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$40 Gift Card Offer from Best Buy with JVC HD Car Audio KD-HDR1

TheRover said:
$199 JVC KD-HDR1 with a $40 Best Buy Gift Card Thrown In = $159 for HD Car Audio . . .

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat119400050011&type=category
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Who cares? There has to be a justification to remove a perfectly good AM/FM CD radio tuner in a car to buy this HD tuner?

About the only ones buying this if any would be the people upgrading the AM/FM cassette tuners out there for a chance to get the CD option or now the MP3 IPOD option.. in that case kiss the HD tuner above goodbye if it doesn't have the Ipod connection or mp3 capability....

Again... NO SALE.... even with the rebates!

Radiopilot
 
You're right there has to be a good justification to remove a perfectly good car stereo system. Millions of people find just such justification each year, so given that lots of people ARE GOING TO DO IT, why not one with HD? Especially with a rebate? The HD sure doesn't harm anything, and on select stations it sounds SPECTACULAR. Why, it even brings "stations" you've never heard before, and couldn't hear without it, which cost NOTHING!
 
TheRover said:
$199 JVC KD-HDR1 with a $40 Best Buy Gift Card Thrown In = $159 for HD Car Audio . . .

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat119400050011&type=category
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Consumers do not have problems with their in-dash analog radios - I have seen cell phones advertised, "buy one get one free", and the same for Satellite radios, but that is not reason to rush out an impulse-buy. It looks like iNiquity is waiving their $40 HD Radio chipset licensing fee, so they must be getting pretty desperate. BTW, 70% of new cars will offer iPod jacks and automakers are rushing to find ways to get them installed in their vehicles:

"iPod to play in 70% of all new cars"

http://macmikenews.com/apple/ipod-to-play-in-70-of-all-new-cars

The Big Three have rejected HD Radio - what does that tell you ?
 
The big three have not "rejected" HD. Not a single one SAYS they've "rejected" it. They're waiting to make a decision. THAT is what they've said. HD is brand new, and the landscape is still being shaped. There was no AM stereo car radio until the mid-80s...several years after the first stations hit the air. Today AM stereo is STILL being installed in many new cars.

And if "nobody has trouble with their in-dash analog radios", then the after-market car stereo industry doesn't exist. Somebody better tall JVC. And Pioneer. And Kenwood. And Sony. And Alpine. And Blaupunkt. And all the others who make their living from the deficiences in factory-installed systems!
 
Mike Walker said:
You're right there has to be a good justification to remove a perfectly good car stereo system. Millions of people find just such justification each year, so given that lots of people ARE GOING TO DO IT, why not one with HD? Especially with a rebate? The HD sure doesn't harm anything, and on select stations it sounds SPECTACULAR. Why, it even brings "stations" you've never heard before, and couldn't hear without it, which cost NOTHING!
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Mike you're right millions will be upgrading to new tuners... only not for the HD tuners as you say... I bet alot if not 95% of the ones buying new tuners are satelite and or Ipod capable tuners... I believe alot of these consumers are the ones not tuning to radio NOW and HD capable radios are not the answer... these people have already lost interest in the programming content of most radio stations.

Radiopilot
 
Mike Walker said:
The big three have not "rejected" HD. Not a single one SAYS they've "rejected" it. They're waiting to make a decision. THAT is what they've said. HD is brand new, and the landscape is still being shaped. There was no AM stereo car radio until the mid-80s...several years after the first stations hit the air. Today AM stereo is STILL being installed in many new cars.

And if "nobody has trouble with their in-dash analog radios", then the after-market car stereo industry doesn't exist. Somebody better tall JVC. And Pioneer. And Kenwood. And Sony. And Alpine. And Blaupunkt. And all the others who make their living from the deficiences in factory-installed systems!
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Come on Mike... if HD radio and it's marketing hype all over the internet and terrestrial radio is as they say it is.. it's the best thing since slice bread, the U.S. auto maunfacturers should have pounced on this HD craze without a heartbeat if it meant Americans were going out of their way to buy cars equipted with HD radios...

