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2024 Ford Mustang Drops AM Radio From Infotainment

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I was certain that the ones made for police use would be made differently.
Nope.

Most police vehicles are four-doors. The CHP actually specified two-doors all through the 1950s, finally opting for four-doors beginning in 1960.

The exceptions for the CHP since then have been for pursuit cars like the Mustang and Camaro---but those were 1980s and early 90s.

Other jurisdictions, however, have been using them more recently. Richland County, South Carolina:

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Again, they are good for pursuit, but another unit has to handle transport.
 
I was certain that the ones made for police use would be made differently.

That would be cost-prohibitive. The police versions of street vehicles usually feature hotter engines, heavier-duty suspensions and beefed-up cooling systems, but nobody makes a specific body just for police use.
 
That would be cost-prohibitive. The police versions of street vehicles usually feature hotter engines, heavier-duty suspensions and beefed-up cooling systems, but nobody makes a specific body just for police use.
I'm not sure whether you're right, but there are car models made specifically for police and not the rest of us. Maybe that just means the car makers didn't make the same vehicle for us at the same time.

 
Other than that, Ford's Crown Victoria was produced only for police and fleet use after 2008.

Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - Wikipedia This seems to be a very specific car for police use.
It's what I said above---a Crown Vic with enhancements for police use.

The article you link to breaks down the differences between the civilian Crown Vic and the police version (larger radiator, beefier cooling system for other fluids, different axle ratio and shock absorbers, dual exhausts and an interior package similar to that for taxi customers that's designed more for utility than appearance.

Yes, they made it after they stopped selling the civilian version to regular folks at the car dealer, but it not the same as a purpose-built police car. In fact, Ford was able to continue it as a fleet-only (cops and cabbies) special because the tooling had been paid for over the lengthy Crown Vic model run.
 
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I'm not sure whether you're right, but there are car models made specifically for police and not the rest of us. Maybe that just means the car makers didn't make the same vehicle for us at the same time.

Read Michael's response in post 382 above and that kind of sums it up. It's sometimes called a "police package" but the body style, number of doors, etc. is no different than the stock car you'd find at any dealership. One of Michael's earlier posts made me look up something about the Dodge Intrepid as I remembered them being used for law enforcement for a short while, but I'd also heard some unhappy stories about the police version. The snippet below better describes the specs of that particular vehicle:
The Dodge Intrepid police car package, which ran from 2002-2003 and ended with a 4% market share, was based on the Dodge Intrepid R/T, with a 3.5-liter, 242 hp (at 6,400 rpm) V-6 engine. The 248 lb.-ft. of torque (at a low 3,950 rpm) helped in standing starts, while a high-performance suspension, heavy-duty four-wheel disc anti-lock brakes, purpose-built lighting, and severe-duty powertrain cooling system helped longevity and made pursuit safer. (Brakes and handling can be more important when pulling over a 90 mph speeder - with their tendency to slam on their brakes and quickly change lanes - than the engine itself.) Acceleration was on par with the Crown Victoria, while braking and cornering were better, according to official police tests.

Regarding police packages being sold to or used by ordinary citizens, there is nothing that prohibits that. In bigger cities especially, it's not uncommon to see former police cars being used as taxis after they're retired from law enforcement use. Likewise, since so many of them are sold at government auctions that are open to the public (along with tons of other categories of "stuff" that's sold at those auctions), it's not uncommon to see ordinary citizens here and there, driving around in decommissioned cop cars. In one town where I lived growing up, they'd go and buy whatever sedan the local car dealership was willing to unload for cheap and they'd install a light bar and siren on the roof, a shield between the front and back seats and a gun rack. They found, however, that the non-police versions just didn't hold up well over time, but also, the police versions sometimes came with certain features, wiring harnesses and other things that the town would need to pay to add to the standard sedans they were buying and in the end, all things considered over the life of the car, it was just as economical to just buy police package vehicles from the beginning.
 
Regarding police packages being sold to or used by ordinary citizens, there is nothing that prohibits that. In bigger cities especially, it's not uncommon to see former police cars being used as taxis after they're retired from law enforcement use. Likewise, since so many of them are sold at government auctions that are open to the public (along with tons of other categories of "stuff" that's sold at those auctions), it's not uncommon to see ordinary citizens here and there, driving around in decommissioned cop cars. In one town where I lived growing up, they'd go and buy whatever sedan the local car dealership was willing to unload for cheap and they'd install a light bar and siren on the roof, a shield between the front and back seats and a gun rack. They found, however, that the non-police versions just didn't hold up well over time, but also, the police versions sometimes came with certain features, wiring harnesses and other things that the town would need to pay to add to the standard sedans they were buying and in the end, all things considered over the life of the car, it was just as economical to just buy police package vehicles from the beginning.
I didn't mean we couldn't buy them (and I almost did one time), but they just weren't being sold that way.
 
I didn't mean we couldn't buy them (and I almost did one time), but they just weren't being sold that way.
Okay, but this whole sub-thread started when you said Mustangs and Camaros should be cop cars, then said cop cars should have four doors and when I asked about that, you said you were "certain that the ones made for police use would be made differently."

Implying a different body.

They don't do that. Even the "Police Interceptor" packages on cars like the Crown Vic take an existing, commercially available automobile and make modifications making it more useful and durable as a police car.

