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58 years of Beautiful Music comes to an end

I think that WDBN left the format, and the call letters were changed in the early or mid 1980s. I always had a sense that they were one of the last standard-bearers for the format.
 
Yet, isn't that part of the issue?

There's folks that would like to see these relics of formats on commercial radio. Industry pro's like yourself and others have explained the very viable rationale on why this is no longer commercially viable on OTA radio.

Now, as a person that might be interested in listening to these format relics of the past, one needs to have a bit of technical knowledge in order to partake of this...whether it's buying a SXM subscription, figuring out how to listen to on-line versions of these stations, et. al.

In short, for those that may not be technologically-savvy, or care to invest $$ in listening on-line, options are small - and none.

Okay, so what do---what can---we do for those people?
 
Most likely to: 'the great beyond'
I mean, yeah.

Although, and this was a bit of a surprise to me---there are 2.7 million people aged 90 and older in the USA right now---50 years ago, that was about 450,000. So that's people born before 1933.

Narrow the scope just ten years to people 100 and older and it's 97,000.
 
While I have not listened lately, KIXI AM In the Seattle market still is listed as Big Band/Nostalgia.
I just went to their website---the "Now Playing" shows:

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And let's not start an "Is Carly Simon Big Band/Nostalgia?" thread like the Classic Rock one, okay?

What they're doing here is pretty much all they can do. If you were 25 when "Anticipation" came out, you're turning 77 this year.
 
And here's just how goofy the mix gets when you're trying to do this format today:

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Looking at the timeline, they went straight from Creedence to Sinatra. Maybe a sweeper, but no time for a palate-cleansing spot break.

In the 6:00 a.m. hour, they also played Eric Burdon & War's "Spill the Wine".
 
Looking at KIXI's schedule, it appears music has become a small part of their programming. They play music from 9:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m., then do an hour of Bloomberg Radio, followed by a two-hour financial advice program. From 10:00 to 3:00 p.m., it's John Tesh, which I'm guessing is still an insert-your-own-music thing for stations. There's a business show from 3:00-4:00, a healthcare show from 4:00-5:00, another hour of Bloomberg from 5:00-6:00, two hours of music from 6:00-8:00 and "When Radio Was" from 8:00-9:00.
 
I've told this story before, but it's been a few years.

In 1977, KOLO-AM in Reno hired me because they wanted to keep their personality but modernize their music, which was largely MOR.

What they wanted me to do was to take them to the late 70s AM version of AC, which essentially was whatever the Top 40 in the market was playing, minus the five or six hardest records, and with a gold library that went back a bit further than the Top 40, which was all post-Beatles. I went with 1964 forward until an all-oldies station came on, at which point, I broadened the library back to 1956.

The target was the center of the 25-49 demographic---37-year-olds. And I got them with music that had zero standards content whatsoever.

Those 37-year-olds are 83 today. And I was playing them The Bee Gees, Chicago, Linda Ronstadt, Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac, Jimmy Buffett and Stevie Wonder.

Standards is a whole lot older than we realize sometimes.
 
I mean, yeah.

Although, and this was a bit of a surprise to me---there are 2.7 million people aged 90 and older in the USA right now---50 years ago, that was about 450,000. So that's people born before 1933.
Sure, but other than incontinence supplies, (mostly TV) canes and mobility devices, (also mostly TV) what advertisers want to reach that audience?
 
Sure, but other than incontinence supplies, (mostly TV) canes and mobility devices, (also mostly TV) what advertisers want to reach that audience?
I wasn't suggesting that there was a salable audience there---I was just surprised that the number of people over 90 had increased by that much.

Given that the average life expectancy at birth was 61.7 years for a man born in 1933 and 65.1 for a woman, these are remarkable rates, largely attributable to 90 years worth of advancement in nutrition, lifestyles, workplace safety and medicine.
 
Yet, isn't that part of the issue?

There's folks that would like to see these relics of formats on commercial radio. Industry pro's like yourself and others have explained the very viable rationale on why this is no longer commercially viable on OTA radio.

Now, as a person that might be interested in listening to these format relics of the past, one needs to have a bit of technical knowledge in order to partake of this...whether it's buying a SXM subscription, figuring out how to listen to on-line versions of these stations, et. al.

In short, for those that may not be technologically-savvy, or care to invest $$ in listening on-line, options are small - and none.
It isn’t the responsibility of any business to cater to that narrow an audience. Moreover, there have always been people who might be interested in something not on “terrestrial” radio. Now there are options for many such tastes; decades back, not so much.

Yes, it costs money. Maybe a modicum of technological ability. Ok, and oh well. Sorry, but it’s generally a business for the masses (in general terms).
 
Wasn't WDBN in Medina, Ohio one of the first, if not the first, Beautiful Music formatted radio station? I remember glancing at a book about Beautiful Music and seeing the call letters of WDBN in it.
Edit: It was WDPN, so never mind.

But it was beautiful music, not that many years ago. I heard it at night.
 
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I just went to their website---the "Now Playing" shows:

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And let's not start an "Is Carly Simon Big Band/Nostalgia?" thread like the Classic Rock one, okay?

What they're doing here is pretty much all they can do. If you were 25 when "Anticipation" came out, you're turning 77 this year.
Although she has done that kind of music.

Songs like "Anticipation" have been part of "adult standards" for many years.
 
Sure, but other than incontinence supplies, (mostly TV) canes and mobility devices, (also mostly TV) what advertisers want to reach that audience?
Funeral homes, nursing homes, financial planners, insurance, anything related to Medicare or Social Security.
 
I wasn't suggesting that there was a salable audience there---I was just surprised that the number of people over 90 had increased by that much.
Heard on the radio an interesting related discussion on the predicted viability-of, and why the future of Social Security is always a topic of political conversation. What isn't commonly said in the discussion; is the typical lifespan of working American's went from 70-something when Social Security was invented, to 80-something today. That means your average Radio Discussions member will start collecting Social Security when they hit 65, and SSI will continue paying out now until they're 90. That's why all the political theater about how 'SSI will be going bankrupt', mainly because people live so much longer.
 
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