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I'd say that we have differing opinions, but you want to make yours more valid by challenging both my right to a differing one and all my 60 years of experience doing radio news after growing up in a newspaper home.

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Regardless of how wrong it is. The problem is we have a president who is using the power of the federal government to carry out his personal vendetta based on his own incorrect opinions. And people are following him.

We might as well pass laws preventing Catholics from holding political office, because we all know they take instructions from the Pope, not the American people. That's the area we've entered here.

It doesn't matter if every reporter in the country is a registered democrat and they all donate $1000 a piece to their favorite candidate. The constitution says they have a right to their opinion, and a lot of soldiers have died on battlefields for them to have that right.

With regards to the politics of reporters, remember that this country attempted to have a fairness doctrine. The government tried to regulate how political issues were covered on radio & TV. The rule was repealed under Reagan. The view was the government shouldn't determine what's fair. Using that same logic, the president or any politician can't determine what's biased. But if you want to bring back the fairness doctrine in order to get fairness in media, then let us know so we can start hiring people with opposing views at all the conservative talk stations. I think it would be good for radio and good for the country. But that's just my opinion, and we know what that's worth.
 
What's offensive is when a moderator can post his OPINIONS and make wild claims that are not factual.
It's insufferable.
Opinions are like, uh, well, tongues. Everyone has one. The information I have included in my posts is significantly documented, but those who do not believe it will find fault in those sources... as you are doing now.
Journalists are under attack in this country for simply doing their jobs. Reporting a fact like Joe Biden won the 2020 election is considered heresy by many people...
I never said that, so don't lay a false claim on me. I just went through, with a news-based station I consult, a several week period in which the losing candidate refused to concede in what all international agencies monitoring it, was a fair election. I've witnessed at least a dozen cases of losing candidates refusing to concede, so it is nothing new or unusual or, in fact, improper. It's just annoying as I never saw a presidential election anywhere I have worked reversed on a recounts or due to protests or legal filings.
 
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Regardless of how wrong it is. The problem we have now is we have a president who is using the power of the federal government to carry out his personal vendetta based on his own incorrect opinions. And people are following him.

We might as well pass laws preventing Catholics from holding political office, because we all know they take instructions from the Pope, not the American people. That's the area we've entered here.

It doesn't matter if every reporter in the country is a registered democrat and they all donate $1000 a piece to their favorite candidate. The constitution says they have a right to their opinion, and a lot of soldiers have died on battlefields for them to have that right.

With regards to the politics of reporters, remember that this country attempted to have a fairness doctrine. The government tried to regulate how political issues were covered on radio & TV. The rule was repealed under Reagan. The view was the government shouldn't determine what's fair. Using that same logic, the president or any politician can't determine what's biased. But if you want to bring back the fairness doctrine in order to get fairness in media, then let us know so we can start hiring people with opposing views at all the conservative talk stations. I think it would be good for radio and good for the country. But that's just my opinion, and we know what that's worth.
Those are all good points, and not arguable as they represent your opinion.

The way I see this issue in the media is that we have a case where a President is pushing the powers of his power to issue edicts that sometimes brutally push existing laws and regulations. We are seeing an inordinate number of them going to the courts, where even the appointments of judges are being challenged.

As to the Fairness Doctrine, remember that what it did was keep most (please not I say "most" and not "all") medium and smaller market stations from doing any kind of controversial talk programming. Stations did not editorialize because they would have be subjected by all manner of Equal Time requests.

Remember, during much of the time that Fairness was in effect, we also had the NAB Code of Ethics. That code was considered to be collusion by legal counsel of the NAB and dropped. There was considerable pressure against the Fairness Doctrine based on it forcing radio and TV to do something no print medium was obligated to do which was to present all manner of opposing viewpoints; it was repealed more because it forced on electronic media something that "our" competitors in the print world did not have to deal with.
 
There was considerable pressure against the Fairness Doctrine based on it forcing radio and TV to do something no print medium was obligated to do which was to present all manner of opposing viewpoints; it was repealed more because it forced on electronic media something that "our" competitors in the print world did not have to deal with.

Which is why your opinion about the political parties of reporters is irrelevant. There is no quota system and no fairness doctrine. We can all say whatever we want, even if it offends the president.
 