The closest to a new cop car unavailable to the public was the most recent Chevy Caprice PPV, but again, that was a car that GM made and sold to civilians in Australia that they outfitted for left-hand drive, shipped to America and slapped Chevy badges on, then did the work of beefing it up for police use.
 
Okay, but this whole sub-thread started when you said Mustangs and Camaros should be cop cars, then said cop cars should have four doors and when I asked about that, you said you were "certain that the ones made for police use would be made differently."

Implying a different body.

They don't do that.
I always assumed if it was a cop car it would have four doors. I had seen police versions of Camaros and Mustangs, which I thought should be cop cars because they were muscle cars.
 
Reading this thread-within-a-thread, I just had a funny image come to mind of something completely opposite: an AMC Gremlin dressed up as a police car :p

Has anyone ever actually tried to conjure up such a laughable creation?🤪

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In reading some of the back and forth posts both yesterday and today, @boombox4, I think what @michael hagerty and others are explaining is that much of the tech that you say is coming or will one day happen, is already here. Perhaps it's in a slightly different form than you envision it, but the fundamental capabilities are there and in some cases, have been for a while.

Smartphones are already capable of doing much of what you've predicted - and much more. Regarding TV watching at home, I have Comcast as my provider and I have no cable box. My TV is connected directly to WiFi and my TV is the control device, in does everything a more traditional "cable box" once did, so no need for a phone to act a as a go-between device for me to view something on my TV or act as a 5G "hot spot". If I want to watch video files from my laptop or phone, my TV connects to my computer or iPhone via Bluetooth. If it would become a situation where 5G would become the future for things like connecting TVs to receive and watch content, why not simply have the TV connect up directly to 5G as Michael implies, vs. having your phone act as a "middle man"? That said, I can alreadhy use my iPhone as a wireless remote to operate my SmartTV. "There's an app for that". All that tech exists. You say the "Wired House" will happen. I'm unsure exactly what you're getting at when you refer to a wired house, but the term "Wired House" was being used by Radio Shack more than 30 years ago when they already had modules and systems that would allow you to turn things on and off and control them from a push of a button next to your easy chair. The "internet of things" has existed en masse for consumers for a decade where one can set their thermostat, turn on their oven or stove, control their refrigerator, switch on or dim lights and view content from camera systems in their home, from anywhere in the world, so long as they can get an internet or cell data connection. The question. of course, is what level of comfort some people have with all that tech and how invasive do some feel it is.

Even with all that, cell phones are no more or less valuable to steal for thieves than they once were, and even if someone does take your phone (which you can track using various methods so you can try and find it quickly if stolen) that doesn't mean they can have access to the content on it, and in many cases such as banking and finance, just having your stolen phone in hand doesn't give thieves any level of access to pump gas and buy things with your $$, for instance.
No point in beating this subject to death, but while you're correct that smartphones can already do what I said they could and would do, I think the trend is more towards them being the one device, as they have been literally replacing a lot of other devices, and the writing is on the wall as to which device will dominate human interfaces with the internet and the outer world as phone tech increases.

I don't see that trend changing.

Anyway, I think we've all said as much as can be said. We can talk about all this later on in 15-20 years. :)

And how this relates to AM being yanked from a new Mustang? I suppose it was an inevitability. Perhaps 20 years from now cars will only have FM capability available on the dash for the older, 50+ Millennial demos that still listen to it. Who knows?
 
So you're picturing the phone, in essence, replacing the modem/wi-fi router. That's a lot riding on one device that can be dropped in a toilet, left in an Uber, stolen, broken or just run out of battery. Especially when, if 5G becomes the default for home service, the simplest, most elegant solution is to have the TV connect to the 5G signal instead of to a phone that's connected to the signal.
Look at all that the phones are used for now, even though they can be lost the same way. People are going to continue to use them for more functions, not less. They don't plan on the phone being dropped in a toilet, etc. Just as they don't plan on losing their wallet, or losing their keys.

Otherwise, points well taken.
 
Look at all that the phones are used for now, even though they can be lost the same way. People are going to continue to use them for more functions, not less. They don't plan on the phone being dropped in a toilet, etc. Just as they don't plan on losing their wallet, or losing their keys.
Yes, but those people are carrying their wallet and their car keys in addition to the phone.

Your phone-feeds-the-TV scenario means that if you drop your phone in the toilet, you're not watching TV that night. And that is unnecessary if the TV simply accesses the signal directly----the way contemporary TVs already access wi-fi now.
 
Reading this thread-within-a-thread, I just had a funny image come to mind of something completely opposite: an AMC Gremlin dressed up as a police car :p

Has anyone ever actually tried to conjure up such a laughable creation?🤪

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Yes. Actual police departments in the 1970s.

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That's somewhere in South Texas---and yes, they kept the K9 back there:

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There were a couple of others, too. It looks like they were used for city traffic and parking enforcement. Houston, Texas:

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...and Louisville, Kentucky:

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And if that's not goofy enough, we can move along to AMC Pacer cop cars:

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Not sure what state Freetown is in, but from the looks of the 90s-era Crown Vics in the background, they apparently kept the Pacer in the fleet for a while.
 
Here's a couple of You Tube videos on police cars. The first is a history of police cars in the US. and the second is about wild police cars from around the world:


 
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OK, now we have gone so far off radio and TV that I thought I was at the Car & Driver site...

Time to close this one! (As fun as it has been... 🤗)
 
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