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Status of WFME 1560?

That is a pretty minor upgrade. Same tower, and probably a used 10 kw transmitter. Still, moving from 1300 to the very top of the some dial(s) is not much of an upgrade, considering the reduced "coverage per watt" 400 kHz up the dial.

New tower...

New digital transmitter...

Upgraded night signal...

I think he wins.
 
Which is, give or take the value of land and equipment, approximately $0.

No useful signal before 8 AM in the winter, or after 4 PM. No translator and no ability to get one.

I'm not saying this to be snarky. I'm saying this as a station broker who is constantly assessing the market and in touch with buyers. Even ethnic broadcasters understand there's just not any money to be made with signals like WCTF these days.

And again, I will make a similar offer: show me a station equivalent to WCTF (daytime-only, 1000 watts or less, no translator, medium-sized metro) where the license alone has sold for anything significant in the last few years, and I will send you a free Tower Site Calendar.
The AM on 700 in Orange-Athol, MA. That clunker was offered to me in exchange for cancelling a debt. I passed, because there was no real estate included. Ended up with zero, zilch, nada.
 
New tower...

New digital transmitter...

Upgraded night signal...

I think he wins.
I meant it was a minor upgrade in terms of cost; Scott's point was that nobody has lately spent the big money needed for a significant upgrade.

Yes, it is more power, but on the highest dial position possible. Sounds like the station owner, a doctor, did not understand that he sacrificed a lot by moving up the dial... including the lack of familiarity by older radio listeners with the X-Band.

As to the signal being better, it is but not by much. It is at the very top of the dial and 10 kw there is the equivalent of about 100 watts on 540 in terms of coverage. And it is barely better than the 500 watts on 1300.
 
I meant it was a minor upgrade in terms of cost; Scott's point was that nobody has lately spent the big money needed for a significant upgrade.

It was? There's a picture of Tom Ray and his crew standing next to the tower sections on the ground about to be installed, a new digital (HD) transmitter was also installed, and all the related engineering work and FCC legal work had to be done prior to the frequency change and related power upgrade. You're saying that's not big enough money for a significant upgrade?

Maybe not to you and the big corporations you're accustomed to, but I think it must have been a substantial cap-ex investment for a private owner of a station like that, and that was the challenge.

It was just a contest for a free calendar, and we're already halfway through January. I don't know why you're trying to deny @kevtronics his well-earned win.
 
It was just a contest for a free calendar, and we're already halfway through January. I don't know why you're trying to deny @kevtronics his well-earned win.

If kevtronics will DM me with a mailing address, I'll gladly send out the calendar.

But the WRCR saga in many ways proves out exactly the point I'm trying to make, because the unwritten piece to my challenge was "spent all that money AND succeeded as a result," and WRCR has been anything but a success.

Let's go to the videotape:

The old WRCR 1300 signal was awful. It was one of the last AMs squeezed in to the AM dial around NYC in the 1960s, protecting 1280 NYC, 1290 on LI and Binghamton, 1300 in New Haven and Hazleton and Albany, 1310 in Mount Kisco and so on. 500 watts aimed away from anywhere you'd have wanted it to go.

Alex started trying to move it to the X-band back in 2003, then spent a decade (and presumably a bunch of $) lobbying politicians to open a special window to get WRCR off 1300. He got what he wanted, in the worst possible way: the FCC opened a special auction window for the frequency, and in 2014 he paid $409,000 (!) to outbid WRKL.

By then, one of the three 1300 towers had fallen in a storm and the other two were close to collapse, and 1300 was running on STA at 125 watts. So, yes, he spent money on a new tower and transmitter - but there's an argument to be made that whether he was staying on 1300 or going to 1700, this wasn't so much "invest in a new facility" as "make up for decades of deferred maintenance in order to stay on the air at all." Either way, we're now probably at something like $700,000 down the hole.

So, after all of that, WRCR was a success, right?

