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Journeyman said:
Citadel already told Lewis Dickey no twice. Do you think Citadel will give into pressure?
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“I think everyone is just going to be stunned by what comes next at WSIX.”
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Citadel already told Lewis Dickey no twice. Do you think Citadel will give into pressure?
bigrobmjca said:
They're already feeling the pressure from some of the larger stockholders. If Citadel management continues to rebuff the offer, expect the Dickeys to work toward a hostile takeover. It very rarely happens in the media business, but Lew & Company seem determined to get their hands on these assets.
Back to the topic at hand, however... Is it possible that the "stunned by what's next at WSIX" was simply referring to the Christmas stunt?
bigrobmjca said:
Citadel isn't interested at all. However, Citadel's investors may be if the price were ever high enough. But not sure anyone would be willing ot raise it high enough in today's market... and they'd be crazy to do so.
Oh, and the one investor group that is speaking up... they're not among the larger stockholders.
Cumulus surprises me a lot. There seem to be several groups within Cumulus. Example, Dallas is their 1st or 2nd largest market in terms of billing every year. It was part of the old Susquahanna
acquistion. And believe me, Dallas and San Francisco pull in so much money Lew treats those stations and that Susquahanna division very differently in terms of operation freedom than smaller markets. As tricky as their money is Lew still seems to get cash, and I could envision him getting Citadel but operating as a seperate division within the company. Their operation has always been a mystery. Within the Atlanta based empire is a Dickey Media group which has Jezabel magazine and other publications. The Dickey brothers own some stations as private investments not looped into the corporation but seemingly benefit from some Cumulus resources. Their bookkeeping must be very creative, but as a public corporation still must be exact...but they wiggle and fiddle and find more ways to make the impossible happen than you can imagine.
The running joke in Atlanta has always been Jezabel magazine is how the Dickey Brothers meet beautiful women. Who knows? I used the ole Buddy Sadler Chris Romer tactic of letting my charm and good looks work to my benefit.
But Citadel is a mess. My question isn't "can Lew buy them," but rather, "who'd want em"
acquistion. And believe me, Dallas and San Francisco pull in so much money Lew treats those stations and that Susquahanna division very differently in terms of operation freedom than smaller markets. As tricky as their money is Lew still seems to get cash, and I could envision him getting Citadel but operating as a seperate division within the company. Their operation has always been a mystery. Within the Atlanta based empire is a Dickey Media group which has Jezabel magazine and other publications. The Dickey brothers own some stations as private investments not looped into the corporation but seemingly benefit from some Cumulus resources. Their bookkeeping must be very creative, but as a public corporation still must be exact...but they wiggle and fiddle and find more ways to make the impossible happen than you can imagine.
The running joke in Atlanta has always been Jezabel magazine is how the Dickey Brothers meet beautiful women. Who knows? I used the ole Buddy Sadler Chris Romer tactic of letting my charm and good looks work to my benefit.
But Citadel is a mess. My question isn't "can Lew buy them," but rather, "who'd want em"
Aren't we supposed to be talking about this this morning? Sounds good so far. I've noticed the traffic guy saying WSIX-FM much more than the "new" Big 98 Country. A lot of teasing going on to keep you listening until after a song goes off. "More about that in 6" or "...after this from...". Sounding good and Billy and Karla make a good match.
Here's a what if: What if 98 had promoted the new show and had this week commercial free from 6-10?
Here's a what if: What if 98 had promoted the new show and had this week commercial free from 6-10?
I thought Billy and Karla did a good job. It's quite a bit different than the House Foundation, as expected. There is a lot more music and very little talk. I don't recall hearing any news or weather at all and I miss at least a little of each. I don't think we got 3 minutes an hour of it with House but there was just enough news and weather that I felt I at least knew what was happening. I also miss the contests because the interaction with the callers is pretty much gone.
I'm not sure if some people will stay or leap to KDF or WSM-AM or FM. The House Foundation was really a talk show with music so the people who really love the conversational aspect are going to be disappointed but I really can't figure out where they would go. I think WSM-AM is the closest to the same style but I think the older music will keep some people away. I'm sticking with Billy and Karla because they will keep evolving the show as it moves forward.
I am glad that Dean is back. He's one of my favorites in Nashville radio.
I'm not sure if some people will stay or leap to KDF or WSM-AM or FM. The House Foundation was really a talk show with music so the people who really love the conversational aspect are going to be disappointed but I really can't figure out where they would go. I think WSM-AM is the closest to the same style but I think the older music will keep some people away. I'm sticking with Billy and Karla because they will keep evolving the show as it moves forward.