Which is why your opinion about the political parties of reporters is irrelevant. There is no quota system and no fairness doctrine. We can all say whatever we want, even if it offends the president.
Of course you can. But the issue here is whether the Federal Government should be financing any type of electronic media, irrespective of each medium's polarization. I think that the best solution is to have the government stay out of owning or providing content to radio and TV of any type of flavor.

As I have said here, the former newscaster from Arizona who is part of this subject has taken a partisan position. I think that is wrong, as the better discussion involves whether elected governments should have media outlets of any kind.
 
Of course you can. But the issue here is whether the Federal Government should be financing any type of electronic media, irrespective of each medium's polarization. I think that the best solution is to have the government stay out of owning or providing content to radio and TV of any type of flavor.

The government doesn't do that. The government funds an independent corporation. It determines who qualifies for the funding based on very clear and detailed criteria. Those independent media companies own and provide the content. The government isn't involved at all. All of this was spelled out in the public broadcasting act. If congress wants to repeal it, they'll need to get 60% in the senate. Until then, it's the president's job to follow the law.

BTW the CEO of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is a former vice-chairman of the republican party. Trump re-appointed her. Everything is fair & legal except for the actions of the president.
 
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The government doesn't do that. The government funds an independent corporation. It determines who qualifies for the funding based on very clear and detailed criteria.
That is an argument about words and their meaning. The fact is that the federal government provides some funding that goes to radio and TV. My opinion is that this is not the job of the government.
Those independent media companies own and provide the content. The government isn't involved at all.
They provide money.
All of this was spelled out in the public broadcasting act. If congress wants to repeal it, they'll need to get 60% in the senate. Until then, it's the president's job to follow the law.
And the issue right now is whether the sitting president has the authority to use presidential edicts of any name to change the particulars of such agreements.
BTW the CEO of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is a former vice-chairman of the republican party. Trump re-appointed her. Everything is fair & legal except for the actions of the president.
Each government branch must have a head unless it is closed or merged with another agency. For example, the Department of Homeland Security sprung into existence recently with multiple independent agencies being folded into it. In such a case, the hierarchy changes.
 
That is an argument about words and their meaning. The fact is that the federal government provides some funding that goes to radio and TV. My opinion is that this is not the job of the government.

It doesn't matter. I don't think it's the job of the government to do a lot of things. Nobody asks me. So if congress passes a law, it's the job of the president to follow it.
And the issue right now is whether the sitting president has the authority to use presidential edicts of any name to change the particulars of such agreements.

It's very simple. He doesn't. The power of the purse is in congress. It's in the constitution.

Each government branch must have a head unless it is closed or merged with another agency. For example, the Department of Homeland Security sprung into existence recently with multiple independent agencies being folded into it. In such a case, the hierarchy changes.

Not so for CPB. It was established by congress, and reports to them. Not the president. It's not part of the exec branch. It was designed that way on purpose.
 
That has been estimated many times, based on party affiliation, donations and the like. I'd bet that around 90% of all journalists in radio, TV, print and online are either registered Democrats or are partial to the Democratic Party platform.
I'd bet that around 95% of commercial talk radio is comprised of hosts partisan to the Republican Party platform.

And?

I've been told for years that's just good business and the free market at work.

I've worked around some pretty amazing journalists, reporters, anchors. I got to know some of them as friends. Sure, I could tell where some leaned on the issues. Others, I couldn't. Either way, when they did their work, I saw them work hard, gather facts, and do their best to write and speak facts as best they could gather them. They didn't openly engage in partisan activities. I know some of them didn't even vote.

But the majority of them that I've known did their jobs to the best of their ability under extreme commercial and managerial pressures, ever-shortening airtimes and having fewer resources with every round of cuts. And they did it honestly. Regardless of their personal leanings.

I think the lack of diversity of opinion on commercial talk radio, the extreme hyperbole, the character assassinations (somewhere there's a host still blaming every crime on the Clintons) and the outright alarmist and borderline seditionist ideas pushed by some hosts, especially when a Democrat is in the White House, has been far more damaging to the culture of this country than sometimes dry and often exceedingly polite and centrist NPR.

But both have the right to exist. And to hear the same people who thought an Obama FCC's ideals on "localism" were backdoor socialism, cheer on the attacks on reporters, media outlets, and NPR, grinds my gears.