Fast forward to 2017: Alex had spent more money to move the studios out of a dead shopping mall before it was torn down, relocating it to a visible (but expensive) spot at the local minor-league ballpark. But he was also in a dispute with the owner of the tower land, which he was leasing. Things went downhill fast: the local talk format from those new studios went streaming-only, replaced by an Indian-language leased time format, which in turn was replaced by silence when the lease deal went south.

WRCR was then off the air for a year and a half (returning briefly in the summer of 2018 just to keep the license alive). Then came another money drain to get the thing back on the air in 2019 from a STA site with 250 watts into a wire antenna. The ballpark studios also went away, so add more $ to relocate to a new leased studio site.

And then it took another two years (because everything with AM moves takes a lot of time) to locate and buy a new permanent site and get it approved and built out, except the new site is on a hilltop with much worse soil than the old one was and it's located too far north to reach the population centers of southern Rockland County where most of the people and money are. Even with 10 kW it's a semi-fringe signal at my "home base" at my cousin's place in Montebello, right off the busy Route 59 corridor that used to be local to WRCR. There was a GoFundMe campaign along the way seeking $35,000 to pay for the move, which raised... $7,000.

I'm not privy to WRCR's financials, but there's no way that all of this - new tower that was in use for barely two years, transmitter, umpteen zillion FCC filings, building out at an STA site and then at a new site - cost anything less than a million-plus dollars, maybe closer to two. And I wouldn't be presumptuous enough to speak for Alex, who's a good guy with a real love for radio, but I wonder if he'd do all that again if he knew how it would turn out. (On the other hand, as a doctor, maybe he's needed a tax loss all these years?)

Anyway, if the idea here is to show that there's some kind of active interest in making an improvement to existing AMs on their existing frequencies (which is, let's remember, the proposition Albert David is making), this doesn't really make the case at all. It squeaks in as "within the last decade" only because it started 20 years ago and took almost a decade to make it through the regulatory process. It was really a last-gasp X-band move, a relic of that now-dead process from the 1990s.

And most of all: if you were in Alex's shoes, is this what you would have spent seven figures on over the years?
 
Besides the numerous expenses detailed in the post above, it seems unlikely that WRCR is bringing in much revenue. Outside of the morning show, and some leased out time slots, the standalone AM station devotes most of each day to automated A/C music, with few ads, apparently as filler.
It appears that WRCR has a significantly weaker signal in most populated areas than from its former location.
 
As for WTHE, which was also mentioned - that's a really interesting edge case that may indeed be one of the last of the ambitious AM projects, even if it's really all about a translator at the end.

It's really the outcome of three AM signals being pared down to one: WDJZ on 1530 in Bridgeport CT went away in 2017 after being silent for more than a year (sing the song with me: lost access to a leased transmitter site), which cleared the way for Multicultural to upgrade WJDM 1530 in Elizabeth NJ (which was also losing its site), moving it to a triplex on the WPAT 930 site that Multicultural already owned. Was it worth it? Maybe not - WJDM went silent in 2019, telling the FCC it had "lost its programming source" (in other words, its leased-time tenant went away.)

Then Radio Cantico Nuevo, which has been probably the most aggressive AM operator in the greater NYC market, saw an opportunity: WTHE 1520 in Mineola went silent because - sing it again - it lost its leased tower site. It would have disappeared completely, if Cantico hadn't paid $200,000 for the license, put up a longwire to keep it alive, and then...

...well, we don't know exactly what happened then, but we can speculate. Multicultural surrendered the WJDM license, clearing the way for WTHE to move from 1520 to 1530 and jump from 1000 to 10,000 watts (still daytime only). If Cantico Nuevo paid Multicultural to make WJDM go away, and perhaps for the 10 kW 1530 transmitter, there's no FCC record of that, but then there wouldn't need to be. (I think Cantico Nuevo had actually been a tenant on WJDM, come to think of it.)

Either way, WTHE was able to use an existing tower site (WHLI 1100), complete the move to 1530, and it's awaiting its license to cover for that 10 kW 1530 signal. (It also changed its calls to WJDM, just to create some new confusion.)

