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Why are big hits "lost?"

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Muzak has become MoodMusic. One of their clients is Home Depot. At one time Home Depot has their own "network."

When I worked at Kirkland's in their IT Department I found out that they're also on Muzak/Mood and that they had control over what was played in the stores from a server in the office where I worked.
 
I've seen some of those cassettes from Kmart available on downloads but the ones I found were mostly elevator music and a bunch of ads for the store.

At one time Hobby Lobby had their own CDs that they played in the stores for background music and also sold them. It was mainly made up of instrumental Christian music and I can remember hearing some music by Phil Keaggy, my favorite Christian artist who does a lot of instrumental albums, at the time. Since then I think they have their own Muzak channel.
The funny part is someone could have swapped in a cassette at Kmart with virtually no effort whatsoever. Tons of us had access to the console at the service desk, yet no one did to my knowledge. (At our store at least.) Might have been amusing to swap in some AC/DC…Run DMC…pretty much anything that wasn’t what those tapes were.
 
The funny part is someone could have swapped in a cassette at Kmart with virtually no effort whatsoever. Tons of us had access to the console at the service desk, yet no one did to my knowledge. (At our store at least.) Might have been amusing to swap in some AC/DC…Run DMC…pretty much anything that wasn’t what those tapes were.
Rage Against The Machine would be good too.
 
With al the mentions of "Honey", it's amazing that it just happens Bobby Goldsboro is 82 today.
I knew Goldsboro had a January birthday. A son of the Florida Panhandle (Marianna).

I agree "Honey" is kinda lame, as is "See the Funny Little Clown". Heck, I'd take "Voodoo Woman" or "Muddy Mississippi Line" over them any day.
 
1. Does the song resonate emotionally with listeners who normally pay little attention to songs, but tear jerker songs strikes some chord in them that relates to their own lives? Maybe they lost someone due to death, or to a bad breakup, so they call in incessantly to request the song? If you ever took requests via phone, email, text message, etc. - do you find that the same people continually contact the station with requests?

I don't know, but I usually have the opposite reaction with most tear jerker songs. As examples, I used to like "Remember When" by Alan Jackson and "Live Like You Were Dying" by Tim McGraw (one of the few Tim McGraw songs that didn't make me want to wretch). Then, my dad fell over dead suddenly in the Fall of 2009. I will now push the button immediately on both of those songs, usually before the vocals even start. I don't care for songs about death in general, though I'll admit to liking "Think of Laura" by Christopher Cross. Bad breakups haven't really affected me like deaths. I love the entire "Recovering the Satellites" album by the Counting Crows, even though it was my first college girlfriend's favorite group at the time. The memory of driving north on Leverett Avenue from campus to my apartment with her in the passenger seat belting out the chorus to "Round Here" always makes me smile. You'd never know today that that breakup was a major contributor to me nearly flunking out of college the next semester.

2. Is the mediocre song part of an album release, or a movie soundtrack release which will make a big impact on the culture? For example, "The Way We Were" by Barbra Streisand was just.......not good. It was self-pitying, maudlin, tear-jerking, patronizing, corny, etc. I didn't like it. But it was played to death on L.A. radio. It won a Grammy, I believe. It was heavily promoted, because it was used to sell the movie.

As Michael and I discussed earlier, some mediocre to bad songs would seem to piggyback on being part of a good movie or album release. "Candy Man" by Sammy Davis, Jr. is an example. Davis himself didn't like the song, but he didn't decline to do it either. I'd always heard Keith Richards hated, and I mean HATED, "Satisfaction" despite being credited as its main writer. I don't think he's ever hated it enough to donate his royalty checks, though!

I will admit that I don't hate "The Way We Were." Like most Streisand songs, I wouldn't ever want to listen to it, but it doesn't make me change the station either. I suspect a lot of listeners were somewhat "meh" about that song. It might not have gotten many requests, but it's not particularly offensive or harmful.

