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East Palestine, OH train derailment - Any radio station covering it?

There is an oft-beaten dead horse in Minot, ND, where a similar event occurred 21 years ago and the EAS was not activated. Because there was no radio alert and because the local stations were all owned by Clear Channel, that broadcaster was blamed for not activating the system.

In reality, the issue was based in the fact that the local and state officials did not know how to activate the EAS themselves due to inadequate training and an sense of a controlled emergency situation protocol. If the authorized people and departments in the government had reacted appropriately, the alert would have been broadcast. Of course, even then it was at about 2 AM and how many people in Minot were awake and listening to the radio at that time?

Even now, when the Ohio event occurred the average is that one out of every 12 persons may be listening to the radio. That leaves most people uninformed unless alerts are issued on TV and through cellular phones.

The criticism wasn't solely directed at the EAS failure. It was more broadly about the fact that during a power outage amid a major catastrophe, there was no emergency information being broadcast by any local radio station at all.

It turns out all of Minot's major radio stations were owned by Clear Channel, which at the time was leading the radio industry's movement toward replacing staff with automation, so there was no one in the building to answer the authorities' frantic phone calls when EAS failed.

Critics rightfully asked, if Clear Channel had not owned all of Minot's five commercial stations — if they each had been locally owned and operated — wouldn't it have been five times more likely that first responders would have been able to reach at least one of them, connect to a real person, and tell the public what to do next?

Keep in mind this was in 2002 when radio automation wasn't as widespread as it is today, but Clear Channel was a pioneer in using it to cut staff and costs. Emergency alerts were not yet being delivered to cell phones and it would be five years before the first iPhone was introduced. Radio was still considered the primary source of information during an emergency, and the outrage over its failure in this situation was well warranted.

Now we have a similar incident in Ohio. It's unclear from this thread whether EAS was activated or local radio stations responded immediately with breaking news updates. It seems doubtful that either of these things occurred but everyone has become so accustomed to the lack of information via radio during an emergency it seems to elicit more of a shoulder shrug today. Fortunately, as bad as this incident was, it seems to have been less life threatening than the one in Minot 21 years ago where the chemicals being released were even worse.
 
The criticism wasn't solely directed at the EAS failure. It was more broadly about the fact that during a power outage amid a major catastrophe, there was no emergency information being broadcast by any local radio station at all.

There were Congressional hearings on this. There was no emergency information being broadcast because it was 2 in the morning and the emergency officials were too busy dealing with the emergency to convey any information to anyone. That's what happens. But after an hour, they reached the news director, who drove in to the station, and he started broadcasting information around 3AM and into the morning. Of course most people were asleep, and they were told to stay indoors, which is what they were doing anyway at 2 in the morning.

The ownership doesn't matter. It's not like they had to contact someone in NY. There was local staff in Minot, and they came in once they were contacted.

The real story in Minot was that the train was not supposed to be traveling in a populated area. Probably the same situation in Ohio, except the laws have changed.
 
Something I understand about the Minot situation is stations signed off at midnight at that time. We also have to consider the size of Minot. It is not a city in what we term a city. Minot is about 35,000 to 40,000. There would likely be one person news departments if locally owned and with all 5 in a cluster, perhaps a fulltime and part time news department. No station in Minot was rolling in money. In fact, at five stations, it is quite over-radioed. In addition, the local authorities never activated the EAS. Local stations cannot activate the EAS themselves. It is likely the police and city management had phone numbers of key people at these stations. At any rate, it would take some time to get people out of bed and down to the station to sign on the stations. A better bet would have been to contact KFYR in Bismarck that is heard clearly throughout the entire state.

That Clear Channel took it on the chin is undeserved.
 
There were Congressional hearings on this.

I recall there was an NTSB investigation but I don't remember Congressional hearings. Do you have a link to the details?

The real story in Minot was that the train was not supposed to be traveling in a populated area. Probably the same situation in Ohio, except the laws have changed.

That's not "the real story" with respect to radio's role. The criticism against Clear Channel would have been the same regardless of whether it was a train derailment or any other disaster, no matter what caused it.

