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790 WQSV, Ashland City is selling out to the Mexicans!

DavidEduardo said:
scottwmro said:
You may be doing it the right way, and the legal way, BUT, the group that I worked for in "03", I question their business practices.

Then you should focus on a sleazy operator, which has nothing to do with ethnicity. Sleazy operators such as the pedophiles that have recently lost licences, or the ones from the past like Don Burden, occur occasionally and are a reflection on the individual.

Hispanics have owned essentially all the stations in Puerto Rico for 85 years. Yet the only license revocation was against an "Anglo" owner, O Roy Chalk. So would that mean that all non-Hispanic owners are corrupt based on one experience? Your example, assuming even that it is tru, was expanded on by your statement that indicated that such behaviour which you have not witnessed is widespread only because you think Hispanic owners are corrupt.

US banks have shunned hispanic business? Now I question that!

In most markets, banks only have paid attention to Hispanics once the Hispanic presence becomes so large as to be impossible to hide. I can regale you with stories from big Hispanic markets in the US where an advertiser said "I don't want those people in my bank" or where a dealer associiation for a higher end car said, "your listeners don't buy my cars, they steal them." Even today, a third of the Fortune 500 consumer goods companies son't use Hispanic media. That is "shun" with capital letters.

Fifteen years ago, we didn't have this problem of hispanics taking over local AM radio stations,

First, why is serving an audience group that has grown into prominence a "problem?" Radio identifies markets, such as lovers of 80's music or partisans of country, and delivers programming. In this case, the growth of the Hispanic group invites stations that have heretofor not been able to find economic success to try a new option that may actually work.

Traditionally, the first stations in a market have switched to Spanish or other ethnic formats because they were unable to compete in general market. As the market develops, then larger facilities come in.

and leaving suburban communities without local English service.

Very marginal and unprofitable stations generally render much in the way of service. And the idea that small stations provide some kind of special suburban service that the metro flamethrowers don't provide is one I find to be lacking in many ways.

The one and only locally owned and operated FM in this market, Lighting 100, WRLT-FM has had offers from hispanic groups to buy the station with money figures that are so unreal, one wonders where the money is coming from!

Hispanic radio is the only growing sector in radio today. The money comes from the growth of this sector and the fact that advertisers are more and more liekly to target Hispanics today.

As your local Hispanic ocmmunity grows, it is very likely that there will be bigger and better Hispanic stations... look at Atlanta, where now there are two good signal FMs in Spanish, as opposed to a few years ago when the stations were daytime AMs, defective coverage AMs or rimshot Class A FMs.


So David, I guess you are dreaming of a day, just like some of the overseas imports are wanting, a day where all radio stations will be hispanic and there will be no non speaking English stations on anywhere. Come on dude this is America, and the only ethnic stations that have been suscessful in the past are Black Stations. Why, because they speak English, most of them born here, and are not illegal like Tenn Radio Boy has mention.

Most listeners in this area that are listening to hispanic station are illeagl anyway. I bet if we put a push on the Department of Immigration to go in and bust these people, 80% of them are not suppose to be in this country anyway. Also, don't hide the fact of why most of them don't have bank accounts and pay cash. We know where the money is coming from.

They are even taking over our TV media, and moving in taking over TV shows on cable. We should NOT be forced to speak spanish, your stations should be forced to speak english. That is the way it has been here for over 200 years and your coming in here forcing the American public to speak spanish? Come on dude, if I had to live in Mexico, we would be force to speak spanish!
 
i'll take time out from scott's and mine good natured barbs at each other over oldies, the shell dinner hour etc..to seriously AGREE with scott..there's not one ounce of politically correct blood in me, [EDIT]i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...yes i know there are some that try to do it legaly..but they are vastly outnumbered by the rest..but until employers stop hiring them..they will continue to flood over the border..fence or no fence..as for cash transactions..thats easy..no paper trail to follow..no forms to fill out..no taxes to pay...whether you agree with me or not..i don't care...but it is what it is..now back to a regularly schedule programming...scott there is a market in nashville for oldies... ;D


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scottwmro said:
So David, I guess you are dreaming of a day, just like some of the overseas imports are wanting, a day where all radio stations will be hispanic and there will be no non speaking English stations on anywhere.