The current administration hasn't calmly and maturely articulated their case against NPR, or gone through proper channels and procedures. Instead, they've chosen to wage a culture war.

A culture war I've seen played out by supporters of this administration on the textline and inbox of a top 10 market station. Where daily, we'd see people "interacting" with us by attacking our anchors and reporters. Using racial slurs and graphic sexist terms against our female staff and people of color. Telling us we were being paid by the Clintons, Gates or Soros to lie, and we'd one day go before tribunals and firing squads for "promoting the clot shot." Talking about armed revolutions, ranting about "diversity hires" and links to Rumble and Truth Social nonsense asking why we weren't reporting the "REAL NEWS."

But you can read back through threads and emails. That junk wasn't coming from Hillary or Bernie supporters. Not from those who voted for Biden or Harris. That anger, that hate, came from those that support the current administration.

I don't say that to say it represents all Trump voters, or all of the Republican Party. My family is mostly Republican, and many of my dearest friends and colleagues.

I say it to center on this point. That what we're seeing towards NPR, and journalism more broadly, is not merely a matter of budget. It is a clearly strategic culture war, designed to degrade not only the resources and courage to do journalism, but to undermine the entire concept of it and weaken any voices that are too vocal or effective in opposition or even simply balancing coverage.

This war on the media, journalism, NPR...it's not American. It's downright Putin's Russia.
 

Here is a statement by America's Public Television Stations over the Recission threat. In this case this group has to wait on the verdicts of the NPR, CPB and PBS lawsuits.

“America’s Public Television Stations strongly oppose the rescissions package to eliminate funding for local public media stations throughout the country.

“Americans in every corner of this country rely on our local public television stations to provide lifesaving public safety and educational services and local community connections for free, every day. These services are only made possible by the federal funding for public media.

“We urge Congress to reject this destructive proposal to eliminate public media funding and public media itself.

“This proposed elimination of CPB funding – the substantial majority of which goes to local stations – will result in immediate and serious cuts of stations’ local services and in some cases the total closure of stations, particularly in rural communities.
 
I'd bet that around 95% of commercial talk radio is comprised of hosts partisan to the Republican Party platform.
We know that, and it is because liberal / progressive talk radio did not take off when it was tried as a network, and has only met with a few local successes with specific talents.

We all have opinions on the causes of Air America failing. It may have been inexperienced management, or not enough stations. My feel is that the hosts, for the most part, were very intense and sounded like political rally speakers while most of the conservative hosts, starting with Limbaugh, were more casual and understood radio audiences better in the sense that they had to be entertainers first.

Example: if you listen to one talk show that is entertaining even though it is about a boring subject, then that would be Kim Komando. Somehow, she sounds friendly and interesting while discussing varying types of hard drives and strange virus attacks.
I've worked around some pretty amazing journalists, reporters, anchors. I got to know some of them as friends. Sure, I could tell where some leaned on the issues. Others, I couldn't. Either way, when they did their work, I saw them work hard, gather facts, and do their best to write and speak facts as best they could gather them. They didn't openly engage in partisan activities. I know some of them didn't even vote.

But the majority of them that I've known did their jobs to the best of their ability under extreme commercial and managerial pressures, ever-shortening airtimes and having fewer resources with every round of cuts. And they did it honestly. Regardless of their personal leanings.
I'd say that is true in a majority of cases. But all it takes is an extraneous remark in a news story that indicates polarizatioin for me to have considerable doubts. The example I already gave was a discussion of a Trump statement about tariffs in which it was said "regarding the tariffs, convicted felon Trump said...". The real estate valuation case this refers to has nothing to do with tariffs and is irrelevant in the contest. Further, the case is being appealed and has considerable educated opinion believing that the appeal will reverse the contrived conviction.
I think the lack of diversity of opinion on commercial talk radio, the extreme hyperbole, the character assassinations (somewhere there's a host still blaming every crime on the Clintons) and the outright alarmist and borderline seditionist ideas pushed by some hosts, especially when a Democrat is in the White House, has been far more damaging to the culture of this country than sometimes dry and often exceedingly polite and centrist NPR.
That is tone, and it is in openly partisan discussions by commentators. I am referring to content on what is supposed to be newscasts which flavors the stories so that even a moderate, centrist conservative finds it polarized.