2.a. Same thing with "You Don't Bring Me Flowers Any More" w/ Streisand and Neil Diamond. More maudlin, cornball dreck. It went to the top 10 very quickly after its release, IIRC. There was no movie associated with it. But Streisand and Diamond were huge names in pop music. So fans bought it because at that level, a fan will collect every album that their favorite artist releases.

Personally, I hate Neil Diamond. Very few of his songs aren't button pushers for me. Thing is, he's popular with a lot of people. My BIL is younger than I am, and he knows all the words to Neil's music.

\3. Do listeners request or buy music because the artist is associated w/ another artist that they like? For example, was "You Light Up My Life" a hit because fans of Debby Boone's father, Pat Boone, really liked slow, sentimental ballads that were played at wedding receptions? ( I'm not a fan of this song- I thought it was SO corny with weepy sentiment. But, a lot of my gal friends who got married during this time, wanted it played at their weddings).

"You Light Up My Life" is another one that I would never seek out, but it doesn't make me go away. I wouldn't give it a high rating if I were involved a music test, but it wouldn't get such a low rating that it would fall under the "it makes me angry" or "it makes me sick" banners. As Michael mentions, Debby Boone probably didn't get too much benefit, at least from the listeners, for being Pat Boone's kid, though it might've helped her secure a record deal.

4. Do listeners buy it because they like the genre or like to sing along? Example "That Summer" by Garth Brooks. ( Gawd. I don't like the lyrics. The guy spends the rest of his life bragging about a fling he had with a desperate older woman on a farm). The chorus is not all that singable, except to people who believe they have very strong voices. Anyone who thinks he/ she sounds like Garth, Reba McEntire, LeeAnn Rimes, or Dolly, likes to sing along. It's a big karaoke favorite on cruise ships).

"That Summer," like a lot of other Garth songs, has an upbeat melody that really stood out among the hits of its time. For people like me who were in their late teens when it came out, songs like that helped convince us that country music wasn't entirely about crying in your beer. Garth, in general, was like that, though I don't think he would've had the draw he had if pop music at the time wasn't so lousy. Again, hits are relative. No way Garth Brooks would've had any spins on pop stations if the pop product of the early 90's wasn't so godawful. I greatly reduced my listening to CHR/Top-40 stations in 1990 and '91 because the music was just so bad. I didn't become a regular listener again until about 1996. I also think Garth is incredible live, and I'm sure the shows he put on at the time helped boost him, though I don't know how many fans of his recorded music he got. I used the example of Streisand above as an artist I would never seek out but won't generally tune out either. I do actually think she's really good live, but the only song of hers in my music collection is her duet with Donna Summer, "Enough Is Enough" (which she almost didn't do), and it's there for Donna Summer's part. Going back to your mentioning of "You Don't Bring Me Flowers," I suspect listeners who like one but are only lukewarm on the other probably give the song high enough marks. It makes me tune out because I detest Diamond, but I doubt my BIL would hit the "skip" button when it came on.

5. Is there a dance step associated with it? "Achy-Breaky Heart" was cute, the first 500 times that it was played.

No, it wasn't. "Achy-Breaky Heart" was always cringeworthy. I actually don't think most of Cyrus's other songs have been too bad, but I can honestly say I've never liked any version of that song. Then again, you thought it was cute a few times, and I suspect enough other people did, too, that playing it, at least for a little while, didn't hurt anybody.

P.S. What do you think is the pop song voted the # 1 Worst Song of All Time? According to a CNN poll from 2006, it's "You're Having My Baby" by Paul Anka and Odia Coates. ( I didn't think anything could top "Honey", but I have to agree with this poll).

I actually think "Honey" is worse, but "You're Having My Baby" is indeed terrible. Probably close to 25 years ago now, I was visiting family in Springfield, MO for a holiday weekend, and I turned on 1260, which had just been acquired by Journal Broadcast Group from Great Empire, had switched calls to KTTF, and was calling itself "Classic Country 1260." I actually heard a version of "Honey" by Tom T. Hall that I didn't even know existed up to that point. It was still bad, though I did actually listen to it all the way through that one time. I have never listened to it again, and I don't expect I ever will!

