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NPR temporarily stopped it's twitter accounts in a "state-media" beef with Elon Musk

Really? So not that he ever would, but say Elon bought a radio group and decided to 24/7 carried programming with him blathering on about crypto, rockets, nutty conspiracy theories, and whatever else came to his mind. Wouldn't that be the same thing?
That would be a group of stations I would never listen to!

He's certainly throwing a tantrum.
In my opinion, he's an overgrown infant: hugely immature, prone to lashing out indiscriminately when he doesn't get what he wants when he wants it, and has impulse control and attention span so bad that the average toddler can do better without even trying!

I mean, he's from South Africa, isn't he?
That means he can't run for president, which I think is a good thing! (if he could run, and by some stroke of remarkably bad luck he won, imagine what would happen if he did to the nation what he's doing to Twitter................).

Apparently today Musk is shutting off bot access. National Weather Service offices and Bay Area Rapid Transit are reporting on Mastodon that they're unable to post automated tweets containing various alerts, including weather warnings.
What on earth is this man thinking? I mean, sure, all those warnings can be found virtually everywhere else if people bother to look, but why is he deliberately blocking access to something so important for public safety?

It probably won't have a very meaningful impact, but it's setting a concerning precedent.

At this point, I am beginning to strongly dislike Teslas, not just because Musk is the owner/CEO/whatever else he does, but because objectively, they're not very good cars.

When, for many years, they were the only practical EV on the market at any price, there wasn't a choice if one wanted an EV, but now there's no reason to buy a Tesla when one can get a Chevy Bolt (along with an increasingly large number of alternatives) on the low end or, an Audi or Volkswagen on the high end. In both cases, the cars are objectively better than Teslas (and they don't automatically crash themselves into ambulances with flashing lights!)

Or perhaps not, but does it matter? Choice is good, and people will decide for themselves which make and model of EV best suits their needs (in the same way the automobile market has worked for literally 100+ years now!)

For some reason, Musk is immensely and irrationally livid over this fact; that his company isn't the only one making EVs anymore is not wrong – it's simply the capitalist market doing what capitalist markets do, and I think it's stupid for him to throw a tantrum over it (that very same market did make him much of his wealth, after all, so it's not like this will hurt him).

As for politically, I don't really care much for NPR, but I could say the same of most of the other news outlets to various extents.

Honestly, the vitriol gets so intense on both the right and the left that I basically ignore it all. I don't care who says what and why. I just want the facts.

That said, I identify nominally as a mildly conservative democrat, leaning to the left on some issues (environment, social safety net, accountability, gun laws, etc.) and somewhat to the right on others (taxes, budget, regulations), and can usually find some point to agree with from pretty much anyone in any party so long as their positions are reasonable and understandable. By and large, I've observed after various fact checks that democrats tend to be more understandable and reasonable than republicans (especially on big things like climate and gun laws), but that doesn't mean all republicans are unreasonable. Take Mitt Romney, for example. While I don't agree with him 100% on everything, I feel that he is pretty fair and reasonable much of the time. I also felt the same about the late John McCain.

Some of these newcomers, on the other hand, I don't know. Lauren Boebart? MTG? Try as I might, I cannot understand anything they say! They just come across as nonsensical zealots to me.

This is where I stand. Take it or leave it.

As for radio (which is ostensibly the subject here, I think?):

Radio didn't have to be reduced to the useless heap that it seems to have become. I think a series of bad decisions and too much consolidation harmed the credibility and integrity of most news departments, and due to unreasonably extreme budget cuts, most places don't even have news departments anymore, instead opting to syndicate some kind of national news instead. Obviously, this can lead to some rather glaring holes in coverage, which can actually be fatal in some cases (such as the recent example @spiritof67 laid out). Of course, this has implications with regard to funding from advertisers and listeners. If you are a station that alleges to provide important local "news" and you botch something as basic and important as a tornado alert, it's pretty logical that you're gonna lose listeners regardless of what band you're on.

And as for those stations that are slowly going under and being converted to religious outlets by entities such as EMF, Relevant Radio, etc., well, how many religious people are there in a given area? I'm sure there are many, but there are also many others who aren't, and in my opinion this is just a gross waste of a valuable public resource and a disservice to a public that would be much better served by, I dunno, something that is actually important? That's not to say that religion isn't important, but it really bothers me that these religious groups keep gobbing up every station they can find, just to completely blast every square inch of every market with their programming when there's absolutely no need to.

