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Changes at KIXI

$20/month seems hefty for one radio station. Public radio and public tv memberships start at about $60/yesr (if my memory is correct). So maybe $5/month but not $20/month
To David's point above, if the available audience is only 20,000 persons, and on average non-comms see only 10% of the count as actual donors, your only choice is to take donations in an amount that at least keeps the lights on. In other words, $20 would be too low.
Ultimately the lesson is: If you want something your way, you should be prepared to support it too.
 
$20/month seems hefty for one radio station. Public radio and public tv memberships start at about $60/yesr (if my memory is correct). So maybe $5/month but not $20/month

Theres no way KIXI would survive on donations
 
The land is owned City of Bellevue Parks department, a land lease is in effect
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The KIXI site was constructed and placed into operation in 1962. "
I'm not 100% sure on that. I remember an ongoing effort by Wally Nelskog to boost KIXI to 50kw -- and it kept getting denied. He finally requested to license it to Mercer Island and the FCC caved with the COL change. I am thinking that was early 1980's -- and it was my recollection the new towers went into service at that time in the swamp. But I don't know where the xmitter was before that -- MAYBE in the same location? Most of my memory is tied to KIXI-FM (now KJEB) because they were in 801 Pine tower (the round apartments that look like a mini-Westin) and had an STL to Cougar Mtn. KYYX piggybacked on that STL to shoot to their tower, also on Cougar.
 
Can an AM Adult Standards station,with no FM presence, that is supported by donations from listeners be successful? The answer is YES. And I will offer proof of it.

WAVO Charlotte, NC was part of a 3 station cluster owned by a religious broadcaster. WAVO would play Adult Standards beginning at 10am, first airing the Bill Bennet conservative talk show, then sign off at 10pm, I believe. Nighttime power was only 60 watts, and didn't cover the market. Well, one day the owner went on the air and announced the format was going to end, as the company no longer wanted to foot the bill, as it was never profitable from day one. He did offer a solution, if enough listeners donated to reach the amount (I don't recall the dollar amount) needed over the course of a year to run WAVO, it would stay exactly the same, and still air Bill Bennet. They not only reached, but surpassed that goal. This model continued for awhile. But due to the owner's age and health, he had to exit the radio business and sell all the stations.

Two current, successful examples, are WKHR, a non comm FM Big Band/Standards that rimshots Cleveland. And a personal fave that I have donated money to, over the years, is KNCT-FM Killeen, TX, as they are the last "true" Beautiful Music that streams at no charge. KAHM's stream is a monthly $10 subscription fee.
 
I'm not 100% sure on that. I remember an ongoing effort by Wally Nelskog to boost KIXI to 50kw -- and it kept getting denied. He finally requested to license it to Mercer Island and the FCC caved with the COL change. I am thinking that was early 1980's -- and it was my recollection the new towers went into service at that time in the swamp. But I don't know where the xmitter was before that -- MAYBE in the same location? Most of my memory is tied to KIXI-FM (now KJEB) because they were in 801 Pine tower (the round apartments that look like a mini-Westin) and had an STL to Cougar Mtn. KYYX piggybacked on that STL to shoot to their tower, also on Cougar.


“Two other changes have occurred to the transmitting systems which did not involve any changes in the physical arrangements or configuration of the antenna towers. KIXI in 1983 changed frequency from 910 kHz to 880 kHz, and was authorized to increase its power, in two steps, to 50 kilowatts (kW) daytime and 10 kW nighttime.”
 
Let’s pretend for one second that KIXI continues to play music, which seems fairly likely. What music should they play? It seems like everyone has an opinion about what they shouldn’t play, but what would work on 880? If I were programming it, I’d try something like this (as a sample):

The Eagles - Take it Easy
Rupert Holmes - Pina Colada Song
Fleetwood Mac - Little Lies
The Supremes - Can’t Hurry Love
Chi Lites - Oh Girl
Bread - Make it With You
Carly Simon - You’re So Vein
The Beatles - Hey Jude
The Vouges - Five O’clock World
Air Supply - Making Love (out of nothing at all)
Kim Carnes - Bette Davis Eyes
America - Sister Golden Hair
Steely Dan - Peg
Toto - Hold the Line
Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown
Player - Baby Come Back
Steve Miller Band - The Joker
King Harvest - Dancing in the Moonlight
Bee Gees - Night Fever
Wild Cherry - Play that Funky Music
Donna Summer - Hot Stuff
10cc - I’m Not in Love
Neil Young - Heart of Gold
James Taylor - Fire and Rain
Stevie Wonder - Superstition
Neil Diamond - Kentucky Woman
Cat Stevens - Wild World
Chic - Good Times
Elvis Presley - Burnin Love
Bob Dylan - Like a Rollin Stone