Not at all. As I said, radio as an industry has always been good at identifying segments of a market that are underserved and providing some type of programming to attract this underserved segment. When each maket has the appropriate number of stations for a specific group, there will be too much fragmentation for any more to come in.

Come on dude this is America, and the only ethnic stations that have been suscessful in the past are Black Stations.

From the end of W.W. II there were stations like WOV and WHOM in New York which were all Italian, many Polish stations, and Spanish stations (the first fulltime ones were around 1947 and 1948). Plus, there were so many multi-ethinc stations or ethnic shows on general market stations that Broadcasting Yearbook 1950 had three pages of them in small type.

Spanish stations have been successful in the Continental US since the 40's, and there were hundreds of them by the 70's. Now, there are 997 of them. And we have an All Farsi station in LA, Vietnamese stations in Fresno, Houston and LA, etc. All are enormously successful.

Why, because they speak English, most of them born here, and are not illegal like Tenn Radio Boy has mention.

I listen to Spanish radio, and I am not illegal. 80% or more of US Hispanics are legal. But even legal immigrants who learn English or who already knew it will generally not change their tastes in musci. I grew up on certain kinds of Spanish language music, and that is what I like today. There is no way I suddenly am going to like AOR or Alternative because I have had no exposure to that music. That's the whole reason why stations catering to large ethnic groups are so successful.

Most listeners in this area that are listening to hispanic station are illeagl anyway.

How do you know this? Besides not having a chance in hell of being true, it assumes that anyone who listens to Spanish radio is not legal. The fact is, Hispanics who are second generation and, of course, citizens, use Spanish radio a lot because they grew up on the music and it is part of their life.

. Also, don't hide the fact of why most of them don't have bank accounts and pay cash. We know where the money is coming from.

Those who don't have bank accounts use check cashing establishments, just as a huge percentage of lower income non-Hispanics do. Then they pay things in cash with the proceeds.

They are even taking over our TV media, and moving in taking over TV shows on cable.

Yep, last week Univision was the number 2 network in 18-34 in the whole US. why? It superseves the lifestyle of US Hispanics, about 40 million of whom are legal.

We should NOT be forced to speak spanish,

You don't have to.

your stations should be forced to speak english.

That is not constitutional; it violates freedome of speech.

That is the way it has been here for over 200 years

That is not true. Foriegn langauge media have a long tradition in the US. This goes back to Dutch newspapers in New York, German ones in Pennsylvania, etc. In the 60's and 70',s for example, Cleveland, Ohio had nearly 20 different foreign language periodicals. Today, instead of papers we have radio stations.

and your coming in here forcing the American public to speak spanish?

Nobody forces anyone to speak Spanish. But if you want to have Hispanic customers, maybe learning Spanish would make you money.

Come on dude, if I had to live in Mexico, we would be force to speak spanish!

No, there are huge American communites in Mexico... hundreds of thousands of people in total, who have retired there due to the more attractive cost of living and the better health care and they don't have to learn Spanish unless they want to.
 
deltas69 said:
mexican stations routinly explain to there audience how and where to get the government freebies from food stamps, health care, welfare,collect social security.

Actually, they don't. Most AMERICAN stations programming for Hispanics are music and entertainment based, some with a bit of news and weather in the morning.

Besides, to get Social security, you have to have PAID IN FICA withholding... it's an entitlement based on contribution. Illegals are not eligible for most of the other things you mention, either.

.and since very few americans listen to those stations..it goes virtually unnoticed.