I mean, I'm not against religion at all, but how much is too much? Why must all forms of terrestrial broadcast be completely consumed by these religious juggernauts? It would probably be wrong to call it propaganda, which is a rather strong and heavily loaded term, but it's beginning to feel that way a bit, considering how ubiquitous and inescapable it is becoming.

Tying this back in to the topic at hand, NPR, PBS, the BBC, nor any of their affiliates are "government affiliated" or "state funded" propaganda, and for Musk to label them as such is stupid and only serves to damage their credibility and make a point of how angry and bitter he is over.... absolutely nothing whatsoever.

OK, I'll stop now.

c
 
Tying this back in to the topic at hand, NPR, PBS, the BBC, nor any of their affiliates are "government affiliated" or "state funded" propaganda, and for Musk to label them as such is stupid and only serves to damage their credibility and make a point of how angry and bitter he is over.... absolutely nothing whatsoever.

OK, I'll stop now.

c
I think a lot of people are going to realize or already think that Musk's credibility is damaged from this, not NPR/PBS/BBC, etc. Too bad Glen Littleton didn't succeed in his recent lawsuit against Musk & Tesla regarding Musk's credibility:
 
I think a series of bad decisions and too much consolidation harmed the credibility and integrity of most news departments, and due to unreasonably extreme budget cuts, most places don't even have news departments anymore, instead opting to syndicate some kind of national news instead.

I don't understand your point of how consolidation affected news credibility & integrity. The audience's views on news isn't much different than their views on music: They like what they like and they want what they want. It doesn't matter how much money a station spends on news. NPR is the perfect example.
 
I think a lot of people are going to realize or already think that Musk's credibility is damaged from this, not NPR/PBS/BBC, etc. Too bad Glen Littleton didn't succeed in his recent lawsuit against Musk & Tesla regarding Musk's credibility:
True Unless Elon Musk sues or makes a claim Reuters and Associated Press committed defamation on him this is going nowhere. This rant Elon Musk is making on public media is nothing more than Elon Musk going in the direction of Mike Lindell.

I seen some PBS affiliates on their homepage not even mention that they have a Social Media Page but instead put more emphasis on the PBS App on for their TV's.

NPR Affiliates the same their app or website.


We cannot find anything specific on NPR or PBS showing that they did defamation on Musk or his group. PBS specifically cited AP News on their coverage on Musk legal issues.
 
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I don't understand your point of how consolidation affected news credibility & integrity. The audience's views on news isn't much different than their views on music: They like what they like and they want what they want. It doesn't matter how much money a station spends on news. NPR is the perfect example.
Yeah, I was pretty tired by the time I wrote that, so I probably wasn't making a ton of sense. I don't really understand my point either!

I was trying to use it as some kind of example I think, but I don't think it worked that well....

Cc, based on what you wrote, you may just be considered an ‘outlier’ like myself and a few others who post here.
I think so! My views aren't exactly uncommon, but it feels like it sometimes.

At this point, places along the west coast like San Francisco are getting too far to the left, and other places like the south and midwest are too far to the right, and I'm feeling that my relatively centrist beliefs don't really fit in anywhere anymore. Isn't there a middle ground anywhere?

c
 
Yeah, I was pretty tired by the time I wrote that, so I probably wasn't making a ton of sense. I don't really understand my point either!

I was trying to use it as some kind of example I think, but I don't think it worked that well....


I think so! My views aren't exactly uncommon, but it feels like it sometimes.

At this point, places along the west coast like San Francisco are getting too far to the left, and other places like the south and midwest are too far to the right, and I'm feeling that my relatively centrist beliefs don't really fit in anywhere anymore. Isn't there a middle ground anywhere?

c
My state and county government consider me their sworn enemy for not being a MAGA extremist, and I think I'm still relatively moderate.
 
My state and county government consider me their sworn enemy for not being a MAGA extremist, and I think I'm still relatively moderate.
Where I live the representative in the state legislature, which has been known for being too conservative in recent years, voted in favor of Medicaid expansion. Over ten years ago, Obamacare was supposed to provide health care for those under a certain income through Medicaid, not subsidized insurance. NC refused, until now.

And one of our local country commissioners, named Brandon, thinks the man betrayed us. What does he expect people to do for health care?
 