This isn't happening in this age of consumer awareness with the auto industry, the auto industry knows that consumers are fed up with high prices of cars, high prices of gasoline, and cars simply are not flying off the car lots.. so they are VERY cautious of adding extra NON ESSENTIAL items that would bring a higher costs to the vehicles... they've already said it... our discussing it is not going to change matters....

HD will be a moot issue if the Big 3 auto makers decides they will not offer the HD radios...

Radiopilot
 
That may be what you "bet", RadioPilot, but no audience survey bears out your beliefs. More than 200 million people listen to terrestrial radio EVERY WEEK. That is a FACT!

People who subscribe to XM or Sirius believe that "everbody listens to satellite radio, nobody cares about FM anymore"...despite the fact that the TOTAL audience for BOTH services is less than 10 percent of terrestrial radio after many years. And of course many subscribers (like me) ALSO listen to their local stations. Believing something just doesn't make it true.

I don't mean that as criticism, by the way. I bought a car stereo with mp3 and satellite radio. These were MUST HAVE ITEMS. But I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS consider a car audio system without a radio. Hell, it's a safety issue! I remember being caught in a flood on vacation in Charleston SC a few years ago. Listening to the radio to find which roads were passable may well have saved my life (and my wife's). I doubt an Ipod would have been much help! Nor would it have given a sports fan his scores, a news junkie the sound of Tony Snow's first news conference after his cancer flareup, or my local college fm's live coverage of MERLEFEST last weekend!
 
Mike Walker said:
The big three have not "rejected" HD. Not a single one SAYS they've "rejected" it. They're waiting to make a decision. THAT is what they've said. HD is brand new, and the landscape is still being shaped. There was no AM stereo car radio until the mid-80s...several years after the first stations hit the air. Today AM stereo is STILL being installed in many new cars.

And if "nobody has trouble with their in-dash analog radios", then the after-market car stereo industry doesn't exist. Somebody better tall JVC. And Pioneer. And Kenwood. And Sony. And Alpine. And Blaupunkt. And all the others who make their living from the deficiences in factory-installed systems!
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"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"But officials from General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group said they were not rushing to commit to the devices, which would cost the struggling Big Three U.S. automakers as much as an estimated $600 million annually to install. We're investigating HD radio and we'll probably make a decision in six months. When you add up the cost, it's a lot of money," said Michael Kane, director of technology strategy for Chrysler, a unit of DaimlerChrysler."

http://tinyurl.com/yot9sy

Here we go again - the Big Three are struggling, so the writing-is-on-the-wall with HD Radio. If you think they are going to install HD Radio, at this price, then you are dreaming - they know that there is virtually no consumer demand for HD Radio. Besides, iPods are taking over in-dash, with 70% of new cars offering iPod compatability. Also, I saw last night that three of Mercury's SUVs are offering Satellite Radio, with free three-year subscriptions.
 
radiopilot said:
Mike Walker said:
The big three have not "rejected" HD. Not a single one SAYS they've "rejected" it. They're waiting to make a decision. THAT is what they've said. HD is brand new, and the landscape is still being shaped. There was no AM stereo car radio until the mid-80s...several years after the first stations hit the air. Today AM stereo is STILL being installed in many new cars.

And if "nobody has trouble with their in-dash analog radios", then the after-market car stereo industry doesn't exist. Somebody better tall JVC. And Pioneer. And Kenwood. And Sony. And Alpine. And Blaupunkt. And all the others who make their living from the deficiences in factory-installed systems!
Click to expand...

Come on Mike... if HD radio and it's marketing hype all over the internet and terrestrial radio is as they say it is.. it's the best thing since slice bread, the U.S. auto maunfacturers should have pounced on this HD craze without a heartbeat if it meant Americans were going out of their way to buy cars equipted with HD radios...

This isn't happening in this age of consumer awareness with the auto industry, the auto industry knows that consumers are fed up with high prices of cars, high prices of gasoline, and cars simply are not flying off the car lots.. so they are VERY cautious of adding extra NON ESSENTIAL items that would bring a higher costs to the vehicles... they've already said it... our discussing it is not going to change matters....

HD will be a moot issue if the Big 3 auto makers decides they will not offer the HD radios...