Around half of US Hispanics are Citizens, so they are Americans. Start with the 8 million Puerto Ricans, all born US Citizens. And in the Southwest, many Mexican families have been here for 6 to 8 generations. Another 30% are residents and eligible for citizenship at some point.

they buy a single family house in a neighborhood and immediately move in three of four families..

Or, like the Colombian and Venezuelan immigrants in Florida, the buy a million dollar plus condo and hire locals to do the gardening and housekeeping. You are stereotyping... yes, many immigrants both Hispanic and other... are lesser educated and low on the wage scale. But many are business owners and professionals and CEOs and such.

they have no desire to assimliate into OUR culture.

The first generation Germans in the 1860's or the Italians after 1880' and so on did not assimilte much, either. The second generation did.

.they want US to cater to them...[Edited for offensive content].......i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...

You realize the Almo was Mexicans fighting Mexicans? From sam Houston to Jim Bowie, all had taken Mexican citizenship in exchange for land. When they took a dislike to Mexican politicians, they started a sucessionist movement.
 
deltas69 said:
i'll take time out from scott's and mine good natured barbs at each other over oldies, the shell dinner hour etc..to seriously AGREE with scott..there's not one ounce of politically correct blood in me, s[EDIT]i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...yes i know there are some that try to do it legaly..but they are vastly outnumbered by the rest..but until employers stop hiring them..they will continue to flood over the border..fence or no fence..as for cash transactions..thats easy..no paper trail to follow..no forms to fill out..no taxes to pay...whether you agree with me or not..i don't care...but it is what it is..now back to a regularly schedule programming...scott there is a market in nashville for oldies... ;D


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Pat,

Since you're an 60's Gold Guy, How come there are many artist that don't get play in that format. You know, I got to thinking Ronnie Dove from Balitmore, MD had alot of hits, especially some good ones the year I was born. They never get airplay and they cracked the top 20 in Billboard of 64-65.
That is what has killed the 60's-early 70's format, the consultants play the same ole songs, day after day. Never nothing done to "freshin it up". Ronnie Dove was one of those "love song" kind of guy and his music can be redone to meet today's sound with today's artist.
As you can tell, I'm sick of listening to someone who's facts are all wrong about the hispanic population, especially here in Nahsville, where 80% of them are illegal anyway, thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!
 
Re: Obfuscation by means of exaggeration.

scottwmro said:
That is what has killed the 60's-early 70's format, the consultants play the same ole songs, day after day.

Consultants neither pick nor play the songs. Listeners do, via music tests which determine which of the hits of a past era are still popular and listeners want to hear. Most songs that charted are not playable today, as listeners don't want to hear them today.

Never nothing done to "freshin it up". Ronnie Dove was one of those "love song" kind of guy and his music can be redone to meet today's sound with today's artist.

Oldies stations, today, pretty much are moving to play songs that are from the late 60's to the early 80's. Any older, and the audience is too old for good sales results.

As you can tell, I'm sick of listening to someone who's facts are all wrong about the hispanic population, especially here in Nahsville, where 80% of them are illegal anyway,

You know this how? You checed everyone for their residency or citizenship status? Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke
 

thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!
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Scott:

Unless you want to see the Feds at your front door with a warrant for being an accessory after the fact, perhaps you should keep your bigoted comments just shy of admitting that you knowingly hired illegal aliens. Paid in cash or by check? Did you or Mr. Goodall issue 1099's to your construction crew? Looking to be audited by the IRS? Want to keep that government approved license for WMRO? Got a good communications attorney? How about just listing the address of your "house and hired illegals to (build) it"? Or maybe just a Mapquest with a big X on it. Viva La Freedom!
 
Well, maybe the threat of various three-lettered agencies ascending upon WMRO will be just the ticket to finally
stop any more posts about hayseed AM stations on this bored.

Can we get back to real radio topics ever again??? I say boycott AM on this board. Give it a rest. Geez.
NO ONE CARES TO READ the one millionth Nashville RI board post about a station with less power or importance than
a CHRISTMAS LIGHT on a strand of 1,000.
 
