“Varied Ideological Perspectives”: a new goal promised for CBS under Skydance

[vchimpanzee]

I've got the CBS News app on my phone...and for the time being, it is going to stay there. CBS News still has some good people doing good journalism

Steve Hartman.

 

[davideduardo]

I gave you the causes, symptoms and treatment from the Cleveland Clinic and you go to Artificial Intelligence?

Because the AI synopsis showed exactly what the Mayo Clinic, Cleveland and several others said, but in clearer lay terminology.. The Google AI has an advantage of giving a very good one-paragraph summary, followed by key details... while others pend several pages making their point.

I have once again picked the wrong day to not use the Lord's name in vain before 7:00 a.m.

Oh, well---at least it agrees with CC that "chronic venous insufficiency affects about 1 in 20 adults.

That's five percent. If that's "fairly common", then we had different math teachers.

Let's see... In LA (metro) there are just over 5% Blacks. I'd say they are a fairly common part of our community.

Also, David, my point was:

And how do I know that? Because I have a mild precursor to that condition in the capillaries of my legs.

A couple of years ago, I was on a 90-day schedule with my dermatologist following a melanoma excision. She spotted it, and we've had great success controlling it with additional vitamin C, Rutin and the use of compression socks.

Venous is well beyond the capillaries---it's the veins.

To get to the stage that the White House says Trump is, there is no way it would not have been noticed in a complete physical in April.

I have apparently had it for at least 15 years, but it was only discovered this week.

I'm not saying it's debilitating. It doesn't have to be. But it also can't be what it is in July and have escaped the notice of a physician in a full physical in April.

My specialist and GP, this week, told me that they only discovered that I had very minor evidence of it. I appear to have had it for over a decade, and it was only discovered because my "implant" that electrically masks nerve sensitivity was not working as well as it should. That is 4 years after having the implant done!

 

[michael hagerty]

Let's see... In LA (metro) there are just over 5% Blacks. I'd say they are a fairly common part of our community.

Let me know when people begin to refer to them as "common parts of our community" rather than "minorities". Especially folks on the right.

 

[davideduardo]

Let me know when people begin to refer to them as "common parts of our community" rather than "minorities".

You are using a predominantly "white" way of looking at ethnicities.

Non Hispanic whites are minorities in a number of markets, like Miami and LA for starters... going on down to Palm Springs and a bunch of markets outside the top 100. However, I'd say that such folks are still fairly common.

In directly addressing people, I try to avoid those broad terms like "Hispanic" as they tend to be racial rather than cultural and cause those that don't understand to call Hispanics "brown".

Yesterday, we were in a doctor's waiting room. A woman next to us started chatting, and we discovered that we both liked dogs and had several. But at one point, she said "the Spanish don't treat them like we do". My wife and I cringed for so many reasons. Fortunately,, at that moment I was called to see the doctor and we escaped... but that is one example of why I am not fond of those white-people's terms for the rest of the world.

 

[michael hagerty]

You are using a predominantly "white" way of looking at ethnicities.

Non Hispanic whites are minorities in a number of markets, like Miami and LA for starters... going on down to Palm Springs and a bunch of markets outside the top 100. However, I'd say that such folks are still fairly common.

In directly addressing people, I try to avoid those broad terms like "Hispanic" as they tend to be racial rather than cultural and cause those that don't understand to call Hispanics "brown".

Yesterday, we were in a doctor's waiting room. A woman next to us started chatting, and we discovered that we both liked dogs and had several. But at one point, she said "the Spanish don't treat them like we do". My wife and I cringed for so many reasons. Fortunately,, at that moment I was called to see the doctor and we escaped... but that is one example of why I am not fond of those white-people's terms for the rest of the world.

C'mon, David. I know that L.A. is 28.3% Non-Hispanic White.

It's also:

24.5% Hispanic
11.8% Asian
11.2% Biracial including Hispanic
9.0% White (Hispanic)

and...not 5%, but:

8.2% Black

My point, lest that gets lost, is that 5% of Americans have Chronic Venous Insufficiency. You called 5% "common". If I have a bowl with 100 M&Ms, and five of them are green, they're not common and Tucker Carlson is still disappointed that they're not wearing thigh-high boots.

(EDIT: Apparently she got her thigh-highs back, but Tucker's still pissed because "Now she's a lesbian, maybe?")

