80s rap song on an 80s/90s Classic Hits station?

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Someone else on this forum has it right. Music is like candy, much better without the (w)rappers.

Taken as written, the final part of that sentence makes it clear rap is part of music, even if it isn't to one's taste. It's certainly not to mine. Nor is opera, most disco and assorted other genres. Not my taste. But certainly music, and worthy of respect for those who put their talents into them, and worthy of respect for those whose tastes do lie in those directions. The same goes for certain types of books, TV shows, movies....

Denigrating something you happen to dislike as not being "legitimate" alongside other forms of the same type of expression speaks far more about the one doing the denigrating than the art form itself.

 

[TheBigA]

Denigrating something you happen to dislike as not being "legitimate" alongside other forms of the same type of expression speaks far more about the one doing the denigrating than the art form itself.

And denigrating it, insulting it, or saying it's "not music" won't change the opinions of the people who like it. It's kind of like marijuana...you can make it illegal, but it won't stop people from using it.

 

[landtuna]

Denigrating something you happen to dislike as not being "legitimate" alongside other forms of the same type of expression speaks far more about the one doing the denigrating than the art form itself.

You keep responding in the same form but obviously have not read, nor understood what I said. My dislike of rap has nothing to do with my opinion that it isn't music. I dislike opera intensely but I admit it is music. The didgeridoo is capable of only two notes but I would not argue it is also capable of making music. No, my opinion has everything to do with the fact that people who understand music do not consider it music and many equate it with monkeys beating on a garbage can lid. The exact same can be said for elephants that paint. It is paint, and it might be cute, but it isn't art. The fact that it consists of paint and colors doesn't make it art. There is missing interpretation in the elephant painting and missing content in rap. You can call it anything you want, including music, but that doesn't mean it is.

Now, I have stated my case and you have repeated yours several times. It is therefore fruitless to continue this discussion.

 

[landtuna]

And denigrating it, insulting it, or saying it's "not music" won't change the opinions of the people who like it. It's kind of like marijuana...you can make it illegal, but it won't stop people from using it.

People who eat out of garbage cans might call it 'dinner' but I wouldn't, and neither would you.

 

[CTListener]

You keep responding in the same form but obviously have not read, nor understood what I said. My dislike of rap has nothing to do with my opinion that it isn't music. I dislike opera intensely but I admit it is music. The didgeridoo is capable of only two notes but I would not argue it is also capable of making music. No, my opinion has everything to do with the fact that people who understand music do not consider it music and many equate it with monkeys beating on a garbage can lid. The exact same can be said for elephants that paint. It is paint, and it might be cute, but it isn't art. The fact that it consists of paint and colors doesn't make it art. There is missing interpretation in the elephant painting and missing content in rap. You can call it anything you want, including music, but that doesn't mean it is.

Now, I have stated my case and you have repeated yours several times. It is therefore fruitless to continue this discussion.

A wise move. Now that you've brought simians into a discussion of an African-American musical genre, you are treading into dangerous territory.

 

[TheBigA]

People who eat out of garbage cans might call it 'dinner' but I wouldn't, and neither would you.

You obviously didn't get my point. Enjoy what you want to enjoy and stop criticizing everyone else.

 

[landtuna]

A wise move. Now that you've brought simians into a discussion of an African-American musical genre, you are treading into dangerous territory.

In my neck of the woods the vast majority of people listening to rap are white teens. There was nothing in my post intended to be derogatory to any person or persons.

 

[landtuna]

You obviously didn't get my point. Enjoy what you want to enjoy and stop criticizing everyone else.

Ah but I did understand your point. Completely. And if you followed this thread you would understand that I am not criticizing rap itself, the people who listen to it or, necessarily the people who make it (although I am on record as saying I consider most of them untalented). I simply stated I didn't consider rap to be music. That's it. I could have also pointed out that a drum solo is also not "music" by several definitions.

Much as you state your opinions concerning the operation and formats of station owners and operators I stated mine concerning rap. I criticized no one in the process.