Tibbs2 said:
Well, maybe the threat of various three-lettered agencies ascending upon WMRO will be just the ticket to finally
stop any more posts about hayseed AM stations on this bored.

Yeah, I just realized that this is all about the grievances of a 250 watter with a 3 watt night power station on, shudder, 1560 which was purchased for $40,000 in the 90's and is likely worth less today.

What makes me shudder al the more are the accusations against another station of illegal activities; the place for such accusations is at the local law enforcement agency. If there is proof, justice will usually have its way. Otherwise, a radio forum is not a place to make unfounded accusations... some of which were against ALL of the nearly 1000 Spanish language radio stations in the US.
 
MOVED: TIO: 790 WQSV, Ashland City is selling out to the Mexicans!

Some posts in this thread have gone off topic and were moved to Take It Outside.

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BigTimeEngineer said:

thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!

Scott:

Unless you want to see the Feds at your front door with a warrant for being an accessory after the fact, perhaps you should keep your bigoted comments just shy of admitting that you knowingly hired illegal aliens. Paid in cash or by check? Did you or Mr. Goodall issue 1099's to your construction crew? Looking to be audited by the IRS? Want to keep that government approved license for WMRO? Got a good communications attorney? How about just listing the address of your "house and hired illegals to (build) it"? Or maybe just a Mapquest with a big X on it. Viva La Freedom!
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Wooo....Wait a minute! Mr. Bob Goodall was responsible for all that, not me as the homebuyer! I DID NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT ON THIS HOUSE UNTIL IT WAS FINISHED. What does my radio station have to do with my personal life buying a home? Not a damn thing. It's not my responsibility to pay Bob Goodall's empolyees. The ONLY person that was payed was Jennifer Houston (my real estate lady, whom got a commission out of the sale of me and my wife buying our home) and Ms. Houston will back me on that.

Once again, when I bought this house in 2006, it had nothing to do with WMRO. Hell, WMRO is just an investment property for me and right now I don't take a dime out of it. My income comes from somewhere else!

Maybe I should give you Ms. Houston's phone number at her office and she can explain all this to you that no radio station had NOTHING to do with my wife and I buying our home....PERIOD! Ms. Houston & myself will be more than happy to show this house was bought legally and even the on my morgage it mentions NOTHING about the radio station.

Why is it your business on how I bought my house? The Feds could careless about me buying this house!
 
BigTimeEngineer said:

thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!

Scott:

Unless you want to see the Feds at your front door with a warrant for being an accessory after the fact, perhaps you should keep your bigoted comments just shy of admitting that you knowingly hired illegal aliens. Paid in cash or by check? Did you or Mr. Goodall issue 1099's to your construction crew? Looking to be audited by the IRS? Want to keep that government approved license for WMRO? Got a good communications attorney? How about just listing the address of your "house and hired illegals to (build) it"? Or maybe just a Mapquest with a big X on it. Viva La Freedom!
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Wooo....Wait a minute! Mr. Bob Goodall was responsible for all that, not me as the homebuyer! I DID NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT ON THIS HOUSE UNTIL IT WAS FINISHED. What does my radio station have to do with my personal life buying a home? Not a damn thing. It's not my responsibility to pay Bob Goodall's empolyees. The ONLY person that was payed was Jennifer Houston (my real estate lady, whom got a commission out of the sale of me and my wife buying our home) and Ms. Houston will back me on that.

Once again, when I bought this house in 2006, it had nothing to do with WMRO. Hell, WMRO is just an investment property for me and right now I don't take a dime out of it. My income comes from somewhere else!

Maybe I should give you Ms. Houston's phone number at her office and she can explain all this to you that no radio station had NOTHING to do with my wife and I buying our home....PERIOD! Ms. Houston & myself will be more than happy to show this house was bought legally and even the on my morgage it mentions NOTHING about the radio station.