If we want to get into biased content, try the three major network post-evening-news talk shows. Not a cable network, but the three largest OTA networks in the country.
The current administration hasn't calmly and maturely articulated their case against NPR, or gone through proper channels and procedures. Instead, they've chosen to wage a culture war.

Oh, I agree there. This is horribly done, and the people put into the various agencies that deal with everything from the VOA to support for PBS, NPR et. al. are terrible appointments. Still, there is a need in my opinion for the government to get out of this type of activity as it will always reflect whomever is leading the current administration.
A culture war I've seen played out by supporters of this administration on the textline and inbox of a top 10 market station. Where daily, we'd see people "interacting" with us by attacking our anchors and reporters. Using racial slurs and graphic sexist terms against our female staff and people of color. Telling us we were being paid by the Clintons, Gates or Soros to lie, and we'd one day go before tribunals and firing squads for "promoting the clot shot." Talking about armed revolutions, ranting about "diversity hires" and links to Rumble and Truth Social nonsense asking why we weren't reporting the "REAL NEWS."
I wish you had not brought in Soros. That ruined your whole, particularly if you have friends and relatives in the UK who have suffered year after year after he "ruined" the Pound and wrecked the British economy. In any case, I can also bring up equal cases of demonstrations and vandalism and destruction from the other side, so we have to conclude that any major political party will have a percentage of fanatics who are well out of their minds.
I say it to center on this point. That what we're seeing towards NPR, and journalism more broadly, is not merely a matter of budget. It is a clearly strategic culture war, designed to degrade not only the resources and courage to do journalism, but to undermine the entire concept of it and weaken any voices that are too vocal or effective in opposition or even simply balancing coverage.
Nah. It's just a strong feeling that the government should not be involved in any media. For about 200 years when print was king, the government did not run newspapers of subsidize their content creation.
This war on the media, journalism, NPR...it's not American. It's downright Putin's Russia.
I agree that the way it is being done is inappropriate. But there are many people who believe all the major media, from ABC, CBS and NBC to WaPost and the NYT are in some form biased or prejudiced in much of their content.

While I have been criticized for sharing my experiences, I have to say that I have worked in countries that are vastly close to "Putin's Russia" than to the U.S. To me, the comparison you suggest is vastly exaggerated and nowhere near global reality.
 
Those are all good points, and not arguable as they represent your opinion.

The way I see this issue in the media is that we have a case where a President is pushing the powers of his power to issue edicts that sometimes brutally push existing laws and regulations. We are seeing an inordinate number of them going to the courts, where even the appointments of judges are being challenged.

As to the Fairness Doctrine, remember that what it did was keep most (please not I say "most" and not "all") medium and smaller market stations from doing any kind of controversial talk programming. Stations did not editorialize because they would have be subjected by all manner of Equal Time requests.

Remember, during much of the time that Fairness was in effect, we also had the NAB Code of Ethics. That code was considered to be collusion by legal counsel of the NAB and dropped. There was considerable pressure against the Fairness Doctrine based on it forcing radio and TV to do something no print medium was obligated to do which was to present all manner of opposing viewpoints; it was repealed more because it forced on electronic media something that "our" competitors in the print world did not have to deal with.

I think it might be advisable to explain why both the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule (not discussed thus far but which does have some bearing on this matter) came to be in the first place. This is taken from both my memory of what I learned at Loyola Marymount University during the early 1980s and the first episode of the WNYC's "Divided Dial," from last year. And, of course, anybody is free to correct me.

Originally, there was no Equal Time rule or fairness doctrine for radio or television. It wasn't written in the Federal Radio Act of 1927; nor was it written in the Communications Act of 1934, the law that created the FCC.

In 1936 (if memory serves), a Catholic priest named Charles Coughlin purchased airtime on Detroit's WJR, Los Angeles' KMPC, and a third station (whose callsign I now forget). He used this airtime to attack President Franklin D. Roosevelt and his policies, especially his foreign policy towards Nazi Germany. Father Coughlin was very fond of the policies that Adolf Hitler was putting in place in Germany and called for many of those policies (including some against Jews) to be instituted in the U.S. Because he was on at one 50kW station (WJR) and because there were a lot fewer radio stations then than now, Father Coughlin got a lot of public support for his viewpoints, and, on radio at least, nobody was challenging him. It wasn't until the onset of U.S. involvement in World War II that Father Coughlin lost his show due to public opinion finally turning against him.