Besides, based on a quick search it looks like the NTSB determined that the train crew was operating their train at the appropriate speed through the region and adhering to operating procedures, and I found no mention of the "real story" you suggest.
 
I recall there was an NTSB investigation but I don't remember Congressional hearings. Do you have a link to the details?

For some reason the link to the transcript isn't working, but here are the details:

January 30, 2003​
Senate Commerce Committee hearing on media ownership - L. Lowry Mays (Clear Channel), Edward Fritts (National Association of Broadcasters), Don Henley (Recording Artists Coalition), Robert Short (Short Broadcasting), and Jenny Toomey (Future of Music Coalition) testify.​
There were a series of hearings organized by Senator Dorgan in 2003 after the derailment. Here's another:

January 14, 2003​
Senate Commerce Committee hearing - Chairman Powell and Commissioners Abernathy, Adelstein, Copps, and Martin in attendance. Senators Ernest Hollings (D-SC), John McCain (R-AZ), Byron Dorgan (D-ND) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) are among the participants. Powell declares there won't be radical changes to the current media ownership rules in response to Senators' concerns. Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) cites Minot as an example of how consolidated media can negatively affect a local community.​
Besides, based on a quick search it looks like the NTSB determined that the train crew was operating their train at the appropriate speed through the region and adhering to operating procedures, and I found no mention of the "real story" you suggest.

I don't recall anyone questioning the speed of the train. The issue was that at the time, any train carrying hazardous materials had to inform local emergency officials in advance, and that didn't happen. From what I remember, the cargo was of a military nature, and they sought to sneak it through.
 
There were a series of hearings organized by Senator Dorgan in 2003 after the derailment. Here's another:

I thought you were referring to Congressional hearings about the train derailment. What happened in 2003 was Congress reacting to the FCC's vote to relax ownership limits even further. We all know how that ended - big media and its wealthy lobbyists won. We see the results of it in this forum every day.
 
I thought you were referring to Congressional hearings about the train derailment. What happened in 2003 was Congress reacting to the FCC's vote to relax ownership limits even further. We all know how that ended - big media and its wealthy lobbyists won. We see the results of it in this forum every day.

But Dorgan (who was from North Dakota) was convinced that the radio coverage of the Minot derailment was directly related to ownership rules. If you read the transcripts from those hearings, most of it is about Minot. It was total mythology. The deeper they got into this, the more they learned about how the brand new DHS rules had basically left out radio. All power was in the hands of local officials. They got lots of federal funding as a result. And ultimately those local officials screwed up when they tried to reach the radio station. This was the first major disaster that happened after the passage of the DHS Act, and it changed everything in terms of how radio dealt with these kinds of things.

Local radio ownership or local staffing won't help when the people at those stations don't get good and useful information.
 
Congress reacting to the FCC's vote to relax ownership limits even further. We all know how that ended - big media and its wealthy lobbyists won.

Actually that's not true at all. There have been no changes to radio ownership laws since the 96 act. Michael Powell was never able to make any changes in 2003. When the FCC attempted to loosen the rules in 2007, Dorgan issued a resolution of disapproval, and the FCC was ultimately forced to rescind its rules.

 
The criticism wasn't solely directed at the EAS failure. It was more broadly about the fact that during a power outage amid a major catastrophe, there was no emergency information being broadcast by any local radio station at all.
And back in the era of newspapers, they would have waited until the next edition came out.

Small markets have the disadvantage of depending on nearby larger markets for news, too. So the issue is whether coverage would have been any better in 1960 or so.

There are really two issues here: emergency advice/warning/notice to nearby residents and then straight news coverage. The immediate issue is the first one regarding warnings and evacuation. Today, the best method for that is through cellular phones. At the time of the incident, around 9 PM, radio listening is typically less than 3% of all people, so night radio coverage is not particularly useful. As it was the 8th derailment in 5 years in the area, it was not seen immediately as anything other than "same old same old". It took a while to realize that toxic chemicals were spilled and by then it was nearly midnight.
It turns out all of Minot's major radio stations were owned by Clear Channel, which at the time was leading the radio industry's movement toward replacing staff with automation, so there was no one in the building to answer the authorities' frantic phone calls when EAS failed.
Were they not owned by Clear Channel, they most likely would not have been on the air at that hour of the morning, and there would have been nobody there to turn them on and do a report. And, like essentially all smaller market stations that did run 24 hours a day, they would have been automated and, likely, using one of the remote services for logging and the like.