Where I live the representative in the state legislature, which has been known for being too conservative in recent years, voted in favor of Medicaid expansion. Over ten years ago, Obamacare was supposed to provide health care for those under a certain income through Medicaid, not subsidized insurance. NC refused, until now.

And one of our local country commissioners, named Brandon, thinks the man betrayed us. What does he expect people to do for health care?
Get more bootstraps or die for the economy.
 
Name any media stock that's top of it's game. Just because a stock trades low, doesn't mean it's close to insolvency, no more than any station group success is measured by a single station' 6+ ratings.
That's the problem. Broadcasters got complacent, and decided not to innovate. That left other advertising platforms to undercut them, like facebook, google, twitter, etc.
As it is with any public or religious radio. The more coverage, the better the chance you have to find donors. Religious radio groups are the only ones with free cash available these days to buy up stations. I've sold two of my stations to religious organizations.
It's part of what I said earlier too. It's why WPLJ and Relevant shill for Jesus now, and raise money for Catholic Archdiocese defense lawyers.
HAL from 2001 was from 1969. Windows XP/Vista was in the 90's. Please explain how AI will be voice-tracking. This should be interesting.
I thought you would appreciate that one a bit more--apparently it didn't land as intended. I was thinking of something in real time as opposed to the 1968 film. Had Hal really existed in 2001, XP and Vista would have been the OS that created the O.G. that wouldn't open those pod bay doors for Dave. Recently there's been talk of ChatGPT being deployed to voice track radio. OK fine, perhaps their audience demos will be other artificial intelligence devices too. Hal would be 20 year old tech then if Kubrick's movie was accurate. Gotta wonder if AI will be a money demo down the road. What kind of music and talk shows appeal to psychotic AI's anyway?
So, in your view, smartphones, streaming, or changing consumer habits have nothing to do with it?
Broadcasters spent so much time not innovating in the 1990s and early 2000s behaving like a monopoly, thinking the existing car dashboard would stay the same. The NAB looked the other way when the DMCA got passed, hoping to hobble streaming by adding extra fees to non broadcast streams, then crying foul when the RIAA started asking for their idea of (covid cough) 'fairness' regardless of analog or digital being the delivery method. I like streaming myself--it gives me more options than my local market provides. But then again, I'm an outlier who likes music beyond "Hotel California" and "Dreams" bring played like a recurrent.

Let us remember how broadcasters tried to plead, beg, and then force FM chips in phones, and manufacturers of said smartphones said, 'no thank you.' Again, phones are Apple and Google's platform, and what gets put on them is their call.

Radio basically phoned-it-in when it came to digital, hoping all of it would just go away, and some grumbled their way into HD. Besides being a place to rebroadcast a translator, and get around market caps, that idea has been a bust.

To me, radio was an original social network, and offered a great mechanism for advertisers to connect with listeners. It still could be. It isn't when 'Fred's Bank' is in minute 8 of a 12 minute cluster. Those are the brilliant minds to which I was referring. Now Spotify and Pandora get to offer that, in a more targeted way, with fewer interruptions for those who want an ad-based service.

Broadcasters that stream online could offer an idea better. Since they have to advertise, perhaps ask (yes, ask) their listeners what kind of advertisers they want (and are in the market for) during their commercial breaks, and are in the market to use. Think of it the way Spotify picks music, except with ads during said commercial cluster.

Hell, what am I thinking. It's radio. They don't innovate.


 
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That's the problem. Broadcasters got complacent, and decided not to innovate. That left other advertising platforms to undercut them, like facebook, google, twitter, etc.

Radio is not one thing. There are thousands of owners. They did different things. It depends on what you consider "innovation." In the 90s, Clear Channel invested in satellite radio. Other companies invested in something called HD Radio. So it wasn't a lack of innovation. Different companies were looking at lots of different things.

The NAB looked the other way when the DMCA got passed, hoping to hobble streaming by adding extra fees to non broadcast streams, then crying foul when the RIAA started asking for their idea of (covid cough) 'fairness' regardless of analog or digital being the delivery method.

You forget that the main issue there was file sharing and Napster. People were stealing music and sharing it for free. The idea of charging a digital royalty to broadcasters didn't come until 10 years later. This didn't all just happen at once. It was a long process.

Let us remember how broadcasters tried to plead, beg, and then force FM chips in phones, and manufacturers of said smartphones said, 'no thank you.' Again, phones are Apple and Google's platform, and what gets put on them is their call.