Per "The Divided Dial,", during WWII, the U.S. government didn't allow radio stations to broadcast any comments opposing U.S. participation in the war. Many critics, including the ACLU, were very concerned about this policy. (In fact, I believe the ACLU may have taken this to court, but I don't know the outcome.)

After the war, the Truman Administration agreed that not allowing radio stations to air commentaries on current controversial topics wasn't a good idea--it made for people less knowledgeable about the issues. In 1949, both the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule were created by the FCC. Of these, the Equal Time Rule was the more controversial in that it required that if a radio station had a candidate for political office on the air, it had to offer the same air time at the same rates to any other political candidates running for that office. In contrast, the Fairness Doctrine was much looser; all it required was that if a radio station ran a commentary on a controversial issue, it must also let its listeners know what those on the other side of that issue were saying. Unlike the Equal Time Rule, there was no same time requirement nor same rate requirement--the opposing view could be buried late at night.

DavidEduardo is correct in the reasons President Reagan gave for removing the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule in 1987. From my perspective, the results have been disastrous! We are mostly getting just one side of controversial issues and only the candidates with the most money can get their voices heard on most commercial radio outlets these days.

Public radio, including NPR, has (mostly) been the exception. Public radio stations, especially around election time, *will* do news features on (usually) all of the major candidates in statewide and big city races, regardless of party. And, in those states (like my current home state of Arizona), the local public radio outlets will extensively cover any initiatives that may be on the ballot.

I was alittle surprised by DavidEduardo's argument that stations in small towns didn't cover political issues because of the Fairness Doctrine. I very well remember being up at Camp Tatia [not sure of spelling] (a summer camp for blind children near Show Low, Arizona) in 1976 and listening to a *very* anti-Communist commentary by one Allen (or was it Alan) Stang. KVSL didn't air the other side of his commentaries that I ever heard, and I have no knowledge of any attempts to revoke the station's license for airing those commentaries without response. (As a then 13-year-old kid, I thought they were great--I later learned that they were mostly lies.)

My point in this long post was to try, as best I can, to explain how and why the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time Rule came about in the first place and to comment on what has happened since they were removed. Sadly, I don't think that either policy could stand up to our courts today, particularly U.S. Supreme Court scrutiny. For the U.S. experiment in democracy to continue, we need to have a well-informed citizenry and I fear that, especially with threatened Presidential actions against the CPB, that citizenry will become much less informed than it's ever been.
 
I was alittle surprised by DavidEduardo's argument that stations in small towns didn't cover political issues because of the Fairness Doctrine. I very well remember being up at Camp Tatia [not sure of spelling] (a summer camp for blind children near Show Low, Arizona) in 1976 and listening to a *very* anti-Communist commentary by one Allen (or was it Alan) Stang. KVSL didn't air the other side of his commentaries that I ever heard, and I have no knowledge of any attempts to revoke the station's license for airing those commentaries without response. (As a then 13-year-old kid, I thought they were great--I later learned that they were mostly lies.)
Great perspective to Equal Time and Fairness.

Equal Time does permit stations to limit all candidates to a specific amount of time within those "lowest rate" requirements. I even got an informal ruling from the FCC through my attorney at Koteen & Burt that allowed my stations in Puerto Rico to set a maximum number of spots any candidate could buy, and those limits varied by race. The idea was to keep from having two or three political spots in every break which our research indicated that our mostly female listeners objected to strongly.

You probably noted that I said "most" when I said that smaller stations did not generally want to get involved with equal time issues. They just did not want to spend on legal costs with their Washington attorney for every complaint and issue, so they avoided any station-generated controversial subjects. That did not mean they limited news coverage, but that they did not editorialize or do commentary that might upset anyone and make them complain to the FCC:
 
This is a really fascinating discussion........one of the most interesting ever, for me as a listener. But I have a question for anyone. The Corp. for Public Broadcasting started out as an educational endeavor, to provide educational programming without commercial interruptions. It was seen as public service programming, which is why the govt. funded it. Correct ?