The entire reason for in-store play is that it's been found, when done properly, to affect sales and profits.

I've been told the music mix on stores' sound systems can even reduce theft.
 
The older I get the more I like SOME disco songs, Disco Inferno has a great bass line IMHO

But speaking of songs that are dead and buried never to be heard of again...

#1 You Light Up My Life
I agree. But unfortunately my mother loved it so much she had the church organist play it before her wedding to my stepfather. I would have preferred "Crazy Little Thing Called Love". :)
 
...it is a mystery to me why stations start playing these songs in the first place. My guess is - they get a lot of requests, then they play it more, then it starts selling, then they play it some more, so it becomes an upward cycle that turns it into a high-charting hit.

I meant, but forgot to address this in my first reply.

In the case of "You Light Up My Life", Warner Bros. started promoting it to smaller market stations. That was a fairly standard practice at the time---get smaller, but not too small, stations on a record in week one and two---use that action to get medium market stations to add it and then, in weeks three and four, start to work the major markets.

Here's the first print ad for "You Light Up My Life" from Warners, in the August 26, 1977 issue of Radio and Records:

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So, in this case, they've actually got five large market stations that went early on it, and it's doing well for four of them---KRBE and KILT in Houston, and KJR and KING in Seattle. KULF is also in Houston, but all we know is they're playing it.

KJRB was Spokane, KRSP Salt Lake City, KNDE Sacramento, KANC Anchorage, WAIR Greensboro, KILE Galveston, KCBN Reno, KRKE Albuquerque, KPAM Portland, KTAC Tacoma, WLAC Nashville and WGH in Newport News, are also playing it too, with impressive jumps at KRBE and KILE.

So, it's clearly not a regional record.

The next week, September 2, another print ad:

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Number one in Houston at KRBE, which forces competition KULF to not only add it, but it debuts on their chart at number 3. It's number 4 at KILT. It's going top ten in Seattle.

Third week, September 16, a third print ad:

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#1, 2 and 3 in Houston, #1 in Galveston, #13 first week in Boston. #6 in Seattle and a ton of new adds.

Week four, September 16. No need for a print ad, it's made the top of the BREAKERS on the back page of Radio and Records:

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And now they've got KHJ and WLS. Game over.
 
I don't know, but I usually have the opposite reaction with most tear jerker songs. As examples, I used to like "Remember When" by Alan Jackson
I like that one.

and "Live Like You Were Dying" by Tim McGraw (one of the few Tim McGraw songs that didn't make me want to wretch).
Can't stand the lyrics.

though I'll admit to liking "Think of Laura" by Christopher Cross.
It's nice enough. I didn't even know what it was about.
As Michael and I discussed earlier, some mediocre to bad songs would seem to piggyback on being part of a good movie or album release. "Candy Man" by Sammy Davis, Jr. is an example. Davis himself didn't like the song, but he didn't decline to do it either.
I like it.
I'd always heard Keith Richards hated, and I mean HATED, "Satisfaction" despite being credited as its main writer. I don't think he's ever hated it enough to donate his royalty checks, though!
Heard it the other day on the radio. I don't dislike it.
I will admit that I don't hate "The Way We Were." Like most Streisand songs, I wouldn't ever want to listen to it, but it doesn't make me change the station either. I suspect a lot of listeners were somewhat "meh" about that song. It might not have gotten many requests, but it's not particularly offensive or harmful.
I like most Streisand songs. "Somewhere" is an exception but only because of the terrible instumentals. Matt Monro has a good version.
Personally, I hate Neil Diamond. Very few of his songs aren't button pushers for me. Thing is, he's popular with a lot of people. My BIL is younger than I am, and he knows all the words to Neil's music.
I like most of his songs. "I'm alive" is an exception.
"You Light Up My Life" is another one that I would never seek out, but it doesn't make me go away. I wouldn't give it a high rating if I were involved a music test, but it wouldn't get such a low rating that it would fall under the "it makes me angry" or "it makes me sick" banners. As Michael mentions, Debby Boone probably didn't get too much benefit, at least from the listeners, for being Pat Boone's kid, though it might've helped her secure a record deal.
I liked it.