Do you do business with China? That's where the phone companies are based. There was a time when Americans controlled the hardware. You had RCA and other US based companies that made radios. That changed in the 60s when manufacturing moved to Japan. Then it moved to Korea. Now it's in China. The US doesn't control the hardware. Companies like Apple and Google deal with Chinese companies to get their hardware. Radio companies got out of the hardware business in the 80s. The consumer electronics business stopped innovating in the 90s. That's when they stopped making radios and switched to phones. The CES didn't support HD Radio. The CES didn't really support satellite radio. It's a very complicated situation.
Broadcasters that stream online could offer an idea better. Since they have to advertise, perhaps ask (yes, ask) their listeners what kind of advertisers they want (and are in the market for) during their commercial breaks, and are in the market to use. Think of it the way Spotify picks music, except with ads during said commercial cluster.

People don't use Spotify for curated music. They use it to replace their music collection. Two different things. Same with other digital music services. They use them to avoid commercials and DJs. The people on this board want more traditional radio, more localism, and more of radio the way it was when they were kids. That's not going to happen. The environment is different. We live in an on-demand world. That's where radio is going. Less linear, more on-demand. You want innovation? That means you have to change your definitions of what radio is. Because innovation means everything changes.
 



Here is another one the other Elon Musk Related company SpaceX delays its launch.
 

It's crazier than that now given that a member of Parliament is ranting about the CBC in the same way Lauren Boebert rants about NPR for some reason.

OTTAWA, April 17 (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday accused Conservative rival Pierre Poilievre of enlisting U.S. billionaires to attack Canada's public broadcaster, after Poilievre prodded Twitter owner Elon Musk to label the CBC "government-funded."

Poilievre said on Twitter last week that he had written to Musk to request that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation be labeled "accurately". On Sunday, some CBC Twitter feeds started carrying the label "government-funded Media".

Poilievre, who took over the party last year and is campaigning to defund the CBC, celebrated the decision, saying on Twitter that "now people know that it is Trudeau propaganda, not news".
 
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It's crazier than that now given that a member of Parliament is ranting about the CBC in the same way Lauren Boebert rants about NPR for some reason.
Just another symptom of the same overall problem, I guess.

And the problem is almost a hatred of government so intense that the haters will get themselves elected just so they can tear it apart from within.

I don't understand it. Without government we have anarchy. And nobody wants anarchy — except them, it seems (I don't think they either know or care to know that, unfortunately).

And like it or not, the government is the way it is for very specific and important reasons, and it needs to be left alone. There are ways of changing it that are (mostly) codified and delineated in the Constitution and elsewhere, so if you want something changed, you go there. You don't swing at it with an axe or a sledgehammer, and most of all, you do not incite violence by encouraging angry supporters! This is the kind of thing people have to do in various 3rd world countries around the world because their governments are extremely corrupt, and their laws are extremely unjust. We here don't have that problem so far, though we may get there if these idiots continue on this crusade of theirs.

Anyway, back on topic: The CBC is publicly funded like NPR, isn't it? I kind of thought that it was at least partly government funded, but now I'm not so sure.

Nevertheless, maybe they should actually get MORE funding, so they'll have more wherewithal to counteract the flood of misinformation.

c
 

Elon Musk is claiming to have a competitor to ChatGPT. Note this is being hyped to get investors interested for now.

Elon Musk has confirmed reports that he's planning to create an AI startup to build a rival to ChatGPT.

Musk announced his plans in his forthcoming interview on Fox News Channel's "Tucker Carlson Tonight." Fox published some excerpts of the interview Monday morning.

"I'm going to start something which I call 'TruthGPT,' or a maximum truth-seeking AI that tries to understand the nature of the universe," Musk said. "And I think this might be the best path to safety, in the sense that an AI that cares about understanding the universe, it is unlikely to annihilate humans because we are an interesting part of the universe."

The Tesla and Twitter CEO said elsewhere in the interview that he believed AI had the potential, "however small," of "civilization destruction."
 
It's crazier than that now given that a member of Parliament is ranting about the CBC in the same way Lauren Boebert rants about NPR for some reason.

Canada is heavily influenced by American culture. The Conservatives have taken a lot of cues from MAGA as seen from the trucker convoy last year. Unfortunately it looks like some political extremists have made it into office there too.

As for the CBC, it is taxpayer funded but editorially independent. Hardly comparable to state-run propaganda media in authoritarian countries.
 
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