Was it worth the cost, which has probably been half a million dollars or more? I'm speculating here, but my guess in this case is yes - mostly because it set up the new WTHE/WJDM 1530 to be the primary station for the 107.9 translator on 1 World Trade Center. Why not just use an HD subchannel? In the unique case of NYC, lease rates for THOSE are so expensive that the WJDM/WTHE move could pay for itself in just a few years. And in the somewhat rare case of Cantico Nuevo, much like Family and WFME (this is a thread about WFME, after all!), it's a mission-driven religious broadcaster that can still make some money off listener donations on its AM signals, too.
 
Maybe they should have thought about that before they sold their old site.

And perhaps WFME can become the first high-power test case for a HEBA. The only station that's currently using one (WQVR) is 1 kW, but they claim it can support up to 2 MW "on request"

You take the deals you can make when they become available. The $51 million for the land was presumably offered contingent on speedy availability of the site. No buyer, especially in the fast-moving logistics business, is going to wait two or three or five years for the seller to find a new location and get it built and operating.

This is exactly why the STA process exists as a well-established part of FCC regulation. Otherwise, the most logical option for Family would have been to just surrender the 1560 license and walk away with the money, and how exactly would THAT have served the public interest?

As for the HEBA, it's not approved for DA use, and any new WFME facility with any amount of power will need to be a DA. I also question whether it will meet the minimum efficiency standards required for a class A AM.
 
As for WTHE, which was also mentioned - that's a really interesting edge case that may indeed be one of the last of the ambitious AM projects, even if it's really all about a translator at the end.

It's really the outcome of three AM signals being pared down to one: WDJZ on 1530 in Bridgeport CT went away in 2017 after being silent for more than a year (sing the song with me: lost access to a leased transmitter site), which cleared the way for Multicultural to upgrade WJDM 1530 in Elizabeth NJ (which was also losing its site), moving it to a triplex on the WPAT 930 site that Multicultural already owned. Was it worth it? Maybe not - WJDM went silent in 2019, telling the FCC it had "lost its programming source" (in other words, its leased-time tenant went away.)

Then Radio Cantico Nuevo, which has been probably the most aggressive AM operator in the greater NYC market, saw an opportunity: WTHE 1520 in Mineola went silent because - sing it again - it lost its leased tower site. It would have disappeared completely, if Cantico hadn't paid $200,000 for the license, put up a longwire to keep it alive, and then...

...well, we don't know exactly what happened then, but we can speculate. Multicultural surrendered the WJDM license, clearing the way for WTHE to move from 1520 to 1530 and jump from 1000 to 10,000 watts (still daytime only). If Cantico Nuevo paid Multicultural to make WJDM go away, and perhaps for the 10 kW 1530 transmitter, there's no FCC record of that, but then there wouldn't need to be. (I think Cantico Nuevo had actually been a tenant on WJDM, come to think of it.)

Either way, WTHE was able to use an existing tower site (WHLI 1100), complete the move to 1530, and it's awaiting its license to cover for that 10 kW 1530 signal. (It also changed its calls to WJDM, just to create some new confusion.)

Was it worth the cost, which has probably been half a million dollars or more? I'm speculating here, but my guess in this case is yes - mostly because it set up the new WTHE/WJDM 1530 to be the primary station for the 107.9 translator on 1 World Trade Center. Why not just use an HD subchannel? In the unique case of NYC, lease rates for THOSE are so expensive that the WJDM/WTHE move could pay for itself in just a few years. And in the somewhat rare case of Cantico Nuevo, much like Family and WFME (this is a thread about WFME, after all!), it's a mission-driven religious broadcaster that can still make some money off listener donations on its AM signals, too.
I guess my example of the 700 in Orange-Athol, MA got overlooked... I'd be lying if I said I was surprised. Cheers 🥂
 
I know of one major AM project in the last 20 years, and that's the relocation of the entire 3-tower array of WGNZ, Fairborn, OH (really Xenia). The towers located off U.S. 35 as you come into town from Dayton were moved once Wal-Mart and other businesses wanted that stretch of land. WGNZ's towers are now in a cornfield and the station is 5000 watts daytime with a tiny flea power that might reach one ear of corn at night, but it does have a translator
 
