then issue over how much the Bay Area and Sacramento media outlets covers the county became an issue.

It's all based on just two factors... the first is a "must jump" one of which central city is found to be having the majority of listening in a county or a part of a county. The second is official data on commute patterns.

 

[CTListener]

Of course, the property that churches have is also taxable if there is no exemption. But since churches do many things beyond worship, this is an item that will never, in any of our lifetimes, ever happen. No politician who proposes taxation on churches can ever be elected or reelected, even in the most secular area of the nation.

Until our Constitution is re-written with out references to God, I don't think that there will be any change in the tax status of churches and religious groups.

It's unfortunate, then, that the Constitution includes any references to the supernatural, and that that 18th century language is used more than 300 years later to allow proselytizing/entertaining activity such as EMF is involved in, along with the rapacious acquisitions of radio facilities up and down the dial. I call that preying, not praying.

And no, I am not an atheist. I was raised in a particular religion, and still adhere to its moral underpinnings and observe its holidays. But I keep all that in my mind and in my home rather than grab for reassurance that I'm on the right track by going to a particular building every week to associate with people who just happen to have the same religion but think that some supreme being won't hear them anywhere else.

 

[ScottBurns]

It's unfortunate, then, that the Constitution includes any references to the supernatural, and that that 18th century language is used more than 300 years later to allow proselytizing/entertaining activity such as EMF is involved in, along with the rapacious acquisitions of radio facilities up and down the dial. I call that preying, not praying.

And no, I am not an atheist. I was raised in a particular religion, and still adhere to its moral underpinnings and observe its holidays. But I keep all that in my mind and in my home rather than grab for reassurance that I'm on the right track by going to a particular building every week to associate with people who just happen to have the same religion but think that some supreme being won't hear them anywhere else.

Actually, the U.S. Constitution never explicitly says the word "God."

"The U.S. Constitution never explicitly mentions God or the divine, but the same cannot be said of the nation's state constitutions. In fact, God or the divine is mentioned at least once in each of the 50 state constitutions and nearly 200 times overall," according to a Pew Research Center analysis.

 

[b-turner]

There is freedom here in the USA. If you want you can have a non-profit organization that is anti-God and anti-Christian Radio and likely call it an educational purpose to get a 501(c)3, start radio programming and run stations under it's umbrella. It amazes me how pissed people get about Christianity when they refuse to have anything to do with it. The thing I can't figure out (and I'm serious here) I don't see the same level of disgust or dislike or accusing with anything else. I find that very interesting.

 

[CTListener]

Actually, the U.S. Constitution never explicitly says the word "God."

"The U.S. Constitution never explicitly mentions God or the divine, but the same cannot be said of the nation's state constitutions. In fact, God or the divine is mentioned at least once in each of the 50 state constitutions and nearly 200 times overall," according to a Pew Research Center analysis.

Not quite ...

The United States Constitution does mention God. In Article VII, the Constitution states:

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth….

https://currentpub.com/2011/05/31/the-u-s-constitution-and-the-year-of-our-lord/

 

[ScottBurns]

Not quite ...

The United States Constitution does mention God. In Article VII, the Constitution states:

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth….

https://currentpub.com/2011/05/31/the-u-s-constitution-and-the-year-of-our-lord/

This is an implicit reference, and does not explicitly reference God, Jesus Christ, or the deity of a specific religion. It references a year, not anything overtly religious.

 

[CTListener]

This is an implicit reference, and does not explicitly reference God, Jesus Christ, or the deity of a specific religion. It references a year, not anything overtly religious.

"Our Lord" can be no one but Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, since it's his supposed birth year (or in the vicinity) that splits our years into B.C. and A.D. The reference is not overtly religious and I don't think any court has latched onto it to insert more overtly Christian taboos and phobias into our laws, but it does indeed refer to the deity of a specific religion. The year numbers used today are accepted by all -- although some use B.C.E. (Before Common Era) instead of B.C. (Before Christ) -- but that doesn't change the foundation of that system.

