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KFOX To HD

TheBigA said:
I agree. They also seem pretty committed to the Jams format. They have a similar station, WXBK, in NYC.
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They shouldn't be committed to any format that bills < $2 million a year on a major signal in a top 10 market. 102.1's revenue numbers, if the estimates are accurate, are atrocious.

That's not meant as a criticism of what you wrote, as I suspect you may very well be correct! Rather, it is a criticism of Audacy.
 
TheBigA said:
Keep in mind that KCBS is only billing $16 million. So $2 million for Jams would be double that in any similar sized market.
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Valid point, although I'll note $4 million would still be an underwhelming number for a major FM signal in a top 5 market. I believe 102.1's estimated per annum billing is closer to $1.5 million, but I rounded up in my earlier post. :)
 
MarkW said:
Valid point, although I'll note $4 million would still be an underwhelming number for a major FM signal in a top 5 market. I believe 102.1's estimated per annum billing is closer to $1.5 million, but I rounded up in my earlier post. :)
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It would be an ironic flip for Jams to go country, given that Audacy flipped a country station to classic hip hop in NYC.
 
TheBigA said:
Correct. It's more of self syndication using Compass. Warshaw appears to be very close with the Compass people.

He is leveraging his stations and his size to his advantage. Who can blame him?

All I meant to say is for the first time they're entering that business. The comparison with Townsquare is a good one.
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There's no closeness with Connoisseur moreso than many other companies that Compass does business with. Connoisseur has content they want to distribute and scale to get a show off the ground. It's not self-syndication using Compass.
 
Re: Lance's post...

I agree regarding the KYSR morning show, but look at the playlist. Most (not all) titles are suitable for a Modern AC.

KROQ is more rock friendly than KYSR. Seems to me KYSR aims for more of a 50/50 gender mix.

I'm not impressed by how some of iHM's rock and alternative stations have sounded under Worden's "leadership," especially in her first few years, but I'll save further discussion on that topic for another time.
 
MarkW said:
They shouldn't be committed to any format that bills < $2 million a year on a major signal in a top 10 market. 102.1's revenue numbers, if the estimates are accurate, are atrocious.
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Keep in mind that Audacy nuked the station 102.1 Jams and WXBK were based off of to simulcast a sports AM in Chicago. If Audacy is truly committed to 102.1's current format, it's because it doesn't think it could do any better with anything else.

TheBigA said:
It would be an ironic flip for Jams to go country, given that Audacy flipped a country station to classic hip hop in NYC.
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That was a different Audacy. I'm not saying a flip, let alone a flip to country, at 102.1 is a given, but the current leadership has no connection or commitment to what previous leadership did. From what I've been told from the few people I know who work at Audacy, the new leadership made clear almost immediately that it's not the Fields' company anymore. It may be better than most of its peers in the industry, but the corporate culture there would seem to have changed a lot.

TheBigA said:
Connoisseur created these shows, not Compass. Sure they're hoping to get some scale out of it, in the way Audacy did when it used United Stations. But the reality is that no other major station owner will carry a show hosted by Connoisseur's local talent.
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I can't speak for its other shows, but Connoisseur's Anna and Raven seems to be getting affiliates from outside the company. I suppose you can make the case that those stations aren't owned by the major owners, but that program would seem to be pretty successful at expanding its footprint.

RoseCatkw_21 said:
K-Fox, when they moved to hd they should be also having fm translator as well
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If Connoisseur can find a translator that doesn't exceed the primary signal contour of either KUFX 98.5 or KOIT 96.5, it could air KFOX programming. Given the coverage of both stations, the technical limitations should be pretty easy to cover. The problem is finding an existing translator that would either sell or take the programming. Far as I know, none of those exist, and translators from outside the market can only be moved so far. Plus, the market has no, or next to no, open channels. I would say the odds of KFOX showing up on a translator are slim-to-none.
 
Kent said:
I suppose you can make the case that those stations aren't owned by the major owners, but that program would seem to be pretty successful at expanding its footprint.
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That's what I mean. We're at a point where every major owner has the ability to originate its own syndication. No need for iHeart or Cumulus to carry Anna & Raven. They have a similar show under contract in house. It dilutes the ability of those shows to have the kind of national impact they will need to create an impression with the public and advertisers.
 