Radiopilot
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And with the rise of Toyota to the number one car seller in the United States, I'd say it's more important to get the radios into those cars. Until and unless US manufacturers get away from 6 & 8 cylinder SUV's and produce a fuel efficient vehicle (and I mean 30 plus MPG), they will continue to lose customers. By the way GM has financial ties to satellite radio, so let's not forget that.
 
PocketRadio said:
Mike Walker said:
The big three have not "rejected" HD. Not a single one SAYS they've "rejected" it. They're waiting to make a decision. THAT is what they've said. HD is brand new, and the landscape is still being shaped. There was no AM stereo car radio until the mid-80s...several years after the first stations hit the air. Today AM stereo is STILL being installed in many new cars.

And if "nobody has trouble with their in-dash analog radios", then the after-market car stereo industry doesn't exist. Somebody better tall JVC. And Pioneer. And Kenwood. And Sony. And Alpine. And Blaupunkt. And all the others who make their living from the deficiences in factory-installed systems!
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"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"But officials from General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group said they were not rushing to commit to the devices, which would cost the struggling Big Three U.S. automakers as much as an estimated $600 million annually to install. We're investigating HD radio and we'll probably make a decision in six months. When you add up the cost, it's a lot of money," said Michael Kane, director of technology strategy for Chrysler, a unit of DaimlerChrysler."

http://tinyurl.com/yot9sy

Here we go again - the Big Three are struggling, so the writing-is-on-the-wall with HD Radio. If you think they are going to install HD Radio, at this price, then you are dreaming - they know that there is virtually no consumer demand for HD Radio. Besides, iPods are taking over in-dash, with 70% of new cars offering iPod compatability. Also, I saw last night that three of Mercury's SUVs are offering Satellite Radio, with free three-year subscriptions.
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What else is there to say if the writing is on the wall... who doesn't get this?

Does the Big 3 auto makers stutter in their remarks?

I think it's plainly said... We will not consider the HD radio for now... that's is as clear as day!

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
TheRover said:
$199 JVC KD-HDR1 with a $40 Best Buy Gift Card Thrown In = $159 for HD Car Audio . . .

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat119400050011&type=category
Click to expand...

Who cares? There has to be a justification to remove a perfectly good AM/FM CD radio tuner in a car to buy this HD tuner?

About the only ones buying this if any would be the people upgrading the AM/FM cassette tuners out there for a chance to get the CD option or now the MP3 IPOD option.. in that case kiss the HD tuner above goodbye if it doesn't have the Ipod connection or mp3 capability....
Again... NO SALE.... even with the rebates!

Radiopilot
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The JVC KD-HDR1 is ready for iPod and for Satellite, XM and Sirius; and can playback MP3, WMA, CD-Rs, and CD-RWs, and, reads Digital Audio Text.

And there are quite a few cars that need to upgrade from cassette to CD.
They're out there . . . . You'll see ! !

Wal-Mart Knows !! And apparantly Best Buy does too .. ;D ;D
 
I don't see what "read for Ipod" has to do with radio listening. "Ipod" is the new cd, which was the new lp. Cassette was the new reel to reel, which was the new wire, which was the new recordable 78,which was the new wax cylinder. Recorded music and radio have co-existed for the better part of a century. Changing the format or method if disstribution for the recordings doesn't change that, and sure as hell HASN'T. The miraculous thing is how radio withstands ALL challenges, and morphs to grow and prosper in each new decade. RADIO is immortal. And it's future is digital.
 
All it will take is for one of the big three, or Toyota, or Nissan to start offering the radios, then everyone will. That's the way it always is.

And the big three "not rushing to commit" is a long way from saying they won't offer the radios. It's a negotiating tactic. That's how these things work. I remember a few years ago car makers saying they 'weren't rushing' to install satellite radio. A few under the table deals later, guess what? They're ALL offering it.

What you miss is that NOT A SINGLE MANUFACTURER HAS SAID "we won't be offering HD Radio...ever". Not one. "I'll decide later" is a long way from "no". Words have meaning. Reading comprehension is a powerful thing ;)
 
Mike Walker said:
All it will take is for one of the big three, or Toyota, or Nissan to start offering the radios, then everyone will. That's the way it always is.

