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How many AM stations still actively use HD Radio (AM-HD)? Are there any in your area?

That's what I classify as "merely existing" for HD. The translators get the listeners, not the HD sidebands of the main signal. Where is the growth potential of HD outside of feeding content to a transmitter on some other frequency? What are broadcasters doing to create content for their HD-2s and HD-3s, and to publicize those HDs on air and (if they are still financially able to do so) through advertising -- online, TV or billboards?

For what it’s worth, HD is on every Class C FM in the bay outside of KPFA, a noncomm mostly dealing spoken word, and Alpha Media and who operates very limited signals on the southern side of the market and have had staff and contractors on this very forum mention how poorly run it is. There is a few Class B FM’s without it like KNBR and KGMZ, but they are both spoken word.

Actually I caught KGMZ with HD today which was weird, I’m not sure if they’re testing it?
 
That's what I classify as "merely existing" for HD. The translators get the listeners, not the HD sidebands of the main signal. Where is the growth potential of HD outside of feeding content to a transmitter on some other frequency? What are broadcasters doing to create content for their HD-2s and HD-3s, and to publicize those HDs on air and (if they are still financially able to do so) through advertising -- online, TV or billboards?
The main channels are not using TV or billboards, so HD channels certainly will not. But in many markets there ethnic and religious stations that are filling definite needs.
 
Disk storage space has become so bottomless and cheap, that shouldn't be a concern even for the most prolific collectors. You can put over 20,000 average length songs in FLAC format on a 512 GB USB thumb drive for $50.
It's truly amazing. When I started WorldRadioHistory, I kept my backups on recordable CDs or DVDs. Using HDs was too expensive. Now, I have 5 NAS drives in redundant RAID. The latest has 54tb in RAID capacity and cost less than $2000 to assemble. I have a total over over 200tb with similar double reliability.
 
Crawford seems very much committed to AM stations, though there are FM translators for some of them, and has been running frequent PSAs supporting congressional action to keep AM radios in vehicles and encouraging listeners to reach out to their congressional representatives to express their support for such legislation.
I have no doubt they're committed to AM radio, I was just specifically talking about the digital AM. I'd rather put my resources to maintaining my analog signal at 100 percent.
 
Sigh. I hate geofencing. Here's a brief stream rip, then, for you to try with -- contains both voice and music:

https://rentry.org/4ufivfy6/raw (how it was ripped)
https://files.catbox.moe/y3hgga.m4a (kyno.m4a audio file)
Thanks - have downloaded and will take a listen.

Yeah, Fresno. (At first, for some reason, I thought you were referring to KBNO, which is a local to me in Denver. Never mind.)

Turnabout is fair play: here's about half an hour of KLVZ from this morning: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/xfwyvedij96ndj8/KLVZ.2024.09.11-0812.flac/file (grab it before the copyright Stasi gets to it). At 10m26s, Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town is an especially good demonstration of the phasing effects of HD AM. Source receiver was a Sangean SG-108, which is the version of the HDR-14 that's in a white cabinet.

KPOF also has music but not all the time. KVCU indicated earlier this year that it would go to HD when it got its new transmitter in order to go back to full power, but it's in Boulder. As you may be able to tell from the first minute of the KLVZ recording, HD AM needs a fairly high field strength to kick in. So I may not get that from KVCU even when it goes back up to 5 kw.

Disk storage space has become so bottomless and cheap, that shouldn't be a concern even for the most prolific collectors. You can put over 20,000 average length songs in FLAC format on a 512 GB USB thumb drive for $50.
As I type here, I'm looking at a pile of Samsung T5 and T7 drives. My use cases include digitizations of airchecks made on Hi-Fi VCRs in EP mode, done in either Kansas City or Chicago. Those can last up to 8 hours. They produce some big honking file sizes even in FLAC format. I need to write some scripts to help inventory them aside from just listing files, but I've had this weird kind of writer's block regarding writing Perl scripts since I retired. I used to love doing that and now I can't bring myself to do it. I also tried to use Python but it felt like programming in a straitjacket. In any event, I had first digitized tapes in MP3 format only (usually 320 kbps fixed) but a friend who does the same thing encouraged me to save in a lossless format. Recently, I've gone back to some cassette tapes to re-do them; first, because I've gotten more experience with this sort of thing and can now do a better job of repairing flaws and, second, to get them into a lossless format. Now they always get recorded to WAV first on a Tascam recorder and then imported into Linux for further work and tagging. The KLVZ sample was first recorded in WAV format on a Tascam.
 