Why is it your business on how I bought my house? The Feds could careless about me buying this house!
 
David,

The statement you made about oldies is one I do agree with you on. Research has showed that people who were in thier 20's in the 1980's decade are now in thier 40's, almost reaching 50. The problem with the 60's oldies era is the same 400 or so titles have been played to death across the country for the past 25 years. From market to market, including Nashville, there was an "Oldies FM" station. People whom were in thier teens and 20's in the 1960's era, were always tuned to that market's oldies station.

Here is the consultants take on this subject of "what is now Oldies":

1. Any title from 1955 to 1970 is consider "NOSTALGIA" : That era has replaced the 1930's, 40's & early 50's era of music called Nostalgia, geared to the 55 plus demo.

2. Any title from 1970 to 1992 is now "OLDIES" or refered to as the "New Oldies" :This era replaced the burn out of the 60's and early 70's music overplay on stations like the former Oldies 96.3 and what time WRQQ played this era of music. WRQQ's "Classic Hits" sounds more like "Classic Rock". I not fond of what they are doing as 97.1, "the tower".

3. Any title from 1992 to 2006 is "RETRO" :This is kind of the Recurrent era. Lot of your Basic AC stations get stuck in this era with thier playlist.

What Pat doesn't understand is we have all gotten older, and music had to be push up and redefined. Pat fits in the #1. era. I mention this because that's what he grew up to, the 1960's. I fit in the #2 era. I'm in my mid 40's, late 70's & 80's. The Retro era is for for young adults past thier teens that are now in thier 20's or early 30's.

One thing that I'm shocked about 1200/99.3 FM, WAMB is that Bill Barry has it stuck in the same era of music with a "creeky" sound. WAMB is where the Top 40 Oldies of the late 50's and 60's should be. Before 96.3 changed format to what it is now, the arbitron numbers were horrible with the "Oldies 96.3. It had the same listeners, day in and day out, and NEVER nothing fresh about it. They got to where they couldn't sell ads as well on it, vs. thier sister station, WJXA, Mix 92.9. The "Jack" format is a good mix of Retro, Oldies (70's & 80's) and a current song every now and then.

I've spoken to may consultants in LA, Dallas, NYC, etc, and believe me, they tell me there will NEVER be an "Oldies 96.3 type format on the FM dial in Nashville ever again.
 
I've talked with a retired pastor who has a couple of programs currently on WQSV, and asked him about the upcoming changes. He said the changeover is to take place around March 31st, so they've got two weeks of English language programming left on WQSV. They are to move into a studio somewhere near 49th and 50th Avenues, and Charlotte Avenue, so they will be located somewhere in west Nashville. They will also be moving their transmitter site closer to town, so they will obviously be targeting west Nashville, and not Cheatham County. Their call letters will likely be changing as well. WQSV stood for "Wonderful, quaint, Sycamore Valley," which confirms what I said earlier, that they have been basically broadcasting to the northern half of the county. They also have a slogan, something to the effect of "broadcasting to the twin valleys, the Harpeth and the Sycamore," but since Sycamore is represented in their call letters, and Harpeth is not, they have basically been a northern Cheatham County station. Now they will become what many on here call a "rimshot" station, although I thought it somewhat unusual that they would do that with an AM signal.
 
firepoint525 said:
I've talked with a retired pastor who has a couple of programs currently on WQSV, and asked him about the upcoming changes. He said the changeover is to take place around March 31st, so they've got two weeks of English language programming left on WQSV. They are to move into a studio somewhere near 49th and 50th Avenues, and Charlotte Avenue, so they will be located somewhere in west Nashville. They will also be moving their transmitter site closer to town, so they will obviously be targeting west Nashville, and not Cheatham County. Their call letters will likely be changing as well. WQSV stood for "Wonderful, quaint, Sycamore Valley," which confirms what I said earlier, that they have been basically broadcasting to the northern half of the county. They also have a slogan, something to the effect of "broadcasting to the twin valleys, the Harpeth and the Sycamore," but since Sycamore is represented in their call letters, and Harpeth is not, they have basically been a northern Cheatham County station. Now they will become what many on here call a "rimshot" station, although I thought it somewhat unusual that they would do that with an AM signal.