I know the naysayers will say it won’t work, but I could see it working. You’ve got crossover with 95.7, you dive into songs that are just slightly outside of the classic hits demographic, and you can still reach into the 1960’s for certain tracks that have lasting appeal. Clearly, major radio stations like KRTH 101.1 in Los Angeles won’t play music like that, but people seem to forget they were playing this music not that long ago and people were indeed listening. Certainly, this strategy is no worse than what they (KIXI) are doing now. I’d listen to music like this over music with virtually no appeal at all in 2023.
 
On KIXI’s list of ways to listen.


“Want to listen “Old School”

There’s nothing quite like the warm, amplitude modulated sound of KIXI on the AM band at 880KHz.”


But listed after, the app, online, on KWRM-HD2.

Ironically the HD2 host station is “Warm 106.9”

Yes AM is dead, but it’s warm at least.
 
Can an AM Adult Standards station,with no FM presence, that is supported by donations from listeners be successful? The answer is YES. And I will offer proof of it.

WAVO Charlotte, NC was part of a 3 station cluster owned by a religious broadcaster. WAVO would play Adult Standards beginning at 10am, first airing the Bill Bennet conservative talk show, then sign off at 10pm, I believe. Nighttime power was only 60 watts, and didn't cover the market. Well, one day the owner went on the air and announced the format was going to end, as the company no longer wanted to foot the bill, as it was never profitable from day one. He did offer a solution, if enough listeners donated to reach the amount (I don't recall the dollar amount) needed over the course of a year to run WAVO, it would stay exactly the same, and still air Bill Bennet. They not only reached, but surpassed that goal. This model continued for awhile. But due to the owner's age and health, he had to exit the radio business and sell all the stations.

Two current, successful examples, are WKHR, a non comm FM Big Band/Standards that rimshots Cleveland. And a personal fave that I have donated money to, over the years, is KNCT-FM Killeen, TX, as they are the last "true" Beautiful Music that streams at no charge. KAHM's stream is a monthly $10 subscription fee.

WKHR uses all volunteers and is owned by a school district.. so not a fair comparison.

And can most adult standards station survive on their own as a stand alone commercial station? no.

I worked for a 3 station cluster, the heritage am in the region... oldest signal in the area.. 60+ years old, 1kw AM full time with big translator....... couldnt pay its own bills... had it been a stand alone, it owuldve gone dark years ago
 
Let’s pretend for one second that KIXI continues to play music, which seems fairly likely. What music should they play? It seems like everyone has an opinion about what they shouldn’t play, but what would work on 880? If I were programming it, I’d try something like this (as a sample):


And being on AM vs. your competitors on FM, wouldn't be a problem?
So in other words; you would program the station based on your personal favorites? Why doesn't that surprise me.
Okay, then if you didn't run KIXI, would you donate $20 a month for at least two years if they played your own personal favorites?
 
And being on AM vs. your competitors on FM, wouldn't be a problem?
So in other words; you would program the station based on your personal favorites? Why doesn't that surprise me.
Okay, then if you didn't run KIXI, would you donate $20 a month for at least two years if they played your own personal favorites?
It has nothing to do whatsoever with my personal favourites. The question was simple: if KIXI continues to play music as their primary programming, what music makes the most sense to play? In my opinion, they need to concentrate on music that is likely to have more appeal than what they have now. I think more of a soft oldies approach could work, since 94.1 has been a huge success with a classic AC format. They’ll never have the appeal of a full market FM with an AC format, but they could steal a few listeners. They’re not going to be able to get away with shifting their playlist to anything too new, but they can get away with playing music that was popular on AM when it came out.

I find it strange that they’ve chained themselves to some of these old tracks with little appeal to anyone under 70. I doubt that they’ll make any changes, but continuing down this path seems like a very bad decision. It seems like Hubbard is trying to invest in some more local programming, why not try to position the station more strategically?
 
