Sex therapist talk shows have a place in radio, and that's fine. Sue Johanson, Dr. Ruth, etc. are just fine. I will repeat what I said to David: There's no moral equivalence between sex therapist shows and porn. Entirely different purpose. Apples and oranges.
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Adult Content on Radio and TV (from Seattle Board)
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Kelly- let me add briefly— right now, you are the person here who best understands the point of view I am trying to convey. Thank you, Kelly.👍🏼
Not to sidetrack this thread even further, but "porn" does not automatically imply an association with the horrendous things you're mentioning (which, unfortunately do happen, and sadly, would continue regardless of whether or not there was an "adult film" industry). For many in that business, it's just that - a business, and the overwhelming majority participate in it willingly. As I mentioned in a post on the first page of this discussion thread, there are sites like OnlyFans which primarily consist of people shooting and editing their own material and then posting it there for people to subscribe to and watch, and perhaps pay a bit extra for customized content. It's similar to people that post tons of videos featuring themselves on sites like YouTube, Instagram or TikTok; the biggest difference is that they can post adult content on sites like OnlyFans and JustForFans. For them, it's a business. They want to make money and are willing to show off their "assets" to do it, and some rake in VERY good money that way. On the other side of that business you have folks who want to see their content and are willing to pay a monthly fee in order to do so. That doesn't mean that human trafficking, illegal narcotics, exploitation of kids or any the other awful things you mention play any part in that whatsoever.
For years now, the "porn" industry has given out awards using nominations and voting at ceremonies similar to the Grammys, but they're for the adult video industry (AVN is the most well-known and takes place during the massive "Adult Entertainment Expo" in Vegas each year, but there are a handful of others). Just like the Grammys they have a number of categories, and studios and scenes and models are nominated, voting takes place and awards are given out. Again, I'm not saying the things you mention do not take place, but on the flip side I don't think it's fair to put a black eye on an entire industry because of bad actors who peddle in those things, most of whom aren't actually a part of that "business" at all.
Bringing this back to "radio" and the stated title of this discussion thread: If someone would host a radio program or even format a station with interviews of adult film stars and discussions about the adult movie industry, that doesn't indicate or imply that there would be an uptick in illegal underground activity or that those types of things would be glamorized or somehow become "OK". The things you point out are illegal and immoral. That doesn't change.
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That's a typical narrative from either someone who wants to justify their consuming the product, or someone who works in the industry. I'm no prude, but the adult video industry has a long history of seedy business practices, extortion, human trafficking including children, and illegal drugs. The tales of soccer moms being willing porn stars as somehow the norm is total BS. People who consume the products are complicit.
Don't kid yourself, yes it does.
Giving out awards to somehow 'normalize' the seedy underbelly is just publicly trying to hide the truth.
SXM used to have a channel which had porn stars interviewing other porn stars. In order for them to keep their audience interested, they needed to talk like they enjoyed what they did on camera, including a lot of language that wouldn't be allowed on the radio. The audience was targeted at truck drivers and horny old men. Problem was; there wasn't enough of either to justify a channel. That, and having that sort of content is a liability. Have an errant route where that sort of content ends up on the wrong channel, would be a disaster.
I could care less about the immorality. It's the exploitation of humans, especially children that bothers me.
In preparing for our trip to France later this week, I've downloaded a couple of French news apps. A major story going on over there now---Thursday, 17 men were ordered to stand trial for sexual violence and human trafficking related to the production of pornography. This is from ONE production company.
I can't even link to the story because of one word in both the France24 and Le Monde headlines that I'm not sure the software of this board would or should accept, but if you type "17 men ordered to stand trial France" into Google, you'll get the links.
Suffice to say, it's horrific and Kelly's not exaggerating.
Also---this discussion is eight pages that's been generated not from an actual format, but one guy on this board who said "here's a new idea"---which, I showed in the early going, had been done at least once before, in Fresno of all places, 17 years ago.
This is a thread long overdue for lockdown.
I second.
Third, if one is even necessary. And may I add that if there are actually "housewives" with OnlyFans sites, they must either live in fear, or be blissfully unaware, of their virtual customers tracking them down and showing up at their door for live "product."
Do you think Kokomo would ever be played on this station? 
Sure. And '60s oldies too. Dirty old men, after all, are OLD.Do you think Kokomo would ever be played on this station?
As a sidebar, this is the "mood" that gradually permeated the youth culture in the Bay Area starting in the later 50's. By 1964, when Bill Drake was taken on by RKO to "fix" their stations, it seemingly was broad enough of a feeling to affect the pop music tastes there. When Drake sent Tom Rounds to the market to "do the KHJ thing" on KFRC, inside the station the feeling was that the public wanted more Iron Butterfly than Bobby Goldsboro (I use the artists as examples, not as a timeline).
Eventually, after Fantasy Fair concert and arguments with Drake, Rounds went on to do a huge concert in Miami and, a bit later, to record some radio shows on LPs and send them to a few radio stations for free.