And the big three "not rushing to commit" is a long way from saying they won't offer the radios. It's a negotiating tactic. That's how these things work. I remember a few years ago car makers saying they 'weren't rushing' to install satellite radio. A few under the table deals later, guess what? They're ALL offering it.

What you miss is that NOT A SINGLE MANUFACTURER HAS SAID "we won't be offering HD Radio...ever". Not one. "I'll decide later" is a long way from "no". Words have meaning. Reading comprehension is a powerful thing ;)
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"Ford, GM, Mazda Add iPod Support"

"Apple said Thursday that it had struck agreements with Ford, General Motors and Mazda to offer seamless iPod integration in 2007 automobile models. In Ford and General Motors cars, a majority would provide the feature, while Mazda has decided to include the feature across its entire lineup.Now more than 70 percent of 2007-model US automobiles will offer iPod integration, with General Motors alone making it available on all 56 of its models, representing millions of cars and trucks," Apple marketing vice president Greg Joswiak said. The Cupertino company also said it had sold more the 58 million iPods since the product's launch."

http://www.betanews.com/article/Ford_GM_Mazda_Add_iPod_Support/1154621157

"SPECIAL REPORT: iPod Connections inThe Newest Cars"

http://www.barefeats.com/cars-ipod.html

With 70% of new cars offering iPod compatibility, no car manufacturer is rushing out for HD Radio - no way, will HD radio make it standrard in-dash with the Big Three, with it costing $600,000,000/year to install. Of course, with optional HD Radio costing $500 in BMW's, etc, that cost would also have to be passed onto consumers, as either optional, or standard (haha) equipment. The TV commercials for the Nissan Sentra show an iPod plugged-in in-dash. You know darn well, that the Big Three are just placating the HD Radio Alliance, when they state they will, "think about it".
 
PocketRadio said:
You know darn well, that the Big Three are just placating the HD Radio Alliance, when they state they will, "think about it".
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I think they are waiting for someone to show them how to make money out of it. If there is a buck in it, they will propbably do it.
 
Chuck said:
PocketRadio said:
You know darn well, that the Big Three are just placating the HD Radio Alliance, when they state they will, "think about it".
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I think they are waiting for someone to show them how to make money out of it. If there is a buck in it, they will propbably do it.
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This is the most accurate assessment of what is behind the reasoning of GM, Chrysler & Ford for not jumping into HD radio (or anything for that matter).
 
No the big 3 didn't "stutter in their remarks". They just didn't say what you claim they did. What they DIDN'T say was that they wouldn't put HD in cars. NOBODY has said that.
 
Mike Walker said:
No the big 3 didn't "stutter in their remarks". They just didn't say what you claim they did. What they DIDN'T say was that they wouldn't put HD in cars. NOBODY has said that.
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I'm going to get what I need in my automobile, at a fair price, no matter what the Big 4 decide on.

It was Radio Shack that gave me Cassette FM for around $120 in 1972 when that was just a wet dream for auto-makers, that had that on their High-end only for $500-600!

Eventually the Big Boys offer decent stuff.... but the price is always HIGHER than what I would opt for...

That's why my best friend is Crutchfield for car stereo !!
 
TheRover said:
radiopilot said:
TheRover said:
$199 JVC KD-HDR1 with a $40 Best Buy Gift Card Thrown In = $159 for HD Car Audio . . .

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat119400050011&type=category
Click to expand...

Who cares? There has to be a justification to remove a perfectly good AM/FM CD radio tuner in a car to buy this HD tuner?

About the only ones buying this if any would be the people upgrading the AM/FM cassette tuners out there for a chance to get the CD option or now the MP3 IPOD option.. in that case kiss the HD tuner above goodbye if it doesn't have the Ipod connection or mp3 capability....
Again... NO SALE.... even with the rebates!

Radiopilot
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Wal-Mart Knows !! And apparantly Best Buy does too .. ;D ;D
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WalMart is pretty keen on marketing and they KNOW when a product is selling or not based on it's computerized inventory system, so YEAH many products have been on the shelves of WalMart and many have been taken off due to poor sales... no rocket science here.

Radiopilot
 
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