My very first exposure to PBS was my first time employment as a part time nanny for pre schoolers who loved the Muppets on Sesame St., shown on Ch. 28 KCET L.A. My family only received TV channels through a roof antenna. We did not get UHF reception. But the family for whom I worked could afford cable. That was a long, long time ago ! Sesame St. was funded to help teach literacy skills to little kids who might be disadvantaged or whose family could not afford pre school.
But it was an effective and fun teaching device for all backgrounds.

The govt can fund educational programming, can it not ? Why did that become so controversial? ..... Daryl
 
To add. There is no other place on the internet where one can read a discussion of broadcasting professionals, executives, journalists, on air talent, etc. engage in an intellectual exchange like this. Is is so valuable what you all are doing ! I am so hopeful that it can continue. Thank you to all. ....... Daryl
 
This is a really fascinating discussion........one of the most interesting ever, for me as a listener. But I have a question for anyone. The Corp. for Public Broadcasting started out as an educational endeavor, to provide educational programming without commercial interruptions. It was seen as public service programming, which is why the govt. funded it. Correct ?

My very first exposure to PBS was my first time employment as a part time nanny for pre schoolers who loved the Muppets on Sesame St., shown on Ch. 28 KCET L.A. My family only received TV channels through a roof antenna. We did not get UHF reception. But the family for whom I worked could afford cable. That was a long, long time ago ! Sesame St. was funded to help teach literacy skills to little kids who might be disadvantaged or whose family could not afford pre school.
But it was an effective and fun teaching device for all backgrounds.

The govt can fund educational programming, can it not ? Why did that become so controversial? ..... Daryl

If you get a chance, may I suggest reading "Questlove" Thompson's history of Sesame Street and Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, "Sunny Days: The Children's Television Revolution." The book, a history of children's educational television programming, both commercial and non-commercial, notes near its end that one of the biggest groups that opposed educational children's television was religious fundamentalists, such as Jerry Fallwell and others, who believed that these programs were teaching children concepts that were at odds with their religious perspectives. From what I can tell, that is where the bulk of the opposition to public radio and public television grew out of.
 
What we need here is a restructure where a broadcast entity is not getting money from the "fund" but rather only media associated entities that create content. Programming created and then 'shopped'. The point is to take out the sticking point here: government dollars supporting radio stations and TV stations of any kind.

NPR Programming is healthy enough to survive without any government funding and the 'sales tax' size of the budget most stations get from this fund is not so much that the golden goose is ready for the casket. PBS, that might be a different story.

When we reach the places of few people and less infrastructure, you certainly have stations that would never exist to serve their communities without government help. They truly need these dollars. In other words, the places where you are the only local source of information available to all in the area, then fund those stations. They really need the help.

Will 'educational' programming be destroyed by a lack of funding? Where there is a will there is a way. In commercial radio we had bosses who said 'sell it" and it hits the airwaves. In other words we took the product and shopped it around until we had the funding.
 
What we need here is a restructure

All of that is fine. The way that gets done is congress amends the public broadcasting act. It was done in 1983. It can be done again. But that's not what's being done here. What the president wants to do is insert himself into something he has no business in because he doesn't like NPR News. The people who could do a "restructure" aren't in the mix. That's where the problem is here. Until there's a change in the legislation, there will be this situation. The fact of the matter is defunding will affect ALL of broadcasting, not just the public side, because there are a lot of things that are currently available only because of the public funding. That means non-news programming such as classical, jazz, AAA music and other fringe formats that don't have demographics that advertisers want. But sure, a restructure would be a way to do it, and the president needs to get out of the way for it to happen.
 
It's just a strong feeling that the government should not be involved in any media. For about 200 years when print was king, the government did not run newspapers of subsidize their content creation.

Because newspapers don't use the public airwaves that are owned and regulated by the government. If you want government out of media, defund the FCC. Have the airwaves overseen by an industry group. A broadcasting version of SoundExchange. Problem solved. Get rid of Brendan Carr and his content police who are investigating everyone they don't like. It's the wrong place for the government in a free society. There's nothing in the constitution that requires an FCC. But you're right. The government shouldn't be telling media companies how to run their businesses.
 
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