Even if there was somebody at one of the stations, they would have been a board op or a caretaker and unable to do any kind of report.
Critics rightfully asked, if Clear Channel had not owned all of Minot's five commercial stations — if they each had been locally owned and operated — wouldn't it have been five times more likely that first responders would have been able to reach at least one of them, connect to a real person, and tell the public what to do next?
And the answer, as I just detailed, is "no".
Keep in mind this was in 2002 when radio automation wasn't as widespread as it is today, but Clear Channel was a pioneer in using it to cut staff and costs. Emergency alerts were not yet being delivered to cell phones and it would be five years before the first iPhone was introduced.
By the mid-50's nearly every significant station had hard drive based computer controlled automation. A vast majority of smaller market stations used a satellite delivered music format, going back to the 80's.

I supervised my owner's first excursion into mainland US ownership in 1988, an AM and FM in Lake City, FL. From 6 PM to 6 AM both has satellite formats and remote logging and control. During the daytime, except for an AM drive and PM drive local news block and a phoned-in community calendar at noon (all mixed with music) there was generally just one person there during office hours.

That was nearly 35 year ago, and a decade and a half before the Minot incident.

Radio automation using tape on reels and in carts started being widely used right after the FCC mandated separate FM programming in the late 60's. Back then, someone had to be there for the logs and to change tapes... usually a college student who did their class work between reel changes and log entries.
Radio was still considered the primary source of information during an emergency, and the outrage over its failure in this situation was well warranted.
Again, in Minot the stations would not likely have been on the air, and if they were, they would have been taking satellite formats with remote monitoring or a caretaker who could not do any kind of reporting.
Now we have a similar incident in Ohio. It's unclear from this thread whether EAS was activated or local radio stations responded immediately with breaking news updates. It seems doubtful that either of these things occurred but everyone has become so accustomed to the lack of information via radio during an emergency it seems to elicit more of a shoulder shrug today. Fortunately, as bad as this incident was, it seems to have been less life threatening than the one in Minot 21 years ago where the chemicals being released were even worse.
Were a station in Youngstown to have become aware, it would have had to have news staff available and would first have had to find a way to verify the information. Today, stations get lots of fake news reports done as pranks or to further an agenda.

With radio revenue off over 60% since 2000, only in huge markets is there local news coverage all day long.

Let's go back nearly 60 years when I had 3 AM/FM combos and 2 stand-alone FMs in a market of over a million. I had no news department; if there was breaking news at any time of the day, we would have either continued to play music or done a simulcast of the government radio station. That's because, with over 40 full signal stations in the market, there were just 3 or 4 that had any kind of news department and my station at that time had no ability to cover news.

Finally, how soon were Youngstown or Pittsburgh TV stations on the story? Did they interrupt network or syndicated shows for a report, or did they hold it for the next regular newscast? News is one of the remaining profit centers for local TV and big local stories are their specialty.
 
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Actually that's not true at all. There have been no changes to radio ownership laws since the 96 act. Michael Powell was never able to make any changes in 2003. When the FCC attempted to loosen the rules in 2007, Dorgan issued a resolution of disapproval, and the FCC was ultimately forced to rescind its rules.

I think you're right and I'll admit FCC policy history is not my area of expertise, although I try to follow as best I can. Michael Powell almost did get his changes passed in 2003, though. The Congressional hearings you referred to led to the Senate voting to overturn his rules but the Republican-controlled House never voted, paving the way for them to take effect. Looking at your last link reminded me It was ultimately the courts that overturned the FCC rule rewrite. Then it all seems to have come up again in '07/'08. This stuff all becomes a bit of a blur after so many years.
 