I know of one major AM project in the last 20 years, and that's the relocation of the entire 3-tower array of WGNZ, Fairborn, OH (really Xenia). The towers located off U.S. 35 as you come into town from Dayton were moved once Wal-Mart and other businesses wanted that stretch of land. WGNZ's towers are now in a cornfield and the station is 5000 watts daytime with a tiny flea power that might reach one ear of corn at night, but it does have a translator
A bit of a different case, and I'm guessing the replacement costs were covered by insurance and there's really nothing else in that area - urban sprawl, land-use, nearby signals or otherwise to get in the way, but 13 1/2 years ago, all 3 towers for clear channel legacy station WWVA (1170) were taken down in a weather event, and they chose to rebuild. By even then, WWVA was a shadow of what it once was. Where it was once a legendary country station with huge nighttime coverage in the eastern US and Canada, bringing people to their weekly live Jamboree USA shows at Wheeling's Capital Music Hall/Theater (that iteration of the weekly Jamboree performances with major artists ceased in 2005, though the station aired encore shows each Saturday evening through 2008) and their annual Jamboree in the Hills 3 and then later 4 day music festival (ceased in 2019); By the time the towers went down in a storm in 2010, the station was owned by Clear Channel, had switched to a talk format that was partly syndicated right-wing talk (including Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity) but also had a stable of local hosts that primarily discussed issues affecting Wheeling and that immediate area. The overwhelming majority of ads were also for local Wheeling area businesses.
 
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Besides the numerous expenses detailed in the post above, it seems unlikely that WRCR is bringing in much revenue. Outside of the morning show, and some leased out time slots, the standalone AM station devotes most of each day to automated A/C music, with few ads, apparently as filler.
It appears that WRCR has a significantly weaker signal in most populated areas than from its former location.
I get the difference in coverage 1300 verses 1700 but accord to the FCC AM query:

https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?call=&arn=&state=&city=&freq=1690&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&class=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9&ThisTab=Results+to+This+Page/Tab

I don’t see a lot of close adjacent channel or on channel stations. They should have a little better coverage just by having a "clean" channel. A big advantage: no directional antenna field to deal with, and a shorter tower. Bigger electric bill a negativize.

If it were my station and was committed to go down this path, I would spend on billboards, and any “locally aimed” websites like Chamber of Commerce and a local newspaper (if there still is one).

I wonder if this is a tax right off or is there a possible FM translator in the future?
 
A bit of a different case, and I'm guessing the replacement costs were covered by insurance and there's really nothing else in that area - urban sprawl, land-use, nearby signals or otherwise to get in the way, but 13 1/2 years ago, all 3 towers for clear channel legacy station WWVA (1170) were taken down in a weather event, and they chose to rebuild. By even then, WWVA was a shadow of what it once was. Where it was once a legendary country station with huge nighttime coverage in the eastern US and Canada, bringing people to their weekly live Jamboree USA shows at Wheeling's Capital Music Hall/Theater (that iteration of the weekly Jamboree performances with major artists ceased in 2005, though the station aired encore shows each Saturday evening through 2008) and their annual Jamboree in the Hills 3 and then later 4 day music festival (ceased in 2019); By the time the towers went down in a storm in 2010, the station was owned by Clear Channel, had switched to a talk format that was partly syndicated right-wing talk (including Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity) but also had a stable of local hosts that primarily discussed issues affecting Wheeling and that immediate area. The overwhelming majority of ads were also for local Wheeling area businesses.
IIRC they "only" had to replace the towers and possibly the ATUs. I never read about the grounding system being messed up too badly. The transmitter and equipment in the building were OK. Still wasn't a cheap repair. Are there any pictures of their old towers?
 
IIRC they "only" had to replace the towers and possibly the ATUs. I never read about the grounding system being messed up too badly. The transmitter and equipment in the building were OK. Still wasn't a cheap repair. Are there any pictures of their old towers?
Very good point. Regarding photos of the old towers, the originals at that particular site were free-standing Blaw-Knox towers if I recall correctly. I know both Scott Fybush and David's World Radio History sites both have a fair amount of info about WWVA and I know I've seen photos of those towers, but don't recall where.
 