 

[TheBigA]

Much as you state your opinions concerning the operation and formats of station owners and operators I stated mine concerning rap. I criticized no one in the process.

I think we all get that you don't like it, but when you compare it to garbage, and the people who make it to monkeys, you're going over the line.

In all the opinions I've ever posted here, I've never compared any stations or owners to garbage or monkeys. The TOS here says you should do the same.

 

[landtuna]

I think we all get that you don't like it, but when you compare it to garbage, and the people who make it to monkeys, you're going over the line.

My original point was that rap was not music. That I happen to dislike it was introduced by another poster. And, read what I posted again. My statement never compared it to garbage nor did I say or intimate that rappers are monkeys.

In all the opinions I've ever posted here, I've never compared any stations or owners to garbage or monkeys. The TOS here says you should do the same.

I didn't say you did. I said you criticize. And you do. It is not uncommon on this forum and could be considered a valuable source of information depending upon which side your toast is buttered. But it was an inaccurate statement as I didn't criticize rap. I just said it isn't music. That should be a clear and concise differentiation for most people.

 

[John Gallagher]

Yet, another circular argument going round and round. Can we get back on track to the original question?

Thought of more artists I could see working on classic hits. Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock - "It Takes Two", "Joy And Pain", Bell Biv Devoe - "Poison", Blackstreet = "No Diggity".

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

They would definitely work.

 

[vchimpanzee]

A wise move. Now that you've brought simians into a discussion of an African-American musical genre, you are treading into dangerous territory.

I thought simians put songs together that didn't belong together and made radio stations sound weird.

I hear "Rapper's Delight' the other night on the ABC TV series "Scandal", which is known for playing 70s oldies. Without the vocals, it's actually disco. With the vocals, it's my favorite rap song because back then rap actually sounded good.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Except both Disco and Country are music - unpleasant as they might be.

Some of us like them. Now "country" as I define it doesn't actually include a lot of what is being played on so-called country radio.

 

[landtuna]

Some of us like them. Now "country" as I define it doesn't actually include a lot of what is being played on so-called country radio.

Of course some of you do - I didn't criticize you either. My recent exposure to what some people call Classic Country (as played on WKCE) has made me appreciate the Country of my youth all over again. It is the new crap I don't like. And you might be surprised at the rather large number of Country songs in my personal library. You won't find any Disco there though.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Of course some of you do - I didn't criticize you either.

I didn't think you did.

 

[firepoint525]

I used to have copies of several episodes of "Retro Rewind," a program (similar to "Backtrax USA") which was produced here in Nashville back around 1998 or so. I remember that it had "Bust a Move" on one of the episodes, but I don't specifically recall any other rap tunes on it. I can't comment any further because I no longer have the programs, having donated them to the Tennessee Radio Hall of Fame. "Bust a Move" was, and still is, fairly mainstream, especially for a rap song. I occasionally still hear it on our local Jack-FM station, but almost nowhere else.

 

[Aquarius]

I thought simians put songs together that didn't belong together and made radio stations sound weird.

I hear "Rapper's Delight' the other night on the ABC TV series "Scandal", which is known for playing 70s oldies. Without the vocals, it's actually disco. With the vocals, it's my favorite rap song because back then rap actually sounded good.

The instrumental to Rapper's Delight was taken from Chic's Good Times, in fact rap music started with battle rappers rhyming over disco instrumentals.

 

[The Harsh Reality]

The instrumental to Rapper's Delight was taken from Chic's Good Times, in fact rap music started with battle rappers rhyming over disco instrumentals.

Which nearly led to Nile Rodgers owning the Sugarhill Gang. They weren't the only one to do it either. Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" sampled heavily from the Chic song as well.

 

[firepoint525]

Wife tells me that she heard "Push It" by Salt & Pepa on Mix 92.9! They are the local AC station here in Nashville. It would not surprise me to hear it there when they have Tom Kent on, but it would surprise me to hear it there otherwise (in normal everyday rotation).