Tucker Carlson Is, Once Again, Mad About ‘Woke M&Ms’

Once again, right-wing culture warriors are angry about cartoon M&Ms.

www.forbes.com

NOTE: The above are official U.S. Census figures compiled before masked men began abducting people off the streets of Los Angeles.

 

[Mediafrog+]

You are using a predominantly "white" way of looking at ethnicities.

I think we had a previous conversation about capitalization.

In directly addressing people, I try to avoid those broad terms like "Hispanic" as they tend to be racial rather than cultural and cause those that don't understand to call Hispanics "brown".

Yet Whites are painted with the same vanilla brush regardless of cultural or national differences.

Yesterday, we were in a doctor's waiting room. A woman next to us started chatting, and we discovered that we both liked dogs and had several. But at one point, she said "the Spanish don't treat them like we do". My wife and I cringed for so many reasons.

I’m surprised you didn’t ask that person about why they thought people in Spain mistreated their dogs.

Fortunately,, at that moment I was called to see the doctor and we escaped... but that is one example of why I am not fond of those white-people's terms for the rest of the world.

And you just violated your own argument by lumping people together using a color description.

 

[davideduardo]

C'mon, David. I know that L.A. is 28.3% Non-Hispanic White.

I think you are using City of LA numbers, but in a radio group we should stick with the LA MSA, not individual towns.

As a sidebar, I was following the tragedy (overused term) in Traverse City today as I summered at WCCW there for a couple of years and lived outside the city itself. All the news media called it a "small town of 16,000". You can bet that Walmart did not open one of its larger size stores for that. In fact the retail areas of Grand Traverse, Leelenau and Antrim have over 130,000 persons, all dependent on Traverse City. I have always wondered why news writers in general look at towns and not areas.

It's also:

24.5% Hispanic
11.8% Asian
11.2% Biracial including Hispanic
9.0% White (Hispanic)

and...not 5%, but:

8.2% Black

The MSA is 44.2% Hispanic, of any race. The problem here is that Hispanic is not a race, and lots of tables confuse those. There are white, Black, Indigenous and Asian Hispanics as well as all manner of blends and textures. Last year's census in Ecuador showed 1% white, and over 90% a term they use for "mestizo" meaning "some of everything" and the rest Black or even Asian. They are all "Hispanic" by United States criteria using a term created by a bunch of Northeastern college-degreed white guys back in the 1970's.

The MSA is not 8.2 Black. It is under 7%. And that includes a percentage of Hispanics who are Black

My point, lest that gets lost, is that 5% of Americans have Chronic Venous Insufficiency. You called 5% "common". If I have a bowl with 100 M&Ms, and five of them are green, they're not common and Tucker Carlson is still disappointed that they're not wearing thigh-high boots.

If every time I pour out a bag, there are some green ones, that to me is common. Uncommon would be when only one out of every ten or twenty bags even had a single green one. I think we differ in the area of "common".

For example, in doing thousands of music tests, we always thought it was "common" to find one or two outliers in each sample of 80 to 100 participants. We would exclude them from the tabulation, as their results were irrelevant. But we knew we'd always find one or two. But if we got over 3, during the break we'd sit with the recruiter and check whether something had gone wrong; a few times we had to retake a test... at a cost of about $30 k.

NOTE: The above are official U.S. Census figures compiled before masked men began abducting people off the streets of Los Angeles.

But they are not for the radio market, quite obviously.

Where the biggest flaw can be seen is in "11.2% Biracial including Hispanic". Hispanic is not a race, so "including Hispanic" is nonsensical and invalidating.

 

[michael hagerty]

I think you are using City of LA numbers, but in a radio group we should stick with the LA MSA, not individual towns.

As a sidebar, I was following the tragedy (overused term) in Traverse City today as I summered at WCCW there for a couple of years and lived outside the city itself. All the news media called it a "small town of 16,000". You can bet that Walmart did not open one of its larger size stores for that. In fact the retail areas of Grand Traverse, Leelenau and Antrim have over 130,000 persons, all dependent on Traverse City. I have always wondered why news writers in general look at towns and not areas.

The MSA is 44.2% Hispanic, of any race. The problem here is that Hispanic is not a race, and lots of tables confuse those. There are white, Black, Indigenous and Asian Hispanics as well as all manner of blends and textures. Last year's census in Ecuador showed 1% white, and over 90% a term they use for "mestizo" meaning "some of everything" and the rest Black or even Asian. They are all "Hispanic" by United States criteria using a term created by a bunch of Northeastern college-degreed white guys back in the 1970's.