Very good point. Regarding photos of the old towers, the originals at that particular site were free-standing Blaw-Knox towers if I recall correctly. I know both Scott Fybush and David's World Radio History sites both have a fair amount of info about WWVA and I know I've seen photos of those towers, but don't recall where.
Go to RADIO STATION ALBUMS - Promotional booklets - 20's to the 70's and scroll down to West Virginia and there are a number of little WWVA station souvenir nd promotion booklets that have pictures of the transmitter site and towers. Each booklet is from a different year, so you can see WWVA through the 30's and 40's quite well.

There are several hundred other station booklets from all over the US and a few foreign countries on that page. Some go back to the early 1920's and are around 100 years old!
 
I get the difference in coverage 1300 verses 1700 but accord to the FCC AM query:

https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?call=&arn=&state=&city=&freq=1690&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&class=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9&ThisTab=Results+to+This+Page/Tab

I don’t see a lot of close adjacent channel or on channel stations. They should have a little better coverage just by having a "clean" channel. A big advantage: no directional antenna field to deal with, and a shorter tower. Bigger electric bill a negativize.

If it were my station and was committed to go down this path, I would spend on billboards, and any “locally aimed” websites like Chamber of Commerce and a local newspaper (if there still is one).

I wonder if this is a tax right off or is there a possible FM translator in the future?
Fact is, WRCR is now up for sale. The top ad at this site:
Radio Station for Sale
is referring to WRCR. The wording has changed since it first went up about 10 days ago, and most notably, the price has dropped from $950k to $799k. But it’s WRCR.
As for secondchoice’s suggestion that perhaps a translator could be in the future, Scott could say with more certainty, but in the NYC area, just about all translator options have been exhausted. That ship has sailed.
 
By even then, WWVA was a shadow of what it once was.

As was the area around it. Wheeling was once a bustling industrial area when the station started. By the 90s, it lost more than half of its population. That population loss no doubt affected the radio revenues. The other thing that hurt WWVA was its co-owned FM station. They put the contemporary country format on WOVK, and a full service classic country format on the AM. The young audience went to the FM, leaving the over-50s for the AM. By the late 90s, the AM had gone all talk. It has a great nighttime north/south signal, but no way to monetize it. Nielsen measures the local audience, and that's what they sell.
 
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Fact is, WRCR is now up for sale. The top ad at this site:
Radio Station for Sale
is referring to WRCR. The wording has changed since it first went up about 10 days ago, and most notably, the price has dropped from $950k to $799k. But it’s WRCR.
As for secondchoice’s suggestion that perhaps a translator could be in the future, Scott could say with more certainty, but in the NYC area, just about all translator options have been exhausted. That ship has sailed.
There are no translator options, especially in Rockland.

When the FCC opened the AM "revitalization" windows, x-band AMs were excluded from applying, so WRCR inadvertently shut itself out by moving from 1300 to 1700... but there also weren't frequencies available, which is why WRKL didn't get one either.

It is what it is now... and if it can find a buyer, I expect it's likely to be at rather less than the asking price. Which, again, speaks to the point where this thread began, about how little value there is to doing any AM signal improvement in the 21st century.
 
One more nasty surprise to deter someone planning a new or upgraded AM facility. After finding a site, doing the engineering, and even building it out, the applicant gets an interference complaint from someone near the transmitter site.

Been there done that for WFME. Goddard College in Orange NJ forced them to reduce their 10,000 watts STA on the slant wire antenna down to 500 watts.
 
Goddard College in Orange NJ forced them to reduce their 10,000 watts STA on the slant wire antenna down to 500 watts.

Exactly. Someone earlier in this thread said the station should have had a plan in place when they sold Maspeth. They did. It was as described. Use the slant at 10K. They didn't know until they made the change that it created interference. I've been to their tower site, and I can tell you they're not the only tower on that mountain. I don't think anyone could have anticipated this situation.
 
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