For what it’s worth, HD is on every Class C FM in the bay outside of KPFA, a noncomm mostly dealing spoken word, and Alpha Media and who operates very limited signals on the southern side of the market and have had staff and contractors on this very forum mention how poorly run it is. There is a few Class B FM’s without it like KNBR and KGMZ, but they are both spoken word.
At least as of earlier this year, KRZZ, "La Raza", wasn't using HD.

Actually I caught KGMZ with HD today which was weird, I’m not sure if they’re testing it?
That is very strange. The minute Cumulus switched from KFOG to KNBR-FM, the HD sidebands were turned off.
 
At least as of earlier this year, KRZZ, "La Raza", wasn't using HD.

Not sure if it was analog only at any point in early this year, but they flipped it on early on — been at least 6-7 months. Might be misremembering but I thought they flipped it spring 2023 to HD.
 
I have no doubt they're committed to AM radio, I was just specifically talking about the digital AM. I'd rather put my resources to maintaining my analog signal at 100 percent.

So.. maintain an objectively worse experience? HD doesn’t harm any of their signals, they’re just the main broadcaster who commits to maintaining it for the cost as larger ones are shifting away from AM.

Analog AM is not good. Being a DXer or having rose tinted glasses are the only way you can say otherwise.
 
So.. maintain an objectively worse experience? HD doesn’t harm any of their signals, they’re just the main broadcaster who commits to maintaining it for the cost as larger ones are shifting away from AM.

Analog AM is not good. Being a DXer or having rose tinted glasses are the only way you can say otherwise.

The HD noise nerfs the analog AM. Not to mention the sideband noise that everyone is familiar with. Why add more background noise to your analog audio to satisfy the extreme minority of HD-AM users out there? A little bit of crackle from a thunderstorm isn't going to turn people off as much as a constant hiss.
 
Can we agree that whatever promise HD once had -- FM or AM -- is dead?
Yeah, it's basically dead, except for feeding translators. In some metros the FM stations make money off renting the HD2. But who actually tunes into an HD2, or even cares about HD1, except DXers / Radio fans / those in the industry? In most cases, the answer is nobody.

As someone who used to listen to KISW's HD2 nightly, and sometimes listens to KING-FM's Classical Christmas HD3, and an alt HD2, I doubt that I am more than one of 1000 listeners during any given hour, in the metro of 4 million where I live, who care about HD FM radio.
 
Disk storage space has become so bottomless and cheap, that shouldn't be a concern even for the most prolific collectors. You can put over 20,000 average length songs in FLAC format on a 512 GB USB thumb drive for $50.
Great idea, and I get it -- but who does that anymore? They just use Spotify, Pandora, etc. on their phone. BT it to their car soundsystem, or home computer system. Most of them probably don't have their favorite songs in a folder on their phone anymore. That ship sailed 10 years ago.
 
That's what I classify as "merely existing" for HD. The translators get the listeners, not the HD sidebands of the main signal. Where is the growth potential of HD outside of feeding content to a transmitter on some other frequency? What are broadcasters doing to create content for their HD-2s and HD-3s, and to publicize those HDs on air and (if they are still financially able to do so) through advertising -- online, TV or billboards?
From what I've been told about ANY radio advertising its format flips, HD2's, whatever -- it's considered a waste of ROI. Partly because of the state of radio industry revenues (advertising revenues, primarily) these days. The money isn't there to risk on billboards, internet targeted ads, etc.
 
Anyway, KYNO has a 32 kbit/s HE-AAC stream here. When you lowpass that, do your ears find the midrange 90% tolerable or do they discern the same unlistenable midrange as you experienced with lowpassed KLVZ?
Thanks - have downloaded and will take a listen.
Indeed, a low-pass filter at 4 kHz, -24 dB/octave provides fairly reasonable results to my ears. It's very obvious from the source material that there are very few phasing effects to begin with. Most of the artifice is in the high-frequency reconstruction. If you listen to that KLVZ AM HD excerpt that I provided earlier, you can tell that it's far more compromised, with lots of phase-related effects that no frequency filter is ever going to get rid of.
 
