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Early consumers of ATSC 3.0 TVs/tuners, what has been your experience with the NextGen Signal?

Z

ZantennaG1

Mainly, I'm hoping that the overall reception is better, and mobile TV can return. However, I would also wonder what interactive features/menus you've seen thus far? I know a few channels have a basic program guide attached, maybe a weather forecast, and local news/calendar option. Of course, over the pond, there is BBC's famous red dot menu, but that's on DVB-T2. How's ATSC 3.0 coming along for you, and is it too early to go and buy it?

Also, random theory here: Is everything that is nice and breezy right now somehow going to get throttled back some 15 years down the road so that they can force paid options again?
 
The big thing is reception. During periods of wind, ATSC 1 would start stuttering. ATSC 3.0 is solid under the same circumstances. I actually have not witnessed any dropouts on ATSC 3.0.

The only feature I have seen that is added with ATSC 3.0 is datacasting, and you have to dig to find it. In Seattle, the local Sinclair stations overhyped a new ATSC 3.0 radio service. The station is broadcasting a link to the internet radio stream. Yup, just a link via a static HTML page that they are datacasting. Quite disappointing. (I think datacasting is cool, just disappointed in the fake ATSC 3.0 radio channels)
 
Thank you for your reply! :)
Red Plume said:
The big thing is reception. During periods of wind, ATSC 1 would start stuttering. ATSC 3.0 is solid under the same circumstances. I actually have not witnessed any dropouts on ATSC 3.0.
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That is spectacular, because I live in a windy area, and upwards of 200+ days feature windspeeds higher than 20 mph.
Red Plume said:
The only feature I have seen that is added with ATSC 3.0 is datacasting, and you have to dig to find it. In Seattle, the local Sinclair stations overhyped a new ATSC 3.0 radio service. The station is broadcasting a link to the internet radio stream. Yup, just a link via a static HTML page that they are datacasting. Quite disappointing. (I think datacasting is cool, just disappointed in the fake ATSC 3.0 radio channels)
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That's too bad, however there is a lot of potential with datacasting, right? Also, I imagine that channel 6 TV stations who make the switch to NextGen could still have the regular TV subchannels, but have one channel that is fed to the 87.7 FM output šŸ¤”
 
ZantennaG1 said:
Thank you for your reply! :)

That is spectacular, because I live in a windy area, and upwards of 200+ days feature windspeeds higher than 20 mph.

That's too bad, however there is a lot of potential with datacasting, right? Also, I imagine that channel 6 TV stations who make the switch to NextGen could still have the regular TV subchannels, but have one channel that is fed to the 87.7 FM output šŸ¤”
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Yeah, I think you can do a lot with datacasting. It's really cool that you can receive an HTML page without the internet.

There was so much industry hype about the cutting edge ATSC 3.0 radio channels that Sinclair was broadcasting-- no one questioned it. But all it was was a link to an MP3 stream that you'd listen to the same way you've listened to online radio for the last 25 years.
Like: [a href="URL"] Click here to listen [/a]

RE: Channel 6 - You're correct. I'd love to see a discussion about them using HD-only radio. I read a document that dismissed it early on as a non-starter, but the more I learn the more I think you can actually fit the lower digital sideband of 87.9 there. The question is whether that would work without the upper digital sideband. I can't find that answer since it's not open source info.
 
If I understand correctly, ATSC 3.0 is preparing to have subscription services like
ESPN available in the near term. As history repeats itself, I'd be willing to bet that
sooner, rather than later, all ATSC 3.0 broadcasts will be subscription only........
 
Prescott Joe said:
If I understand correctly, ATSC 3.0 is preparing to have subscription services like
ESPN available in the near term. As history repeats itself, I'd be willing to bet that
sooner, rather than later, all ATSC 3.0 broadcasts will be subscription only........
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I could definitely see that happening in the future, but I still cling on to the hope that FCC keeps up their rule about the primary signals being free and open.
 
Why is this in "International"? Are there other countries adopting ATSC-3, given that almost all countries outside the United States selected the technically superior DVB-T standard instead of ATSC?
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
Why is this in "International"? Are there other countries adopting ATSC-3, given that almost all countries outside the United States selected the technically superior DVB-T standard instead of ATSC?
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I couldn't find the "United States Television" forum. Also, South Korea is heavily adopting ATSC 3.0, and I suspect Canada might join soon enough.
 
