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2024 Ford Mustang Drops AM Radio From Infotainment

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cc333 said:
Same here!

As a group, I've noticed that many Gen Z-ers seem either unfamiliar or uncomfortable with this concept, perhaps because they haven't been exposed to it so much?

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Exactly.

This is like a lot of things. Imagine if a Gen Z-er pulled up to a gas station and three neatly-uniformed people ran up to the car, one began pumping gas, another checking the pressure in the tires and another checking the fluid levels under the hood.

We used to think that was what happened at a gas station. It's outside their experience.

For me, it'd be walking up to a counter at the grocery store, telling the person what I needed (bread, coffee, cereal) and standing there, while they took those things off a shelf behind the counter. For my grandmother, that was normal.
 
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vchimpanzee said:
I see more Dodge Chargers than anything else. That's what the town I live in has.

The Caprice wasn't made for a long time then it made a comeback as a cop car. "Magnum, PI" has them.
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Quite a lot can go into choosing police vehicles. The California Highway Patrol has a rigorous testing procedure, and its own track and driving school near Sacramento.

Looking for specifics, I found this fun piece on CHP's testing---from 1958:

Testing Police Specials in 1958
 
michael hagerty said:
Quick explanation of Spotify, because it looks like a lot of people here haven't had much/any experience with it:

Spotify is basically a giant library of pretty much every recording currently commercially available in the United States (it varies depending on which country you're in, because copyright and music licensing does too). You can access it for free. If you do, it will play advertising between---NEVER during---songs. One to four minutes per hour---so, shorter than a single commercial radio spot break. It will play them separately, not in a cluster, so people who say radio should go back to four shorter spot breaks an hour can test that theory.

So---the music. 80 million plus tracks. You can grab entire albums and put them in your library. You can grab specific songs (think singles) and put them in your library. You can listen to pre-programmed playlists (dozens of them, from dozens of genres). You can make your own playlists from songs that you've either saved into your own library or songs you're browsing.

And you can make what they call "radio stations" by picking a song or two and having the algorithm create an open-ended playlist that builds off of that. Having programmed radio stations, it usually frustrates me within four or five songs ("Why THAT?"), but your mileage may vary.



The way I made it make sense when I first used Spotify ten years ago was:

Playing back whole albums---that's like 8-tracks in my car in the 70s or CDs in the 90s.

Playlists of different songs---that's like the cassette mixtapes in my car in the 80s.



There are a couple of drawbacks to free Spotify beyond the ads. One is you have a limited number of skips per hour---six. If you don't like a song, hit the "next" button. But after the sixth, you're stuck until the next hour, when you get six more. Also, using free Spotify, album playback defaults to shuffle. You'll hear all the songs, but not in the same order as the original album and not the same way the next time you hear it either.

If those drive you nuts, Spotify Premium is ad-free, allows unlimited skips and plays the albums the way you want. It's $9.99 a month and there's a student rate of $4.99.

Apple Music is very similar, except there is no free ad-supported tier and all the music is high-resolution (Spotify's been struggling to get that done for months).

I switched from Spotify to Apple Music last year and am very happy with it. Part of that is that I use the playlist function for organization and playback of my aircheck collection and it's a much cleaner interface for that than Spotify's.

As for paying for it, for less than the cost of one CD per month, I have access to literally everything that's available.
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When Spotify first came out I was very excited. I thought about how cool it would be to have access to such a large library of content, and be able to listen to whatever I want, whenever I want it, wherever i am. While I distinctly remember trying it, I must have not liked it because I never really used it again. I’ve definitely met people who exclusively use Spotify, and would look at you like you’re crazy if you don’t. My friend made an account for me, connected it to their account, and then added all of the classic rock/hits songs that I listen to. I used it for all of one day, and then was immediately back to listening to the radio. They were basically in disbelief when they heard I was listening to the radio again.

There are definitely situations where I have used Spotify, however. I moved to different city where there’s not much on the radio that interests me. I’ll usually just listen to the radio stations from home with the Grundig radio on my desk (which seems to be in the perfect position to barely pick up stations 150 miles away). I’d listen to the internet stream, but that doesn’t work because I live in Canada at the moment and am trying to access content from the good old USA.