It has nothing to do whatsoever with my personal favourites. The question was simple: if KIXI continues to play music as their primary programming, what music makes the most sense to play? In my opinion, they need to concentrate on music that is likely to have more appeal than what they have now.
But that's my point; more appeal to who? Wouldn't you want to do actual market music research rather than injecting your own preferences?
I think more of a soft oldies approach could work, since 94.1 has been a huge success with a classic AC format. They’ll never have the appeal of a full market FM with an AC format, but they could steal a few listeners. They’re not going to be able to get away with shifting their playlist to anything too new, but they can get away with playing music that was popular on AM when it came out.
But, isn't 94.1 an FM station?
I find it strange that they’ve chained themselves to some of these old tracks with little appeal to anyone under 70. I doubt that they’ll make any changes, but continuing down this path seems like a very bad decision. It seems like Hubbard is trying to invest in some more local programming, why not try to position the station more strategically?
But again, if you're assuming that only older folks used to putting up with the inferior quality of AM, then wouldn't those likely be the age you claim you want to avoid? In the age of streaming and FM stations, do you really think that just playing songs that you believe would be appealing would entice people under 70 to listen? Really?
 
But that's my point; more appeal to who? Wouldn't you want to do actual market music research rather than injecting your own preferences?

But, isn't 94.1 an FM station?

But again, if you're assuming that only older folks used to putting up with the inferior quality of AM, then wouldn't those likely be the age you claim you want to avoid? In the age of streaming and FM stations, do you really think that just playing songs that you believe would be appealing would entice people under 70 to listen? Really?
Again, my preferences are completely irrelevant here. I’m just giving an example of what could, in the theoretical world, modernize KIXI and potentially give it a little more life than it has now. 94.1’s flip to classic AC was heavily criticized around here too when it happened, but it’s worked out pretty well from them. Strategically, the only thing that makes sense (to me) is to position yourself between 95.7 and 94.1, both of which being among the most successful stations in town.

If you were to ask me about the quality of AM compared to FM, I would agree that KIXI does not sound as good. It’s a fact that cannot be ignored. The part I find surprising, however, is that they air programming that seems to make no logical sense. You’re never going to get amazing ratings on 880, but I would be very curious to hear why the folks that program it have dug in their heels on music like Connie Francis, Bobby Vinton, and other artists of the like. They certainly have nothing to lose by trying something else out before throwing in the towel. And continuing on this trajectory seems like an easy way to have virtually no listeners.
 
Again, my preferences are completely irrelevant here. I’m just giving an example of what could, in the theoretical world, modernize KIXI and potentially give it a little more life than it has now. 94.1’s flip to classic AC was heavily criticized around here too when it happened, but it’s worked out pretty well from them. Strategically, the only thing that makes sense (to me) is to position yourself between 95.7 and 94.1, both of which being among the most successful stations in town.
Okay it appears I'm not getting through. Let's try approaching this a different way: You listed several artists and titles. How did you pick these artists and titles? Are you saying the point is to skew the music younger to attract a younger audience? If so, then do you honestly believe that there would be enough under-65 audience willing to tune in an AM mono station, when they could stream or listen to a competing FM stereo station?
If you were to ask me about the quality of AM compared to FM, I would agree that KIXI does not sound as good.
Talk about understatement of the week, but yes.
It’s a fact that cannot be ignored. The part I find surprising, however, is that they air programming that seems to make no logical sense. You’re never going to get amazing ratings on 880, but I would be very curious to hear why the folks that program it have dug in their heels on music like Connie Francis, Bobby Vinton, and other artists of the like.
Could it be because they've already tested that AM music listeners would fall into that era of music? Remember, Hubbard is an actual, serious broadcast group with resources. Not Fordranger797 radio nerd.
They certainly have nothing to lose by trying something else out before throwing in the towel. And continuing on this trajectory seems like an easy way to have virtually no listeners.
All they really need to do is cover utility and operational expenses. Their other FM stations are the relative cash cows within the group. KIXI, and whatever the call letters are of 1150 (the old KAYO), will never be contenders again. If they can scratch some national dollars appealing to seniors with Hurrycane or personal care garments, I argue it's better odds of at least covering the utility bill than hoping Classic Hit's aficionados will find something about an AM mono station more appealing than seasoned FM stations. Oh, and those same folks you would hope to bring over, had already left AM for FM back in the 70's where the music on your list originally aired.
 
Okay it appears I'm not getting through. Let's try approaching this a different way: You listed several artists and titles. How did you pick these artists and titles? Are you saying the point is to skew the music younger to attract a younger audience? If so, then do you honestly believe that there would be enough under-65 audience willing to tune in an AM mono station, when they could stream or listen to a competing FM stereo station?

Talk about understatement of the week, but yes.

Could it be because they've already tested that AM music listeners would fall into that era of music? Remember, Hubbard is an actual, serious broadcast group with resources. Not Fordranger797 radio nerd.