The MSA is not 8.2 Black. It is under 7%. And that includes a percentage of Hispanics who are Black

If every time I pour out a bag, there are some green ones, that to me is common. Uncommon would be when only one out of every ten or twenty bags even had a single green one. I think we differ in the area of "common".

For example, in doing thousands of music tests, we always thought it was "common" to find one or two outliers in each sample of 80 to 100 participants. We would exclude them from the tabulation, as their results were irrelevant. But we knew we'd always find one or two. But if we got over 3, during the break we'd sit with the recruiter and check whether something had gone wrong; a few times we had to retake a test... at a cost of about $30 k.

But they are not for the radio market, quite obviously.

Where the biggest flaw can be seen is in "11.2% Biracial including Hispanic". Hispanic is not a race, so "including Hispanic" is nonsensical and invalidating.

David, the question was whether 5% is “common”.

 

[davideduardo]

I think we had a previous conversation about capitalization.

I think I will pretend to be German and capitalize Everything of any Substance.

Yet Whites are painted with the same vanilla brush regardless of cultural or national differences.

Agreed, but the militant "whites" seem to believe they are all of a similar tribe.

I’m surprised you didn’t ask that person about why they thought people in Spain mistreated their dogs.

I am way to tired of correcting people who think a language is a nationality or race.

And you just violated your own argument by lumping people together using a color description.

The whole "Hispanic" thingamabob comes out of a bunch of white guys in the Northeast who had their undies in a tangle in the 70's. A Census was approaching, and it required classification of the population by race to allocate benefits. If they could easily categorize Blacks and Asians, what would they do with those people whose only commonality was... er... whose only commonality as coming from some but not all of the countries in Latin America, the American Southwest, an American territory and Spain! And they had no common race.

So those white guys looked around, and found a term that was not used much, "Hispanic", meaning "from Hispania, the Roman territory of the Iberian Peninsula, Forget the fact that the peninsula also covered Portugal. So the decided that "Hispanic" would cover all "those" people, even if they were all different races and mixes of race and even though many spoke Nahuatl and Quechua and Aymara, Argentine and the like.

They did, finally, get that "Hispanic" was a separate "Y/N" question from "Race". But they ignored, in the "race" question that "raza" in Spanish is more like "breed" among animals. In fact, Beagles are a "raza" of dogs, and "Viva la Raza" means "Long live the brotherhood" and does not have to be racial at all.

If you want to try translation, here is Lucecita Benítez "Soy de una Raza Pura" song about how Puerto Ricans from hundreds of years of history are a "pure race":

Soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
Soy de una raza que ha tenido clavos en las manos
Y llagas en las rodillas,
Soy de sangre rebelde hasta la frente.
Soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
Que baja como los ríos,
De montañas en nevadas
Huyendo al látigo y robando otro día a la muerte
Soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
Soy de un ritmo negro que a las cadenas hace sonido.
Y a la sangre pólvora,
y a la rabia silencio y a la noche víspera.
Soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
Soy tambor y cuerda, soy bronce de campana.
Para llorar la muerte,

pero como soy de bronce también se gritar, a guerra.
Soy borincano, negro y gitano.
Soy taíno y soy lágrimas y también dolor.
Por los siglos que he vivido, por lo mucho que he sufrido,
soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
soy de una raza pura, pura rebelde.
soy de una raza pura ¡rebelde!

 

[davideduardo]

David, the question was whether 5% is “common”.

As I said with my comparison of M&Ms, yeah, it is high enough a percentage to be common.

But your source, by virtue of it saying "biracial including Hispanic" invalidates the data you presented as "Hispanic" is not a race.

 

[michael hagerty]

As I said with my comparison of M&Ms, yeah, it is high enough a percentage to be common.

But your source, by virtue of it saying "biracial including Hispanic" invalidates the data you presented as "Hispanic" is not a race.

I made the M&M comparison. We got to race by you citing the “5% Black population of L.A.”.

 

[davideduardo]

I made the M&M comparison. We got to race by you citing the “5% Black population of L.A.”.

And that is, approximately, what it is. Projections show it decreasing even further over the next decade. The issues I have seen in economic newsletters about the Southland is that the Black community is further marginalized by illegal Hispanic immigrants who work for less and pressure housing prices and reduce attention to Black issues in the school systems where Blacks live. For that reason, moving even to Phoenix but particularly to Texas, Atlanta and the like are seen as positives.