I am sure there will come a day where I do have to rely more on streaming, but it’s just not something I seem to like as much as terrestrial radio.
 
fordranger797 said:
When Spotify first came out I was very excited. I thought about how cool it would be to have access to such a large library of content, and be able to listen to whatever I want, whenever I want it, wherever i am. While I distinctly remember trying it, I must have not liked it because I never really used it again. I’ve definitely met people who exclusively use Spotify, and would look at you like you’re crazy if you don’t. My friend made an account for me, connected it to their account, and then added all of the classic rock/hits songs that I listen to. I used it for all of one day, and then was immediately back to listening to the radio. They were basically in disbelief when they heard I was listening to the radio again.

There are definitely situations where I have used Spotify, however. I moved to different city where there’s not much on the radio that interests me. I’ll usually just listen to the radio stations from home with the Grundig radio on my desk (which seems to be in the perfect position to barely pick up stations 150 miles away). I’d listen to the internet stream, but that doesn’t work because I live in Canada at the moment and am trying to access content from the good old USA.

I am sure there will come a day where I do have to rely more on streaming, but it’s just not something I seem to like as much as terrestrial radio.
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I mean, ultimately, I don't see Spotify or Apple Music as replacements for radio. I use them like I used a tape deck or CD player back in the day. Nothing great on the radio at the moment? Song I want to hear nobody plays on air? That's Spotify/Apple Music.

But it's worth remembering that not just this generation, but several generations---all the way back to the 50s---a majority of people have been telling radio it talks too much---to "shut up and play the music". And for those people, I can see where this is preferable to live radio.
 
CriteriaSpotify Target Audience
AgeMainly 18-24 years
Total markets178+
GenderMore men than women
Top countriesThe USA, Europe, Latin America, North America
 
michael hagerty said:
But it's worth remembering that not just this generation, but several generations---all the way back to the 50s---a majority of people have been telling radio it talks too much---to "shut up and play the music". And for those people, I can see where this is preferable to live radio.
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Over the bazillion years of anecdotal and actual hard research, I've seen two distinct listener camps that for the most part are pretty evenly split:
1. For God's sake, shut up and just play music!
2. I like personality added to music, or via a larger show within my music station.
 
Kelly A said:
Over the bazillion years of anecdotal and actual hard research, I've seen two distinct listener camps that for the most part are pretty evenly split:
1. For God's sake, shut up and just play music!
2. I like personality added to music, or via a larger show within my music station.
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And which is the larger camp?
 
vchimpanzee said:
I've forgotten where I saw certain vehicles didn't qualify.

However, I've seen Taurus in one town and they don't look wide enough.
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The troubles with the Explorer were really unfortunate. The front seat of most contemporary sedans are tight and there's a lot of equipment that needs to go up there. However, tech is catching up, there's no need for a full-sized laptop mounted to the dashboard now---it can be done with a tablet, so if departments have to go to Dodge Chargers, they can (Ford and Chevy have discontinued their full-size sedans).
 
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They haven't, actually.
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They have. The Taurus walked the plank four years ago. Ford no longer makes a sedan of any size. It's the Mustang, the Mustang Mach-E, SUVs, , F-Series pickups and Transit vans.

Chevy killed the Caprices you see on Magnum, P.I. back in 2017 and the Impala in 2020. Their lone remaining sedan, the Malibu, is smaller than the Dodge Charger and not offered in police spec.
 
michael hagerty said:
The troubles with the Explorer were really unfortunate. The front seat of most contemporary sedans are tight and there's a lot of equipment that needs to go up there. However, tech is catching up, there's no need for a full-sized laptop mounted to the dashboard now---it can be done with a tablet, so if departments have to go to Dodge Chargers, they can (Ford and Chevy have discontinued their full-size sedans).
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Yes but the smaller tablet means when officers are sitting around surfing porn, the image is that much smaller.
 
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