Turnabout is fair play: here's about half an hour of KLVZ from this morning: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/xfwyvedij96ndj8/KLVZ.2024.09.11-0812.flac/file (grab it before the copyright Stasi gets to it). At 10m26s, Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town is an especially good demonstration of the phasing effects of HD AM. Source receiver was a Sangean SG-108, which is the version of the HDR-14 that's in a white cabinet.
This is exactly the sound I remember hearing using my aforementioned aftermarket IBOC AM receiver years ago. And this confirms my recollection that IBOC AM is atrocious compared to regular HE-AAC. In fact, thanks to your aircheck, I can now see exactly why. Take a look for yourself:

https://files.catbox.moe/brhaul.png (full spectral graph view)
https://files.catbox.moe/nkt2j4.png (zoomed: 0-5.5 kHz in view)
https://files.catbox.moe/mc1hbn.png (zoomed: 0-4 kHz in view, including moreso horizontally)

These show the spectrum of 12 seconds of the "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town" song you pointed out, presented at three magnification levels. Notice two things:

(1) The real audio only extends from 0 to ~3600 Hz. But it is completely obliterated by bit starvation. Do you see all those thousands of dark areas where there's no color? Those are areas where there is no audio at all. Think of those dark areas as the equivalent of macroblocks in overly compressed JPEG images. When images are compressed too much in JPEG format, the encoder gives up in certain areas and simply wipes away all detail, filling those areas with a solid, flat color. This is what audio codecs do too, except they fill those areas with silence. The bitrate you are witnessing here with IBOC AM is so insanely low, the encoder is literally disintegrating the audio. The best metaphor I can even imagine for this is that if IBOC AM were photography, it would be photography printed on dot matrix printers. This is absolutely the reason why, to your and my ears, this audio sounds like phasey, reverberant, pre-echoy hash.

(2) All the audio above ~3600 Hz is fake (spectral band replication), synthesized by the decoder by generating harmonics from the fundamentals found within the 0 to ~3600 Hz (real audio) range (plus using extra metadata that SBR encoders include to give decoders hints on how to calculate those harmonics for maximum possible "realism"). However, if you look carefully, you will notice something important. The synthesized treble range actually, really only exists from ~3600 to ~7200 Hz. Between ~7200 Hz and ~9600 Hz you will find nothing more than a copy of what's between ~3600 and ~7200 Hz, pitch shifted upward. And then, once again, starting at ~9600 Hz, you will notice that there exists yet a third instance of that fake treble, pitch shifted up again, from the one just below it. And the visual differences you see between all three copies of that fake treble are the transmogrifications the SBR metadata's "hints" caused your decoder to spew; i.e., they are the ways that the metadata made your decoder differently synthesize each copy, in an attempt to guess at how the audio's original treble might have naturally varied over the entire spectrum from 3600 Hz up to infinity. And what's crucial to know about that is this. In spite of those differences, the foundation of the fake treble within all three of those stacked copies is audio that is identical/duplicated. And when you "spectrally copy and paste" audio in this way, you give it a very gritty, metallic texture that's essentially identical to the sound of aliasing distortion.

If you (or anyone else reading this) doesn't know exactly what aliasing distortion sounds like, I made a demonstration manually in software to make the sound of it extremely clear, and am providing it here as a very short WAV file:

https://files.catbox.moe/u5zphd.wav
https://files.catbox.moe/x2og3q.jpg (spectral graph)

Please view its accompanying spectral graph image to understand what you're hearing in the WAV. It consists of a 5 second clip taken from a random CD, repeated 5 times in a row. That clip is also lowpassed at 4 kHz. But each time you hear it repeat, a copy of the audio that exists between 0 and 4 kHz is pitch shifted (Hilbert transform-style) upward by 4 kHz and mixed in, resulting in you hearing spectrally stacked copies of that audio. The stacking keeps going with each iteration until you hear 4 stacked copies spanning 0-16 kHz. Finally, the fifth time you hear the clip, the audio goes back to its completely natural form, with no stacking, and now without any lowpassing. This final time is just so you can A/B compare the sound of "full aliasing-based fake treble" (in iteration #4) with "full real treble" (in iteration #5). Using this demonstration WAV, it should be possible to discern the gritty, metallic sound aliasing distortion creates, and then, upon going back to the KLVZ FLAC, it should be easier to mentally pick out that same metallic, gritty texture in its audio from 3600 Hz up. (That texture won't be as loud in that FLAC, since again, each stacked copy in the KLVZ audio is being transmogrified using SBR metadata to minimize how unnatural it would otherwise sound. But that metadata can't hide the aliasing-like sound of that spectral stacking completely. Listen during Kenny Rogers' vocal "solo" starting at 12m:23s, for instance.)