In radio, take a look at the shares of KDAY, KRRL and KJLH which are, in aggregate, at their lowest levels in the last year because they depend more heavily on Black listeners. Pio Ferro's focus of KPWR on Hispanics has, on the other hand, raised that station to its best recent levels.

 

[Bongwater]

Eliminating the Fairness Doctrine allowed the rise of conservative talk radio starting in the late 80s and 90s. Prior to that, talk radio as a format had largely been limited to a handful of major market stations and generally did not have a strong ideological bias.

But the Fairness Doctrine or its absence is utterly irrelevant to Fox News and OANN -- the Fairness Doctrine never applied to cable networks and it is unlikely that the scarcity argument used to justify the Fairness Doctrine could have been applied to cable networks even if the FCC had wanted to expand it to cover cable. That means that even if the Fairness Doctrine had stayed in force it would have had no impact of Fox News, OANN, or for that matter, MSNBC.

Politically, I definitely lean left but the nostalgia that so many progressives have for the Fairness Doctrine is mostly misplaced.

What people forget was The Fairness Doctrine only covered AM/FM/TV terrestrial broadcasting. Over the airwaves. It had no requirements of Cable/Satellite TV or Internet streaming. They were unheard of in 1949.

People were were still listening to AM in 1987. And the biggest benefactor of the Fairness Doctrine's elimination was AM radio.

The basic thing with FD (and there's a lot) was regarding editorials/commentary to political/controversial topics, you had to give the opposition a chance to respond. It said nothing about equal time. It didn't say there had to be a victor or both sides win. It just meant you had to offer the opportunity for opposing voices.

There was also nothing stating that an astroturfing front group for the status quo can't be the selected "opposition". It only required one to follow the letter, not the spirit of the rule. This was common during the 1980s, particularly on (even back then) increasingly politicized religious talk stations.

But no matter what, we were going to live to see another day if the oppositon got their way. That changed somehow not long after The Fairness Doctrine was removed. It became open season on anyone to the left of Atilla The Hun. Suddenly, people were rage farming.

And it wasn't some long pent-up anger against them by a majority of voters.

Rush Limbaugh liked to sell a version of an America that never existed. Where everybody just simply knew their place in the pecking order and were happy with it.
Conveniently forgetting however that the social changes (Civil rights, Women's Lib and LGBTQ rights) that happened during the 1960s and 1970s he was so vitriolic about were not because of cheerful, contented people.

Agreed. But I think Ellison looks at CBS as the horse carriage in a space travel era.

Then he's buying it to dismantle it for scrap. Why else would a billionaire executive in 2025 buy a dying TV network if his ultimate goal wasn't to gut it out and eventually sell the remains as station and real estate deals. Radio has been doing that for decades. He can too.

With the general trajectory of things lately, that's not off the table. Hell, nothing would be more euphoric to Dear Leader than to smugly announce. "I have destroyed CPB, NPR and CBS. If you don't give me what I want, you're next!"

And whether the Constitution says it or not, this is clearly and visibly a direct attack on the free press by the president. Not physically using government forces directly, But using manipulation by proxy (Ellison/Skydance.)

Many other countries know what that is. We do too. Except they have enforced laws against it. We're too scared to do that. This is why this is happening.

None of this would have ever happened without him. CBS wouldn't have to kneel and acquiesce their editorial independence to get the Skydance merger if Harris won. She doesn't operate like that. He does.

So much for keeping "big gubbermint" out of the free market....

Besides (and this was always my deep question with Limbaugh and his amplitude modulating ilk since the 1990s), How is any of this talk about "freedom" or "liberty" anything close to serious if you have reservations about who of us in the general public gets it?

Either it applies to everybody or it applies to nobody.

This is where we are now. This is where we really are....

 

[inari]

Agreed. But I think Ellison looks at CBS as the horse carriage in a space travel era.

Then he's buying it to dismantle it for scrap. Why else would a billionaire executive in 2025 buy a dying TV network if his ultimate goal wasn't to gut it out and eventually sell the remains as station and real estate deals. Radio has been doing that for decades. He can too.

It's almost certain Ellison is interested in the intellectual property (brands, copyright) and streaming potential rather than the broadcast TV network with local stations, cable channels, international channels, movies theaters and other assets included.

He probably looks at Netflix's valuation at $500 billion and thinks he could grow or redevelop Paramount+ into worthy rival to Netflix. One article I saw earlier said Paramount+ should be profitable by the end of 2025 so it might not actually be too impossible.