Something I understand about the Minot situation is stations signed off at midnight at that time.
It appears that the FMs, at least, were on but nobody was at the facilities at the time. But that begs the question of "how many people in an agribusiness economy are up at 2 AM? The answer is, of course, zero to none.
We also have to consider the size of Minot. It is not a city in what we term a city. Minot is about 35,000 to 40,000. There would likely be one person news departments if locally owned and with all 5 in a cluster, perhaps a fulltime and part time news department.
And, in all probability, much of the news came out of Bismark. Minot is not even a rated market. It's hard to imagine having great resources in a county that had just over 60,000 people and 9 radio stations dividing limited revenue.
No station in Minot was rolling in money. In fact, at five stations, it is quite over-radioed. In addition, the local authorities never activated the EAS.
And that was because they were not trained and did not know how to do it.
Local stations cannot activate the EAS themselves. It is likely the police and city management had phone numbers of key people at these stations. At any rate, it would take some time to get people out of bed and down to the station to sign on the stations. A better bet would have been to contact KFYR in Bismarck that is heard clearly throughout the entire state.
And even then, KFYR was set up to begin its morning farm and news coverage at around 5 AM. At the time of the accident, there was probably nobody at the station or nearby.
 
What would be interesting to know is how often such chemicals and substances are shipped. Based on seeing tanker cars with the various "dangerous" codes on the main Los Angeles / Long Beach rail route along I-10 in the Palm Springs area, I'd say this is enormously frequent.


I also see dangerous chemicals shipped by tanker truck, and they can be identified with the diamond shaped code lettering.
When I dispatched for a local police/fire dept and had an incident with either a truck or train that had a UN number [say like back of a gas tanker truck, UN number 1203--or whatever it actually is] I could go into a federal database and run whatever info I needed to get from that number. This explains a little about it: Hazmat Placards and UN Numbers: What You Need to Know
And believe me, we had incidents all the time. A chemical plant in our jurisdiction was always having issues. I was driving home from work and got behind one of their trucks and it was leaking bleach all over. By the time I got it called in, it was out of our jurisdiction but we put out a TTY and it got pulled over by a state trooper and all hell broke loose....hazmat units called, highway shut down, a huge mess.
 
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And back in the era of newspapers, they would have waited until the next edition came out.
And nowadays? They moved the printing of our formerly Pulitzer Prize winning paper to one plant that is printing FIVE other papers for various cities. Their deadline used to be midnight, then moved up to 10 PM, it's now 7 PM. So when do most pro/college/high school sports take place? Mostly in the evening around 7, except for college/pro which have games weekend afternoons, sometimes. So good luck seeing it in the NEXT day's paper. It's usually two to two and half days later before it's in the paper and since they don't put out a paper on Mondays, sometimes THREE days. That's if they even bother to send a sports reporter out to cover it, or any reporter to cover anything. Their staffing is so bad that a few years ago they asked for coaches or citizens to write up a story about the game/government coverage or whatever and send it in. THAT blew up in their faces. Their defense is "Well you can pay for a digital edition and read it on your computer." Their website is so F'd up that I'm not going to do that cause it gives me a headache plus they only print little blurbs about what happened, no longer story about the incident at all.
 
My understanding is that in the wake of Minot, Clear Channel installed a "bunker" in Cincinnati that all of the "hotline" calls from public officials coast to coast could ring into to, as well as monitoring building alarms, etc, and someone could go on the air and/or arouse local staff.
 
Believe it or not, another Norfolk Southern train derailment in Ohio this evening. This time it's in the Dayton suburb of Springfield where social media reports indicate 20-30 cars are piled up off the tracks and a shelter in place order has just been issued by local officials.

Since it's fun to hear how local radio responds in emergencies now, this is what is currently streaming on the Dayton "News" stations:
WHIO - "Best-of" the evening edge (Yes, a taped replay)
WIZE - BIN canned network talk
 
Believe it or not, another Norfolk Southern train derailment in Ohio this evening. This time it's in the Dayton suburb of Springfield where social media reports indicate 20-30 cars are piled up off the tracks and a shelter in place order has just been issued by local officials.

Since it's fun to hear how local radio responds in emergencies now, this is what is currently streaming on the Dayton "News" stations:
WHIO - "Best-of" the evening edge (Yes, a taped replay)
WIZE - BIN canned network talk
WHIO is usually on it, they do have a radio news staff and co-owned TV station.
 
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