Prescott Joe said:
If I understand correctly, ATSC 3.0 is preparing to have subscription services like
ESPN available in the near term. As history repeats itself, I'd be willing to bet that
sooner, rather than later, all ATSC 3.0 broadcasts will be subscription only........
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There's a startup called Evoca using low power stations for subscription ATSC 3.0.
Boise ID has two RF channels on the air at the moment. Plans for more.
Not impressed with the video they had (when it was in the open) especially the ONE 4K demo channel. Video was stuttering. Can get much better images watching 4K on YouTube.
The FCC does require subscription channels to have at least one open channel/stream per RF channel.
Evoca in Boise just stuck BYU TV on BOTH of them. Waste.1650773009031.png
 
Lester_the_NightFly said:
If that happens, then local Television is done.
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It all depends on desirability of content of what used to be OTA TV and the cost of a Newgen subscription. The old C and Ku big dish satts used several encryption methods and they were quickly broken. Likewise with Macrovision. Netflix is suffering loss of subs due to cost and sharing of passwords so many subscribers apparently do not think the service is worth the cost. As long as Newgen TV sub cost is perceived as worthwhile they will flourish otherwise people will abandon it. There is plenty of competition for what's now on OTA TV from other sources.

Another factor could be the percentage of OTA viewers versus those who receive their standard TV through cable. Cable companies would love to see OTA disappear completely and I'm sure they will do everything to make that happen.

My big screen smartTV spends virtually all it's time either streaming (daughter has a Netflix subscription) or displaying programming from DVD's or Internet. About the only thing watched in my house OTA is one of the morning shows and it wouldn't be worth a dime to pay for that.
 
boiseengineer said:
There's a startup called Evoca using low power stations for subscription ATSC 3.0.
Boise ID has two RF channels on the air at the moment. Plans for more.
Not impressed with the video they had (when it was in the open) especially the ONE 4K demo channel. Video was stuttering. Can get much better images watching 4K on YouTube.
The FCC does require subscription channels to have at least one open channel/stream per RF channel.
Evoca in Boise just stuck BYU TV on BOTH of them. Waste.View attachment 2887
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Agreed that it would be a waste, although I feel like this is what draconian tricks would be tried by the big companies to "force" the subscription. Imagine having HSN on the main .1 signal, and then ABC on a paid .2 channel. Yikes šŸ˜¬
 
ZantennaG1 said:
Agreed that it would be a waste, although I feel like this is what draconian tricks would be tried by the big companies to "force" the subscription. Imagine having HSN on the main .1 signal, and then ABC on a paid .2 channel. Yikes šŸ˜¬
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Wouldn't you need an internet connection to set up payment? If so, then you're better off just paying for Hulu TV or YouTube TV. I don't see the point of using OTA (which is susceptible to the elements and has limited range) to offer subscription based services when an internet connection or satellite TV can do the same. People with antennas either do so because they don't want to pay for TV or because they have no internet to supplement their viewing experiences.

This whole thing reeks of "proof of concept" technology. Sort of like MediaFlo or ASTC-M/H. Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should when there are already better alternatives for the services you're offering.
 
Following up to my opinion on Netflix clamping down on password sharing:

This morning Fox 10 Phoenix published a poll asking viewers what their answer would be if Netflix did indeed prevent (or charge) password sharing. The overwhelming answer (I think it was 58%) was that they simply would not watch Netflix any longer. This is what I guessed would result.

Netflix better think of a better solution or their subscription base will evaporate in a big hurry.
 
landtuna said:
Following up to my opinion on Netflix clamping down on password sharing:

This morning Fox 10 Phoenix published a poll asking viewers what their answer would be if Netflix did indeed prevent (or charge) password sharing. The overwhelming answer (I think it was 58%) was that they simply would not watch Netflix any longer. This is what I guessed would result.

Netflix better think of a better solution or their subscription base will evaporate in a big hurry.
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Like a Family Plan that allows sharing. Don't want to share? They could do a cheaper rate.
 
Prescott Joe said:
If I understand correctly, ATSC 3.0 is preparing to have subscription services like
ESPN available in the near term. As history repeats itself, I'd be willing to bet that
sooner, rather than later, all ATSC 3.0 broadcasts will be subscription only........
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I doubt the FCC will allow that to happen. I thought the main reason for ATSC 3 to exist was to improve OTA reception quality. If subscription TV is what they intend to be the priority service(s), it will fail just like it did in the '80s. Streaming is the better place for that.
 
During the Leo show on KOA, they talked about ATSC 3.0 being paired with a "Mi-mo" technology, that hooks up to 5G and broadcasts a combined Broadband and TV signal to your home. Does anyone have any more information about this?
Thanks,
Z
 
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