Skydance/Paramount can sell off the CBS network and local stations for $1.5 to $2 billion and then make a content licensing agreement to supply the network a stable of shows while using that airtime to drive more viewers to their streaming service.

 

[vchimpanzee]

But they ignored, in the "race" question that "raza" in Spanish is more like "breed" among animals. In fact, Beagles are a "raza" of dogs, and "Viva la Raza" means "Long live the brotherhood" and does not have to be racial at all.

I don't know what this actually means but La Raza is a Spanish language radio station in Charlotte. It may be part of network of stations using that name.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't know what this actually means but La Raza is a Spanish language radio station in Charlotte. It may be part of network of stations using that name.

Some are co-owned, but the name is not nationally registered to any operator.

Literally, it means "the brotherhood" or "the clan".

 

[michael hagerty]

Depends on who you ask:

"Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect."

Defining La Raza

www.theatlantic.com

 

[davideduardo]

Depends on who you ask:

Having actually programmed "La Raza" stations, I have seen and heard dozens of words, colloquialisms and. of course, misinterpretations of the word. In the strictest sense of what it means as a station name, I think "brotherhood" is the closest. It's "the station for people like me".

And that is "brotherhood" in the broadest sense. Spanish is a gender specific language, but women can be "raza" too.

"The People" is too broad. Not everyone in Guadalajara considers themselves to be "raza" with everyone else. But if you go to a neighborhood bar you frequent and say hello "raza" it's understood you are greeting friends and "brothers". (I got this example from my wife, who is from there. She just called several friends to ask about it, too=.

They also pointed out that it is pretty much a term that working class men use. Women don't generally use it too much for other women except in "el campo", so that means "the people" and "the community" are way too broad and, thus, wrong.

It's blue collar, rural, working class and used more by men but not exclusively.

Although women might engage in "Viva la raza" cries on September 16, the term is less likely to be used by women. In that case, all Mexicans are "raza" in the common brotherhood of nationality.

The Atlantic is about the last place I would go for explanations of Mexican colloquialisms.

 

[michael hagerty]

Having actually programmed "La Raza" stations, I have seen and heard dozens of words, colloquialisms and. of course, misinterpretations of the word. In the strictest sense of what it means as a station name, I think "brotherhood" is the closest. It's "the station for people like me".

And that is "brotherhood" in the broadest sense. Spanish is a gender specific language, but women can be "raza" too.

"The People" is too broad. Not everyone in Guadalajara considers themselves to be "raza" with everyone else. But if you go to a neighborhood bar you frequent and say hello "raza" it's understood you are greeting friends and "brothers". (I got this example from my wife, who is from there. She just called several friends to ask about it, too=.

They also pointed out that it is pretty much a term that working class men use. Women don't generally use it too much for other women except in "el campo", so that means "the people" and "the community" are way too broad and, thus, wrong.

It's blue collar, rural, working class and used more by men but not exclusively.

Although women might engage in "Viva la raza" cries on September 16, the term is less likely to be used by women. In that case, all Mexicans are "raza" in the common brotherhood of nationality.

The Atlantic is about the last place I would go for explanations of Mexican colloquialisms.

As noted at the top, the description comes from La Raza’s website. That notation was the only thing written by the Atlantic.

None of the definitions include your example of “the clan” and I’m just gonna pray to God that it wasn’t in yours because of this:

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2009/05/tancredo-la-raza-is-latino-kkk-018732

 

[davideduardo]

As noted at the top, the description comes from La Raza’s website. That notation was the only thing written by the Atlantic.

There are so many "La Raza" stations I can't be certain which you pulled that quote from. It does not link for me. In any case, I checked with a person who programmed a Spanish language radio network in the US, was a radio air talent for 30 years, did multiple movies in "cine mexicano" and even anchored Univision's morning news in LA. I trust she knows what the term means.

None of the definitions include your example of “the clan” and I’m just gonna pray to God that it wasn’t in yours because of this:

"Clan" in Spanish is the same as brotherhood. While "Clan" with a "K" has a special meaning in the USA, it does not have any meaning among Mexican immigrants who might listen to a harder core "grupera" formatted station.

"In Spanish, the term "clan" directly translates to "el clan" . While the concept of clans, particularly in the sense of Scottish clans with specific tartans and historical lineage, isn't a direct equivalent in Spanish culture, the term is used in a more general sense to refer to close-knit groups or extended families"
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