Anyway. Back to the crux of this. The reason IBOC AM sounds so bad is that not only is its audio completely destroyed beneath ~3600 Hz by the equivalent of being "dot matrix printed," but above 3600 Hz, the treble is both synthetic and filled with the gritty, metallic aliasing distortion texture once synonymous with cheap D/A circuits in retro video game consoles and early 8-bit sound cards. Based on how bit starved everything below 3600 Hz appears (and sounds) in particular, I would say that IBOC's claimed 40 kbit/s for AM mode may secretly include all the bits used by forward error correction. In which case the audio's true bitrate would be much lower.

To truly show the difference between IBOC AM and HE-AAC, here is a video I made depicting the same 5 seconds of the song used in the WAV file above being encoded at every possible bitrate between 24 kbit/s and 128 kbit/s in HE-AAC mode.

https://files.catbox.moe/aine6a.mp4

Notice how even at 24 kbit/s, the sub-SDR region of the HE-AAC audio is nowhere near as "dot matrixed" as the "40 kbit/s" IBOC AM audio in your FLAC. And by the time the HE-AAC audio's bitrate climbs to 40 kbit/s, it is many, many times superior to IBOC AM. By 40 kbit/s, there's even enough transmogrification metadata being included to virtually eliminate the sameness of each stacked copy of the fake treble. (Note: I placed a yellow line on the right-hand frequency scale in each frame to highlight where the transition boundary between the real and fake treble exists at each bitrate. As can be seen, at IBOC AM's alleged 40 kbit/s bitrate, genuine HE-AAC is encoding real audio all the way to 6300 Hz, compared to IBOC AM only encoding it to 3600 Hz.)

Here is another video, a zoomed-in version of the video above, showing just the 24, 32, 40, and 48 kbit/s bitrates:

https://files.catbox.moe/wizdiy.mp4

With this video, you can appreciate the difference between IBOC AM and HE-AAC all the more. At 24 kbit/s, within the sub-SBR range, HE-AAC only looks "close to but not quite as bad" as 40 kbit/s IBOC AM. By the time the HE-AAC reaches 32 kbit/s, it is definitely better than IBOC AM at 40 kbit/s. And by 40 kbit/s itself, there is just no comparison: HE-AAC wins. (My yellow highlights are also present in this video, for reference.)

So there you have it. This is Why IBOC AM Sounds So Bad, The Visual Edition. Either it is an inferior knock-off of true HE-AAC that's nowhere near as good at 40 kbit/s, or it is comparable but the 40 kbit/s figure Ibiquity quoted for AM "secretly" includes FEC. By the looks and sound of what's in your KLVZ aircheck, I want to say the audio is probably around the equivalent of 24 kbit/s or even 20 or 18 kbit/s HE-AAC.
 
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Postscript to the above message (which was getting too long to post!):

As long as I was generating all these videos, I wanted to make two more, for the curious among those reading, showing what happens to the same 5 seconds of audio as above if you encode it at every single possible bitrate between 24 kbit/s and 320 kbit/s in the MP3 and AAC-LC formats (AAC-LC = non-SBR AAC, i.e. what iTunes encodes its .m4a files with):

https://files.catbox.moe/1k00pp.mp4 (MP3)
https://files.catbox.moe/u2k8sa.mp4 (AAC-LC)