 

[ScottBurns]

"Our Lord" can be no one but Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, since it's his supposed birth year (or in the vicinity) that splits our years into B.C. and A.D. The reference is not overtly religious and I don't think any court has latched onto it to insert more overtly Christian taboos and phobias into our laws, but it does indeed refer to the deity of a specific religion. The year numbers used today are accepted by all -- although some use B.C.E. (Before Common Era) instead of B.C. (Before Christ) -- but that doesn't change the foundation of that system.

Do you believe that this amounts to a Constitutional endorsement of Christianity - a mere reference of a date?

 

[Marcos_C]

If you want you can have a non-profit organization that is anti-God and anti-Christian Radio and likely call it an educational purpose to get a 501(c)3, start radio programming and run stations under it's umbrella. It amazes me how pissed people get about Christianity when they refuse to have anything to do with it.

Local public radio broadcasters are close to the type of organization that you describe, except that they are more uninterested in religion than against it. And it's not just Christianity, but other faiths as well.

For example, before its sale to New York Public Radio in 2009, NYC classical music station WQXR aired Temple Emanu-El's Friday Evening Shabbat Service live. Unfortunately, because New York Public Radio is a secular organization, WQXR had to cancel that long-running broadcast. The Reform Jewish synagogue has since adapted to that change and now broadcasts the service through its website.

 

[beej65]

KSJO/92.3 already tried Nash Country a few years back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_(brand)

And Nash is only located in smaller markets; I draw a parallel between the Bay Area and NYC which lost Nash last fall.

 

[beej65]

Do you believe that this amounts to a Constitutional endorsement of Christianity - a mere reference of a date?

As an amateur Christian theologian, I reserve the right to make fine judgments. No, it's not an endorsement of Christianity, as in "The government says everybody needs to believe in Jesus Christ." It's an acknowledgment of a Supreme Being in whom many believe, and which there is room for many beliefs (or non-beliefs!) in America.

 

[beej65]

Local public radio broadcasters are close to the type of organization that you describe, except that they are more uninterested in religion than against it. And it's not just Christianity, but other faiths as well.

For example, before its sale to New York Public Radio in 2009, NYC classical music station WQXR aired Temple Emanu-El's Friday Evening Shabbat Service live. Unfortunately, because New York Public Radio is a secular organization, WQXR had to cancel that long-running broadcast. The Reform Jewish synagogue has since adapted to that change and now broadcasts the service through its website

If NYC has 9 million people, and about 1 million Jews, that's a significant minority. If NYPR wished to serve them with a Friday night shabbat service broadcast (two hours maybe?), they could decide to do so even as a secular organization, especially for a Reformed (theologically liberal) Jewish service. It would be their leadership's call as to whether it fits with their mission. If secular commercial stations can occasionally broadcast worship services, non-commercial stations certainly can.

 

[TheBigA]

"Our Lord" can be no one but Jesus,

Context: "In the year of our Lord" was common legal phrasing in the day, referring to the AD calendar, which we use. Not a religious context per se. Otherwise, every time we date something using the current calendar, we're also endorsing a specific religion. Which we're not. Secular Muslims and Jews use the AD calendar except in religious context.

 

[Marcos_C]

If NYC has 9 million people, and about 1 million Jews, that's a significant minority. If NYPR wished to serve them with a Friday night shabbat service broadcast (two hours maybe?), they could decide to do so even as a secular organization, especially for a Reformed (theologically liberal) Jewish service. It would be their leadership's call as to whether it fits with their mission. If secular commercial stations can occasionally broadcast worship services, non-commercial stations certainly can.

Giving time slots to one or a few religious groups and not to others seems to go against the values that New York Public Radio holds. Among NYPR's values, which are listed on their website, are "Listen deeply and embrace all voices" and "Embrace equity." (Boldface added.) These values may be the reason why NYPR canceled all of WQXR's religious programming, both on Friday evening and on Sunday morning.

And the broadcast of the Friday Evening Shabbat Service on WQXR was a half-hour long, from 5:30 to 6:00 pm.

 

[K108 Sacramento]

Do you believe that this amounts to a Constitutional endorsement of Christianity - a mere reference of a date?

In answer to your question no it does not. Imho.