All they really need to do is cover utility and operational expenses. Their other FM stations are the relative cash cows within the group. KIXI, and whatever the call letters are of 1150 (the old KAYO), will never be contenders again. If they can scratch some national dollars appealing to seniors with Hurrycane or personal care garments, I argue it's better odds of at least covering the utility bill than hoping Classic Hit's aficionados will find something about an AM mono station more appealing than seasoned FM stations. Oh, and those same folks you would hope to bring over, had already left AM for FM back in the 70's where the music on your list originally aired.
I see what you’re saying about covering the expenses of operating 880. There’s definitely something to be said for 880 maintaining itself based on the limited advertising that it can still generate, and to not be a burden to the much more profitable FMs over at Hubbard. With that information in mind, would they be doing themselves a disservice to change their programming a bit to reflect the fact that there aren’t many listeners left who want music that “dusty”? If they did make some changes, would they lose the limited number of listeners (and advertisers) they have, or would there be any chance at improving their current situation?

I was simply giving an example of music that has been featured on certain classic leaning AC or contemporary oldies formatted radio stations over the past few years. Again, it has nothing to do with personal preferences, but rather actual music that has been used (with varying levels of success, depending on market, station, and approach). My example comes directly from what was being done at CISL 650 in Vancouver BC. They were going for more of a classic AC/contemporary oldies format, and it worked out okay. No, it wasn’t a cash cow by any stretch of the imagination, but they (Stingray Media) was able to find some use for an AM station that otherwise wasn’t marketable. CISL had already shifted their programming away from much of the music that 880 currently features a long time ago. As I recall, there was another radio station in town that had a format almost identical to KIXI, and they completely shut down in 2008 or so. At that point, CISL changed their approach to ensure that it didn’t have the same lack of appeal. Someone over there obviously recognized that they couldn’t stay on the same course, and decided that modernizing a bit would help (and it did keep them in business for a little longer than they otherwise would have). I seem to recall that they still had a decent rotation of advertisers and were not the lowest rated radio station in town. I’m sure nobody got rich, but they staved off imminent death.

If I understand your perspective correctly, you’re saying that 880 is now completely boxed in. Their advertisers could jump ship if they make too many changes (since these advertisers want the oldest listeners they can possibly find), and their current listening base could also jump ship (with nobody taking their spot). If that’s the case, it’s probably game over very soon.
 
The Eagles - Take it Easy
Rupert Holmes - Pina Colada Song
Fleetwood Mac - Little Lies
The Supremes - Can’t Hurry Love
Chi Lites - Oh Girl
Bread - Make it With You
Carly Simon - You’re So Vein
The Beatles - Hey Jude
The Vouges - Five O’clock World
Air Supply - Making Love (out of nothing at all)
Kim Carnes - Bette Davis Eyes
America - Sister Golden Hair
Steely Dan - Peg
Toto - Hold the Line
Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown
Player - Baby Come Back
Steve Miller Band - The Joker
King Harvest - Dancing in the Moonlight
Bee Gees - Night Fever
Wild Cherry - Play that Funky Music
Donna Summer - Hot Stuff
10cc - I’m Not in Love
Neil Young - Heart of Gold
James Taylor - Fire and Rain
Stevie Wonder - Superstition
Neil Diamond - Kentucky Woman
Cat Stevens - Wild World
Chic - Good Times
Elvis Presley - Burnin Love
Bob Dylan - Like a Rollin Stone

With the exception of "Little Lies", "Making Love (Out of Nothing At All)", "Play That Funky Music" and "Like A Rolling Stone", every one of those tracks was in my library at KOLO in Reno from 1977-81. I was aiming at and getting 37 year olds.

Those people are now 79-83 years old.

This music does nothing to solve the demographic issue and as Kelly notes, it and everything after it comes from a time of increasing FM dominance.

It's over.
 
And it appears that you'll have to bring your own AM radio to use in your new vehicle soon.
 
I think what Fordranger797 is arguing for is something along the lines of MeTVFM. I don't see why KIXI shouldn't try that approach. When we had a MeTVFM here, I found it an enjoyable listen, but can't imagine, especially on AM, that it would make much money. It would probably do better than what they're up to now though.
 
I think what Fordranger797 is arguing for is something along the lines of MeTVFM. I don't see why KIXI shouldn't try that approach. When we had a MeTVFM here, I found it an enjoyable listen, but can't imagine, especially on AM, that it would make much money. It would probably do better than what they're up to now though.
There's a reason why Weigel named it MeTVFM and not MeTVRadio, once gain this is a format that needs to be on FM to have a shot at success, especially anything that's 70's based.
 
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