I do actually think she's really good live, but the only song of hers in my music collection is her duet with Donna Summer, "Enough Is Enough" (which she almost didn't do), and it's there for Donna Summer's part.
Don't like that one, or anything by Donna Summer.
Going back to your mentioning of "You Don't Bring Me Flowers," I suspect listeners who like one but are only lukewarm on the other probably give the song high enough marks. It makes me tune out because I detest Diamond, but I doubt my BIL would hit the "skip" button when it came on.
Didn't like it at first, and I don't know why. I think it's great now.
No, it wasn't. "Achy-Breaky Heart" was always cringeworthy. I actually don't think most of Cyrus's other songs have been too bad, but I can honestly say I've never liked any version of that song. Then again, you thought it was cute a few times, and I suspect enough other people did, too, that playing it, at least for a little while, didn't hurt anybody.
I actually like it now.
"You're Having My Baby" is indeed terrible.
I like that one.
 
I agree. But unfortunately my mother loved it so much she had the church organist play it before her wedding to my stepfather. I would have preferred "Crazy Little Thing Called Love". :)
I like that one because it sounds like 50s rock and roll and it's the only Queen song I like.
 
Yes, we've heard all about your adoration for KCBC, like it's the center of the known world. I believe many of your artist/playlist examples/posts were spawned from your having heard it on the station.
Honestly? The Hustle from Van McCoy isn't exactly what most people would consider a recurrent. It's considered an 'oh-wow', song from their PD, but I'm willing to bet that it's more of an 'oh-Hell-no'-song right before listeners punch a different preset.
I like it.
 
I think I like almost every “bad song” discussed in this thread. I’d probably enjoy hearing them on the radio once a week, maybe once a day but probably not multiple times in one day. There were many songs and recording artists that I disliked when top 40 radio would play them every hour or every other hour but I can appreciate now. Then again, I’m not in radio’s desired audience, recently turning 60. I enjoy Beasley’s WMGK HD-2 oldies station (where I occasionally hear a few of the songs discussed in this thread.
 
Right. And it began with a custom radio edit. Gary Guthrie, PD of WAKY in Louisville, took both solo versions into the production studio and edited them together. He played it for his Columbia Records promo rep, who took a dub to corporate and the next thing you know, Barbra and Neil---arguably Columbia's two biggest artists at the time---are recording it.
Glad Columbia didn't invite its third-biggest artist, Bob Dylan, to make it a trio! (Or would Paul Simon have had that ranking back then?)
 
In-store play is its own thing. Ratings and advertising revenue aren't at stake, so it doesn't matter if the songs are recognizable. Quite often, retail outlets or restaurants simply go for a tempo they want to maintain---one conducive to whatever they're trying to get customers to do (slow down, speed up)---and they often simply use an algorithm to choose the songs from a library and sequence them.

The upside to unfamiliar songs in retail/restaurant environments---customers are less likely to be distracted by the music and most don't have a negative opinion of songs they've never heard before---at least not at the level of hearing the first four bars of a song you know you hate.

That said, I love "Jackie Wilson Said", and played it on the radio. It stiffed as a single, but anyone who was listening to album rock stations when the ST. DOMINIC'S PREVIEW album came out in 1972 knows it.
I recall hearing Van's "Why Must I Always Explain?" repeatedly on the ShopRite in-store music system back in the '90s. That one was a single from "Hymns to the Silence," but made no chart impact other hitting No. 69 on the Canadian equivalent of the Hot 100 and No. 43 on Billboard's Rock chart.
 
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