It goes without saying that the effects are quite dramatic. If you are running a station, and your high treble hearing perhaps isn't quite what it used to be, please look at these carefully and understand what you're doing to your coveted younger demographics' ears if you continue to stream at "yesterday's bitrates." The "dot matrix" artifacting in the highest highs are as audible to them as the "dot matrixing" was to you in the midrage of Mark's KLVZ aircheck. As these two last videos illustrate, the MP3 format does not stop "dot matrixing" its upper regions until you reach a full 320 kbit/s. And while AAC-LC is an impressive improvement over MP3 (especially by 56 kbit/s and up), it too doesn't stop most of its "dot matrixing" until around 224-256 kbit/s. This is why, whenever I have the chance, I evangelize the idea of streaming MP3 at 320 kbit/s and AAC-LC at 256 kbit/s. And as far as HE-AAC, if you go back and re-examine the video of it (aine6a.mp4), you will note that the "dot matrixing" in the sub-SDR region does not sufficiently vanish until 112 kbit/s. At bitrates above that, there is no practical improvement possible from HE-AAC, because sub-SDR, most spectral holes are already gone, and within the SDR region, everything remains fake, no matter how much you up the bitrate. The real/fake threshold even stays at ~9800 Hz all the way to 320 kbit/s. Experts generally say AAC-LC should be used instead of HE-AAC above 112 kbit/s, as beginning at 128 kbit/s, it becomes preferable to have some "dot matrixing" in real highs than to have completely fake highs above ~9800 Hz. (And of course, that "dot matrixing" vanishes for all intents by 224-256 kbit/s.)

Mark, one last thing about your KLVZ FLAC. To me, the worst sounding audio in the entire aircheck wasn't Kenny Rogers, but whatever was playing at around 5m40s. That section had to be the most jumbled mess of discordant noise I've ever heard from a professional broadcast station. Spectral graphs:

https://files.catbox.moe/4u6023.png
https://files.catbox.moe/whsvks.png (zoom)

At last, the end.
 
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Great idea, and I get it -- but who does that anymore? They just use Spotify, Pandora, etc. on their phone. BT it to their car soundsystem, or home computer system. Most of them probably don't have their favorite songs in a folder on their phone anymore. That ship sailed 10 years ago.
Music licensing fees will continue to increase until services like Spotify and Pandora start having constant battles with intellectual property holders the way cable companies do with networks. The people who keep local copies of all their favorite music will be the winners when cable company carriage dispute and blackout bullsh%t begins happening with streaming music services.

That said, I don't fault people for using Spotify and Pandora for the convenience. But nobody who is serious about music will stop obtaining permanent local copies of everything they like just because streaming has appeared. (Imagine not buying albums in the pre-internet days just because a radio station is playing all your favorite songs -- until, oops, a format change takes them all way!)
 
It's truly amazing. When I started WorldRadioHistory, I kept my backups on recordable CDs or DVDs. Using HDs was too expensive. Now, I have 5 NAS drives in redundant RAID. The latest has 54tb in RAID capacity and cost less than $2000 to assemble. I have a total over over 200tb with similar double reliability.
At this rate of re-defining "bottomless" in bottomless storage, lossy video compression will soon be considered passe and only for the plebeians.
 
Music licensing fees will continue to increase until services like Spotify and Pandora start having constant battles with intellectual property holders the way cable companies do with networks. The people who keep local copies of all their favorite music will be the winners when cable company carriage dispute and blackout bullsh%t begins happening with streaming music services.

That said, I don't fault people for using Spotify and Pandora for the convenience. But nobody who is serious about music will stop obtaining permanent local copies of everything they like just because streaming has appeared. (Imagine not buying albums in the pre-internet days just because a radio station is playing all your favorite songs -- until, oops, a format change takes them all way!)
I agree in principle, as I prefer CD's and even actual MP3's for personal use at home. But the average music listener today doesn't share our opinion. The IPod with all the soundfiles is shoved away in some drawer somewhere, and the old phones with all the MP3's on them may have suffered the same fate. The old laptop with all the MP3's on it may have broken down long ago. Some may have been recycled. People don't generally stick with purchased music when they can stream.

Now, if the streaming services jack up their rates high enough that it pushes away listeners, yes, there may be an renewed interest in MP3's and some sort of MP3 file sharing. MP3's and the like may become more popular on local devices. But whether that ever happens is a good question. Spotify, Apple, Google (YT) and Pandora are fairly big companies with a lot of clout. If the Music Industry wants to fight them over digital royalties, they may have a pretty good fight on their hands. Because right now, Streaming is the dominant (and one could say) only method of music consumption out there. Without Spotify and other services, the Record Co's have no income.
 