Well, another AM station bites the dust. I guess before it's all over with it will be just WSM-AM, WQKR-AM 1270 (Ted Johnson/Lee Dorman's station) and WMRO, Magic 1560 in Gallatin with music in English. The rest of the AM Band will go to hell with a bunch of hispanic junk. :mad:

****Hey....tell that Pastor of that church that I have a Sunday Morning opening that just came up yesterday at 1560 Gallatin. Have him call me if he wants it! I will sell him the time at a good price!

Scott @ MRO, Gallatin
 
Tibbs2 said:
Well, maybe the threat of various three-lettered agencies ascending upon WMRO will be just the ticket to finally
stop any more posts about hayseed AM stations on this bored.

Can we get back to real radio topics ever again??? I say boycott AM on this board. Give it a rest. Geez.
NO ONE CARES TO READ the one millionth Nashville RI board post about a station with less power or importance than
a CHRISTMAS LIGHT on a strand of 1,000.


Hey Tibbs,

There are bundles of hay across the road from me. Let's have an Arbor Mist party! Those three letter agencies are going broke or already broken anyway! (HA!) Congress spent all the money, and hey you and I are suppose to get a refund this spring!
 
scottwmro said:
The rest of the AM Band will go to hell with a bunch of hispanic junk. :mad:

Why does anything you don't like have to be "junk?" Most of us write up things like this to differences in taste... one man's champaign is another's poison. I probably don't like the music you like, but I don't call your choice "junk" just because I do not like it.

In other words, who appointed you to be the taste police force?
 
DavidEduardo said:
scottwmro said:
The rest of the AM Band will go to hell with a bunch of hispanic junk. :mad:

Why does anything you don't like have to be "junk?" Most of us write up things like this to differences in taste... one man's champaign is another's poison. I probably don't like the music you like, but I don't call your choice "junk" just because I do not like it.

In other words, who appointed you to be the taste police force?

Nobody appointed me to be anything, I just speak my my mind. David, you have to get to know me to understand me, and that is what is the problem with some folks on this board. If we all agreed, there would be no need for this board, but since us humans don't agree on EVERYTHING, we tend to fuss at each other a little.

Example:

You may like McDonald's Big Macs, where I don't, I prefer Wendy's Hamburgers.

I may like cheese on my eggs in the morning, you may not.

This is all the fun of it. We all have different taste. Pat Julian (deltas 69) likes 60's Pop Oldies, I really don't. We argue all the time over it, but he knows how to take me. Laugh a little. :D

Let's just pop open a big bottle of Arbor Mist and get over it. ::)
 
People who follow my posts will be aware that I can mix it up and be a tease with the best of writers here, but when Mexican immigration has become the number one political hot button this year in this nation, you may have to recognize that some people are slightly more sensitive on that topic than we are when we discuss fast-food greasy spoon places and which music genres are our favorites.

As Molly used to say: "Ta'int Funny McGee!" (circa 1947).
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
People who follow my posts will be aware that I can mix it up and be a tease with the best of writers here, but when Mexican immigration has become the number one political hot button this year in this nation, you may have to recognize that some people are slightly more sensitive on that topic than we are when we discuss fast-food greasy spoon places and which music genres are our favorites.

As Molly used to say: "Ta'int Funny McGee!" (circa 1947).

Hey wait a minute, some of those locally owned greasy spoon places are some of the best places to eat. Fast food.....uuuummmmmm, I just hate McDonalds. At one time they tried to produde a burger and other heathly type foods for older folks like me watching thier weight. It never really took off, even with all the ad money they spent to promote it, it never really didn't attract the older demo.
 
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