Moxxie is Awesome said:
I've started a petition to move KFOX to KLVS 107.3
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TheBigA said:
Good f-ing luck!!! There is no chance that Christian K-Love will give up its station for the devil's rock.

No petition in the world will get them to change. You should be able to stream the HD-2.

Here's a tip: Petitions mean nothing. Especially in the radio business.
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leethalweapon said:
Won't happen. K-Love has other (Christian) formats and will most likely put something else there.
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Even if what the OP is petitioning for was a possibility, transferring KLVS to Connoisseur would have been part of the original deal. Not only does K-Love not program mainstream formats, their stations are all non-commercial.

I would suggest that the OP educate himself a little more before starting his next petition that goes nowhere, because he is showing a complete lack of understanding about the business. No one likes to look clueless.

In the meantime, my advice is to kill the petition before you get too many other listeners who don't know any better getting their hopes up for nothing.
 
The last time 102.1 was successful was when it was KDFC.

That was fifteen years ago. Entercom made that move. Entercom had a history of flipping classical stations (see Kansas City, where that move worked out somewhat better). Bonneville, which had KDFC before, was smart enough to leave it alone. Entercom/Audacy never seemed to have a clear vision for it.
 
Mark Roberts said:
That was fifteen years ago. Entercom made that move. Entercom had a history of flipping classical stations (see Kansas City, where that move worked out somewhat better). Bonneville, which had KDFC before, was smart enough to leave it alone. Entercom/Audacy never seemed to have a clear vision for it.
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When Entercom was in its infancy, it expanded by acquiring unwanted FM stations when AM was still king. Some of its early stations ran classical, beautiful music, and Spanish-language programming because that was about all you could do with FM at the time. I don't think Entercom's issue was not knowing what to do with classical. It had done it long enough to know that its legs had gone about as far as they could go with it as a commercial format.

If you want to say Entercom didn't have a clear vision for 102.1 in general, I would agree with that.
 
Kent said:
When Entercom was in its infancy, it expanded by acquiring unwanted FM stations when AM was still king. Some of its early stations ran classical, beautiful music, and Spanish-language programming because that was about all you could do with FM at the time.
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I was in Houston when Entercom flipped KLEF (94.5) from classical in 1986. The new format: automated oldies. The River Oaks set flipped their wigs.

At least it got the Houston Chronicle to rediscover radio and actually write some articles about. The Post was much better about this sort of thing.

Entercom's best success, I think, was KITS, which started out as a Spanish-language station under different call letters. As a CHR station, it reportedly was no great shakes but when it went alternative, it blossomed. The current iteration of Live 105 reflects some of that, probably as much as is possible under present-day economic conditions for radio. Audacy's really boneheaded move with KITS comprised the years of "Dave".


Kent said:
I don't think Entercom's issue was not knowing what to do with classical. It had done it long enough to know that its legs had gone about as far as they could go with it as a commercial format.
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Ingram made noises several times in the early 1990s about changing the format on KXTR. At one point there was talk of moving the format to AM, on KBEA. But I think if he had done that, there would have been adverse effects on his publications (Ingram's, The Independent), which were dependent upon the support of Kansas City's upper classes (Mrs. Bridge lived on!) and which seemed to be what he really cared about. Entercom actually made the change, stuffed KXTR into the AM expanded band, and changed 96.5 to an alternative format which did well for quite a few years.
Kent said:
If you want to say Entercom didn't have a clear vision for 102.1 in general, I would agree with that.
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Another year, another format on 102.1. It felt more like, "let's dump this loser format on USC" even though it wasn't a loser format in the Bay Area. Entercom had preconceived notions rooted in standard program-director dogma, and the result was not pretty. And that was 15 years ago when financial pressures weren't what they are now.
 
Hole in your radio said:
Granted, it was the '80s but when KSAN dropped its vaunted rock format for country, the conventional wisdom was that the station would fail in one book. It took country 16 years and a sale to another licensee to "fail."
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Of course...and Bob, you'd be more aware of that than I would be...the Bay Area was a very different place 45 years ago.

More recent flips to country that were audible outside the South Bay, including two at 95.7, didn't work out, to say the least.
 


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