Before anything else, thanks for the detailed explanation. I learned quite a bit from it and have a more solid basis for thinking what I had intuited before.

This is exactly the sound I remember hearing using my aforementioned aftermarket IBOC AM receiver years ago. And this confirms my recollection that IBOC AM is atrocious compared to regular HE-AAC. In fact, thanks to your aircheck, I can now see exactly why. {...}

These show the spectrum of 12 seconds of the "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town" song you pointed out, presented at three magnification levels. Notice two things:

(1) The real audio only extends from 0 to ~3600 Hz. But it is completely obliterated by bit starvation. Do you see all those thousands of dark areas where there's no color? Those are areas where there is no audio at all. Think of those dark areas as the equivalent of macroblocks in overly compressed JPEG images. When images are compressed too much in JPEG format, the encoder gives up in certain areas and simply wipes away all detail, filling those areas with a solid, flat color. This is what audio codecs do too, except they fill those areas with silence.
Looking at the graphs reminds me of dropouts seen on 2" quad videotape. In essence, the algorithm is creating dropouts at the boundaries of frequency bands.

The bitrate you are witnessing here with IBOC AM is so insanely low, the encoder is literally disintegrating the audio. The best metaphor I can even imagine for this is that if IBOC AM were photography, it would be photography printed on dot matrix printers. This is absolutely the reason why, to your and my ears, this audio sounds like phasey, reverberant, pre-echoy hash.
It also appears that the advertised bitrate doesn't match reality. Are all those extra bits for error correction to counteract the effects of interference to an AM signal?

(2) All the audio above ~3600 Hz is fake (spectral band replication), synthesized by the decoder by generating harmonics from the fundamentals found within the 0 to ~3600 Hz (real audio) range (plus using extra metadata that SBR encoders include to give decoders hints on how to calculate those harmonics for maximum possible "realism"). However, if you look carefully, you will notice something important. The synthesized treble range actually, really only exists from ~3600 to ~7200 Hz. Between ~7200 Hz and ~9600 Hz you will find nothing more than a copy of what's between ~3600 and ~7200 Hz, pitch shifted upward. And then, once again, starting at ~9600 Hz, you will notice that there exists yet a third instance of that fake treble, pitch shifted up again, from the one just below it. And the visual differences you see between all three copies of that fake treble are the transmogrifications the SBR metadata's "hints" caused your decoder to spew; i.e., they are the ways that the metadata made your decoder differently synthesize each copy, in an attempt to guess at how the audio's original treble might have naturally varied over the entire spectrum from 3600 Hz up to infinity. And what's crucial to know about that is this. In spite of those differences, the foundation of the fake treble within all three of those stacked copies is audio that is identical/duplicated. And when you "spectrally copy and paste" audio in this way, you give it a very gritty, metallic texture that's essentially identical to the sound of aliasing distortion.
{...}

Anyway. Back to the crux of this. The reason IBOC AM sounds so bad is that not only is its audio completely destroyed beneath ~3600 Hz by the equivalent of being "dot matrix printed," but above 3600 Hz, the treble is both synthetic and filled with the gritty, metallic aliasing distortion texture once synonymous with cheap D/A circuits in retro video game consoles and early 8-bit sound cards. Based on how bit starved everything below 3600 Hz appears (and sounds) in particular, I would say that IBOC's claimed 40 kbit/s for AM mode may secretly include all the bits used by forward error correction. In which case the audio's true bitrate would be much lower.
So it makes copies of copies that themselves are compromised to start with. No wonder the result is what it is.

So there you have it. This is Why IBOC AM Sounds So Bad, The Visual Edition. Either it is an inferior knock-off of true HE-AAC that's nowhere near as good at 40 kbit/s, or it is comparable but the 40 kbit/s figure Ibiquity quoted for AM "secretly" includes FEC. By the looks and sound of what's in your KLVZ aircheck, I want to say the audio is probably around the equivalent of 24 kbit/s or even 20 or 18 kbit/s HE-AAC.
I think that answered my question about error correction. That would make sense since an AM signal is so prone to interference. In theory, a digital signal ought to be able to ignore most of that but imagine what intense electrical interference could do.