"The KFRC Fantasy Fair and Magic Mountain Music Festival was held in the second weekend of June 1967 at Mount Tamalpais State Park in Marin County, California, to support the Hunters Point Child Care Center. Featuring Jefferson Airplane, The 5th Dimension, The Doors and many other acts, it drew nearly 60,000 attendees." Wikipedia.
And, no matter what, porn is not something that is allowed or acceptable on licensed public airwaves.
Back in the 70's when I was briefly in Miami there was an over the air TV station that was scrambled. You could subscribe and rent a de-scrambler. If you paid extra, you could get lighter X-rated flix after 11 PM, IIRC.
There was considerable talk regarding using public airwaves for limited access paid programming because the "airwaves belong to the public". By the time this got any attention, the effort had failed and the service was discontinued.
Let's self-regulate on this one and stay away from morality discussions and keep it closer to what is legal and acceptable on public airwaves.
All else does not belong on a broadcasting discussion board.
All else does not belong on a broadcasting discussion board.
I’m neither a consumer nor do I work in the industry, though 2 of my former colleagues from the broadcast industry do, one as a video editor and the other in IT, both for major players with a bunch of sub-brands and sites. They find it funny how mundane and the IT guy especially how uneventful his job is vs what most people think when they find out where they work and what they do.
But that’s one company. That doesn’t mean the entire industry is guilty just like the Spanish inquisition and similar means all Catholics or Christians should be blamed.
Apologies @DavidEduardo I was writing this at the same time you were posting your warning above. Feel free to edit or remove as you see fit.
But the limits of public attitudes and regulation are appropriate. I think the original post was from an outsider dangling "click bait" for us all. We bit, and are now on the dinner menu...
We've now digressed to the 15th Century and I am awaiting a post from Torquemada...
Instead of closing the thread, I am renaming it to "Adult Content on Radio and TV". And it is now on the national board.
"Say, kids, what time is it?"
Too bad this fellow has passed on. "He was given the name Tor Kamata in reference to Tomas De Torquemada of the Spanish Inquisition."
Tor Kamata - Wikipedia
Kelly said:
That's a typical narrative from either someone who wants to justify their consuming the product, or someone who works in the industry. I'm no prude, but the adult video industry has a long history of seedy business practices, extortion, human trafficking including children, and illegal drugs. The tales of soccer moms being willing porn stars as somehow the norm is total BS. People who consume the products are complicit.
Don't kid yourself, yes it does.
Giving out awards to somehow 'normalize' the seedy underbelly is just publicly trying to hide the truth.
SXM used to have a channel which had porn stars interviewing other porn stars. In order for them to keep their audience interested, they needed to talk like they enjoyed what they did on camera, including a lot of language that wouldn't be allowed on the radio. The audience was targeted at truck drivers and horny old men. Problem was; there wasn't enough of either to justify a channel. That, and having that sort of content is a liability. Have an errant route where that sort of content ends up on the wrong channel, would be a disaster.
I could care less about the immorality. It's the exploitation of humans, especially children that bothers me.
Exactly correct. Thank you.
That's a typical narrative from either someone who wants to justify their consuming the product, or someone who works in the industry. I'm no prude, but the adult video industry has a long history of seedy business practices, extortion, human trafficking including children, and illegal drugs. The tales of soccer moms being willing porn stars as somehow the norm is total BS. People who consume the products are complicit.
Don't kid yourself, yes it does.
Giving out awards to somehow 'normalize' the seedy underbelly is just publicly trying to hide the truth.
SXM used to have a channel which had porn stars interviewing other porn stars. In order for them to keep their audience interested, they needed to talk like they enjoyed what they did on camera, including a lot of language that wouldn't be allowed on the radio. The audience was targeted at truck drivers and horny old men. Problem was; there wasn't enough of either to justify a channel. That, and having that sort of content is a liability. Have an errant route where that sort of content ends up on the wrong channel, would be a disaster.
I could care less about the immorality. It's the exploitation of humans, especially children that bothers me.
Exactly correct. Thank you.
I'm not sure if Mel Brooks' humor appeals to you, but the number in the video below was in mind when I wrote the comment above about the Inquisition. This is, of course, from Brook's movie "History of the World Part 1". Getting serious for a moment, there are many examples of certain religions or races or groups being widely blamed for the actions of a few, even recently. The attempted "Muslim ban" comes to mind if we're interested in more recent examples. Same with companies that provide and distribute adult content. There certainly are bad actors out there with ties to ugly and heinous underground activities. That doesn't mean all, or even most, are. Anyway, here's Mel:
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So are the Ad Council spots PSA's or something different? I had always thought they were PSA's, but I think it's been mentioned elsewhere here that Ad Council spots are actually paid for by the government somehow.
Obviously, a pr0n radio format wouldn't work because of the nature of the public airwaves being, well, public. Any pr0n format would draw the ire of moral majority types who would instantly quash it.
And with the internet dominating the media universe, pr0n is no different, it is internet based and it is already where it is going to stay.
And with the internet dominating the media universe, pr0n is no different, it is internet based and it is already where it is going to stay.
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