I am glad that Dean is back. He's one of my favorites in Nashville radio.
it was interesting, and low tune out factor.
the fact that they played so much music could give them an advantage. i believe that if a morning show plays 8 or more songs per hour, they should be unbeatable.
i actually like Billy & Karla together. they have great chemistry and will definitely expand things in the future. right now it still felt like middays in the morning. surely that isn't the plan. then again, that would be stunning. so, who knows. quite positive that clear channel spent a bunch of cash on market research and that this is what people want, and, if that's the case, what is the future of comedy, bit, and event-based shows that do the call in contesting and topics as well as news and sports? do you think that with pandora's appeal growing, and this early sign that radio wants to emulate that style, do you think that talent will jump to internet radio or satellite?
the fact that they played so much music could give them an advantage. i believe that if a morning show plays 8 or more songs per hour, they should be unbeatable.
i actually like Billy & Karla together. they have great chemistry and will definitely expand things in the future. right now it still felt like middays in the morning. surely that isn't the plan. then again, that would be stunning. so, who knows. quite positive that clear channel spent a bunch of cash on market research and that this is what people want, and, if that's the case, what is the future of comedy, bit, and event-based shows that do the call in contesting and topics as well as news and sports? do you think that with pandora's appeal growing, and this early sign that radio wants to emulate that style, do you think that talent will jump to internet radio or satellite?
tubessoundbetter said:
Why are you "quite positive that clear channel spent a bunch of cash on market research"? That is rarely the case these days. And so often, the research is rarely done right, and rarely shows "what people want".
As for the appeal of pandora, internet, or satellite... there will always be a place for well-done LOCAL radio.
do you really believe that they are going to let decades of investment in a morning show go away without spending a dime to decide what is the best replacement? i really believe from their choice, that is why they went the whole "more music/middays in the morning route". it was what came back as the least risky move, and they leapt at it like the fiends that they are.
with the heritage and clout of those call letters, they had options, and with all that laid bare at your feet, you still spend gobs of cash to move a voice trekkie midday man all the way from missouri to middle tn to replace gerry house? insanity. i still feel that they had better options here in town, and even within their building that they ignored. it would seem obvious to me that this was the result of "research", and not "gut" or programming savvy.
-if you are somehow right, and they "just did it" because it was a familiar name, i fear for the industry that is putting my child through college.
ps; i hope that you are right about local radio. i hope it stays that way here, and not just in the top 15
with the heritage and clout of those call letters, they had options, and with all that laid bare at your feet, you still spend gobs of cash to move a voice trekkie midday man all the way from missouri to middle tn to replace gerry house? insanity. i still feel that they had better options here in town, and even within their building that they ignored. it would seem obvious to me that this was the result of "research", and not "gut" or programming savvy.
-if you are somehow right, and they "just did it" because it was a familiar name, i fear for the industry that is putting my child through college.
ps; i hope that you are right about local radio. i hope it stays that way here, and not just in the top 15
lol. i wish. i want on air money, and would take it in a heartbeat
The story will be if Big and Bubba stand up for themselves after being lied to by Clear Channel. I know that they are upset about not even being considered for replacing The House Foundation and a reduction in pay did not help. Have a friend that has told me that possible talks with WSM-FM are underway with Big and Bubba for mornings
didn't know that there was bad blood and pay cuts. as far as them going to wsm, i do not see that happening. rick has been a staple in mornings for a long time. i would venture to guess that he has as much name recall as carl p., jb & b, wood n jim, bill cody, and possibly comes close in general familiarity to house's name recognition in nashville.
100% right. big d and bubba to wsm-fm will not happen until tony and kris get their swing at it. your friend could be looking to cause dissent among the ranks or is a cancer in his own building. that makes everyone watch their backs nervously. been there. hell, i live there :
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no funRadiodj65 said:
Big D and Bubba aren't crushed. The morning shift would have been replaced with their syndicated show, and they would have lost their afternoon gig. WSIX wanted a local show in mornings, and Big D and Bubba wouldn't have given up their syndicated show for that. You can bet they're not leaving Clear Channel and lose their Premiere show to take a gig at SM-FM.
Tibbs2 said:
Not that the bar was all that high, but I agree with you. The BS meter has caught on fire with this one. BD&B are going nowhere. Anyone with moderate intelligence and a keen sense of reality should know that. They have their Premiere gig, and as long as that contract is in place, they'll be at 55 MSW.
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