It goes without saying that the effects are quite dramatic. If you are running a station, and your high treble hearing perhaps isn't quite what it used to be, please look at these carefully and understand what you're doing to your coveted younger demographics' ears if you continue to stream at "yesterday's bitrates." The "dot matrix" artifacting in the highest highs are as audible to them as the "dot matrixing" was to you in the midrage of Mark's KLVZ aircheck. As these two last videos illustrate, the MP3 format does not stop "dot matrixing" its upper regions until you reach a full 320 kbit/s. And while AAC-LC is an impressive improvement over MP3 (especially by 56 kbit/s and up), it too doesn't stop most of its "dot matrixing" until around 224-256 kbit/s. This is why, whenever I have the chance, I evangelize the idea of streaming MP3 at 320 kbit/s and AAC-LC at 256 kbit/s. And as far as HE-AAC, if you go back and re-examine the video of it (aine6a.mp4), you will note that the "dot matrixing" in the sub-SDR region does not sufficiently vanish until 112 kbit/s. At bitrates above that, there is no practical improvement possible from HE-AAC, because sub-SDR, most spectral holes are already gone, and within the SDR region, everything remains fake, no matter how much you up the bitrate. The real/fake threshold even stays at ~9800 Hz all the way to 320 kbit/s. Experts generally say AAC-LC should be used instead of HE-AAC above 112 kbit/s, as beginning at 128 kbit/s, it becomes preferable to have some "dot matrixing" in real highs than to have completely fake highs above ~9800 Hz. (And of course, that "dot matrixing" vanishes for all intents by 224-256 kbit/s.)
Possible answers for why this is are not flattering to broadcasters: neglect, carelessness, lack of understanding, being cheap with bandwidth, etc. But more on that in a moment.

Mark, one last thing about your KLVZ FLAC. To me, the worst sounding audio in the entire aircheck wasn't Kenny Rogers, but whatever was playing at around 5m40s. That section had to be the most jumbled mess of discordant noise I've ever heard from a professional broadcast station. Spectral graphs:
The tune is Just Once in My Life by the Righteous Brothers (1965), with the typical Phil Spector production. So the destructive compression is adding reverberation on top of what is already reverberant. I agree, it sounds like mud.

There's more to the story, though it has nothing to do with HD. But it does have everything to do with how AM stations sound to the listener.

I'm beginning to think that at least some broadcasters don't care about what excessive compression does. In Denver, iHeart has three talk stations: KHOW, KDFD, and KOA. KOA is the crown jewel; the other two are also-rans. The metallic, hissy sound of digital compression is very much in evidence, whether it's local or national programming. Here are two 9-minute samples today, recorded in east-central Denver from a receiver (Tecsun PL-320) with a claimed 9 kHz audio bandwidth, which happens to just about match my hearing frequency range these days. In addition, KOA seems to be pushing its audio level just a little too hard, resulting in overload-related distortion. (edit: these are recordings of analog AM)

KHOW 3:27 pm:

KOA 3:57 pm:

KOA sounds a little better than KHOW as far as digital compression goes but it still sounds like it's about a 32-40 kbps bitrate that's in use. maybe even less. What the {bleep}? Even worse, I hear these same effects on KBCO, which is an FM station - and I mean its analog signal. It's appalling. Is this some effort to get the sound on the stream to match the sound on the radio?

It's also not just iHeart. I've heard Audacy do the same thing with KCBS in San Francisco. I won't be able to get samples of that until October when I go back to the Bay Area to take care of some unfinished business. In any event, it sounds like crap and station operators ought to know and do better.

These different considerations also make me wonder about FM HD. I start hearing adverse effects when a station has two digital programs and it gets worse from there. In that case, I guess you have to ask which is worse, artifacts from lossy digital compression or multipath? I'm lukewarm toward FM HD at best, but I can see that that particular question could have different answers based on circumstances.
 
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That said, I don't fault people for using Spotify and Pandora for the convenience. But nobody who is serious about music will stop obtaining permanent local copies of everything they like just because streaming has appeared. (Imagine not buying albums in the pre-internet days just because a radio station is playing all your favorite songs -- until, oops, a format change takes them all way!)
There are also use cases where streaming just doesn't work. Commuting on BART in the tunnel under the San Francisco Bay is one example.

Also don't assume connectivity is continuous. They're pretty reliable these days but networks can and do go down even yet.
 
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