Poor Larry! How did HE of all people get roped into this one? LOL
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They played We Belong by Pat Benetar on KZOK
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OK, but if you're stoned and playing the same track by Gunna or Lil Baby over and over again on Spotify, Pandora, YT or another streaming service while eating Cheetos, those plays are counted. David Eduardo called them "revenue producing incidents", and revenue producing incidents count on the charts. And most people consume their music on streaming sites. MP3 downloads comprise only 3% of music consumption / revenues now. They comprised 4% last year, so that percentage is dropping.
The equivalent plays on your home and car soundsystems in 1981 weren't counted. Only the initial sale counted. The gazillions of times the song "You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise" by Judas Priest (the second track off of British Steel) was played on car stereos down at Alki every night in '81 didn't count, because those individual plays didn't produce revenue.
The equivalent plays today count.
That's how that superstar Gunna took over 12% of the chart a couple months ago. Enough people were playing every track of his new release. And those plays were apparently numerous, and also apparently made a lot of revenue.
In some ways, the charts are probably more accurate now than they were in 1981, when every track of Def Leppard's High And Dry album was blasting out of half the open car windows on Alki in the summer, with most of the songs on that album never making it to any chart whatsoever. But it didn't matter.
Things change.
All this said, I think I'll go to YT and play some British Steel. Make Mr. Rob Halford a few pennies in the process.
Or all the tracks from Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive! in 1976, when that album was the soundtrack to dorm life for much of my junior and senior years. The hits were "Show Me the Way," "Baby I Love Your Way" and the eviscerated radio edit of "Do You Feel Like We Do," but every track pounded out of stereos every single night for months.
The problem here is that, while it's important to make sure artists are paid per instance of streaming, it's not equivalent to sales charts in the past.
For most people, streaming is done through a subscription. Pay Apple, Google, Spotify or whoever $10.99 a month and listen as little or as much as you want. If you want to play every cut off the new Taylor Swift album three times a day, it costs you nothing other than what you're already paying to listen to everything else that's on the platform, but it makes her money.
To have the album at home in the old days so you could play it as much as you wanted or to play songs on a jukebox, it would cost you some money---money you were spending specifically to hear those songs repeatedly.
Factoring streaming plays into charts is compounding the error of factoring in airplay. It's like Toyota getting to count every time you see a Corolla in traffic or on a TV show as an additional sale.
For most people, streaming is done through a subscription. Pay Apple, Google, Spotify or whoever $10.99 a month and listen as little or as much as you want. If you want to play every cut off the new Taylor Swift album three times a day, it costs you nothing other than what you're already paying to listen to everything else that's on the platform, but it makes her money.
To have the album at home in the old days so you could play it as much as you wanted or to play songs on a jukebox, it would cost you some money---money you were spending specifically to hear those songs repeatedly.
Factoring streaming plays into charts is compounding the error of factoring in airplay. It's like Toyota getting to count every time you see a Corolla in traffic or on a TV show as an additional sale.
We sure got off the topic of KZOK and Pat Benatar fast , didn't we?
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HAHAHAHAHA!! Cracking me UP. too bad I didn't get to visit with you while I was in Seattle
As you say, it probably is more accurate -- but since it really is measuring something different than was measured in the past, it also makes it hard to compare the chart performance of songs today with that of songs in the days before streaming became dominant. As an extreme example, I wonder what the Billboard Hot 100 would have looked like in 1964 if it had been possible to measure every time a young Beatles fan played and played those new Beatles records? I'm guessing that the dominance of the chart by the Beatles would have been quite overwhelming. But we'll never know because there was no way to measure each listen back then (and no purpose in doing so).
That said, I'll also note that this introduces a potential skew in the charts -- because what we can't know is how much listening is accounted for by that 3% of revenue that comes from purchased downloads. We also don't know how much additional listening might be accounted for by ripped CD tracks (and, yes, I'm guessing that many of us still listen to these even if they are rips that we did years ago from CDs that we bought even further back). I'm guessing that the musical taste of those listening to downloads and/or CD rips may be substantially different from those who only listen to streaming music. But there's not really any way to know.
Shawn Ross had a really good article yesterday that relates to this discussion. Made You Listen: How Taylor (And Meghan) Helped Top 40 Reclaim My Road Trip - RadioInsight
I'm bummed that "You Better Run" by Pat Benatar doesn't test. I like that song. But.....who cares. Radio has gotten so bland and predictable. I just spent a week in Gig Harbor and didn't even bother to bring a radio with me, because I knew I wasn't going to miss a thing by not listening. In the 80's-early 90's, Seattle was a great radio market and I LOVED listening. Iheart killed it.
Do you think the music being made today is as good as it was then?
Because when you talk about music radio, what you're really talking about is the music.
I agree, many of these stations aren’t what they used to be, but they’re still better than the stations you hear in other markets.
I personally don't. I think the CHR was better in 2012 and rock dived after 2006 or so (despite some decent acts like Gojira).
Then again, the internet has changed everything.... including musical tastes and how those musical tastes are measured.
According to many, music is just as good now as it ever was. That 'road trip' article guy (linked above) seems to think that Taylor Swift has saved music (although he also seems to have his feet stuck in the past). OK, maybe she has reinjected some life into pop music, but she took 5 years to make the same amount of money that Staind made in just one year, off of one album, and that was 22 years ago.
The music is what it is. KISW plays a lot of the newer rock hits, and they still get good ratings, and a lot of that has to be due to the music they play. I'm sure that some of the songs on their currents playlist will be played on some classic rock, internet channel in 30 years.
That's because (say it together now..) of music research.
Adolescent humor is adolescent humor no matter which generation is doing it. Most people outgrow it well before the first year in their age changes from 2 to 3. The more mature ones do before it changes from 1 to 2.
And as for what the station will be playing in 20 years, it's much more likely that they'll be playing bands that were popular 20 years before than bands that were popular 40 years before. No one can predict mass popular taste 20 years in the future or which currently popular artists will still test well then, but history shows that it's much more likely that mass nostalgia among any age group will be for music of their youth rather than "dad's music" of two generations ago.
Update: the construction workers have finished the job at that site and have moved on to KDUX land. None of them have complained about hearing that Pat Benetar song again. Also they can still listen to the mystery 92.9 station at the new location as it has superior signal coverage to both KZOK and KDUX as well as others. And no commercials, but that’s all explained in the other thread.
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