91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

[MikeShannon914]

Guess it's another case of a translator being crammed into the already-overcrowded dial. Then again, why is a non-com being given carte blanche on a commercial dial position? I'm talking about KVTT 91.7 now repeating its signal over 102.5, which DFW 'use-ta-could' semi-usually pick up as KMAD-Mad Rock in Whitesboro, that runs ABCRN's "Classic Rock Experience." Many times, KMAD's music beats the crap out of the other rock and classic rock selections in DFW.

 

[charles123]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Guess it's another case of a translator being crammed into the already-overcrowded dial. Then again, why is a non-com being given carte blanche on a commercial dial position? I'm talking about KVTT 91.7 now repeating its signal over 102.5, which DFW 'use-ta-could' semi-usually pick up as KMAD-Mad Rock in Whitesboro, that runs ABCRN's "Classic Rock Experience." Many times, KMAD's music beats the crap out of the other rock and classic rock selections in DFW.

I agree there.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Guess it's another case of a translator being crammed into the already-overcrowded dial. Then again, why is a non-com being given carte blanche on a commercial dial position? I'm talking about KVTT 91.7 now repeating its signal over 102.5, which DFW 'use-ta-could' semi-usually pick up as KMAD-Mad Rock in Whitesboro, that runs ABCRN's "Classic Rock Experience." Many times, KMAD's music beats the crap out of the other rock and classic rock selections in DFW.

I agree there.

So - can we protest and get this jamming stopped?

 

[txchipk]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

The owners of the 102.5 translator (K273BJ Dallas) have filed to change it to KGGR 1040, which would use it to add nighttime programming according to the most recent filing with the FCC. They would then sell the translator to KGGR.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...t=25&appn=101280344&formid=911&fac_num=142328
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=703534

Although I would personally prefer to hear KBRQ, in this case, it would put a unique format (black gospel) on the FM band on a facility that covers a large black population.


Speaking of translators, what is K240DS 95.9 Garland now carrying? It seems to be some sort of Spanish religious format. It was rebroadcasting a LPFM in east Texas. The FCC paperwork says it should be relaying KTXG 90.5 Greenville.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Although I would personally prefer to hear KBRQ, in this case, it would put a unique format (black gospel) on the FM band on a facility that covers a large black population.

Like that is supposed to make the jamming of KMAD and "The Bear" somehow OK?! I thought black gospel was already on 970 AM. If they want better sound quality - they should take the station HD and tell their listeners to get HD radios. Most radio listening is done in the daytime anyway so it shouldn't matter that they shut down at night.

If there is a market for black gospel in the area, then somebody will play it. How many ptoential advertisers have they contacted? What is their business plan? If not on a full power signal, then maybe an HD-2. Has anybody even bothered to contact KLTY about going HD and putting black gospel on an HD-2?

I repeat - where do we send protests for this senseless destruction of rim shot signals?!

 

[whodatdj]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Although I would personally prefer to hear KBRQ, in this case, it would put a unique format (black gospel) on the FM band on a facility that covers a large black population.

Like that is supposed to make the jamming of KMAD and "The Bear" somehow OK?! I thought black gospel was already on 970 AM. If they want better sound quality - they should take the station HD and tell their listeners to get HD radios. Most radio listening is done in the daytime anyway so it shouldn't matter that they shut down at night.

If there is a market for black gospel in the area, then somebody will play it. How many ptoential advertisers have they contacted? What is their business plan? If not on a full power signal, then maybe an HD-2. Has anybody even bothered to contact KLTY about going HD and putting black gospel on an HD-2?

I repeat - where do we send protests for this senseless destruction of rim shot signals?!

A couple of things. First they are legally licensed to use those frequencies so they are not "jamming" them so don't make them out to be pirates. The stations you mention, "Mad" and the "Bear," are licensed to communities outside of the DFW metro and those communities are still being serviced without interruption. Sorry you don't like the programming but the owners of these translators played by the rules and are legal.

And to your argument about Black Gospel already being represented in the market one could say the same about Classic Rock and Rock. So by your logic we shouldn't miss KMAD.

Last I heard Salem (KLTY) is still playing wait and see on HD and has not invested the money to upgrade.

You can complain to the FCC but unless they are out of compliance with the amont of power etc then you're more than likely out of luck. The war on these translators was fought and lost a number of years ago.

 

[fybush]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

I repeat - where do we send protests for this senseless destruction of rim shot signals?!

You send them to KMAD (or to KBRQ, as the case may be.)

Translators are interesting beasts, legally, because they're licensed on a secondary basis and are required, at least by the letter of the law, to protect ANY existing reception of primary signals, regardless of whether the listener being affected is in the primary station's protected contour or not. This is, in fact, the ONLY protection primary stations get outside their "protected" contours.

The catch is, the FCC doesn't want to hear complaints directly from the listeners in question - it wants them to come from the station that's suffering interference. So what you want to do is to document the interference, certify (preferably in a notarized letter) that you are a regular listener to KMAD or KBRQ, then send that documentation not to the FCC - but to KMAD or KBRQ and hope they care enough about their fringe audience to want to fight this.

 

[whodatdj]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Scott is correct in that the regs state.

Interference Caused
A translator or booster may not cause predicted or actual interference. If any actual interference is created, the Commission requires the permittee or licensee to resolve all interference complaints by appropriate means. If the interference cannot be resolved, the Commission will require the FM translator or booster station to discontinue operations. See 47 CFR Section 74.1203. A translator construction permit application will not be granted if an objecting party provides convincing evidence that the proposed translator station would likely interfere with off-the-air reception of a full service FM station, even if there is no predicted prohibited contour overlap.

However it will be a long uphill battle to get any change made.

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Although I would personally prefer to hear KBRQ, in this case, it would put a unique format (black gospel) on the FM band on a facility that covers a large black population.

Like that is supposed to make the jamming of KMAD and "The Bear" somehow OK?! I thought black gospel was already on 970 AM. If they want better sound quality - they should take the station HD and tell their listeners to get HD radios. Most radio listening is done in the daytime anyway so it shouldn't matter that they shut down at night.

If there is a market for black gospel in the area, then somebody will play it. How many ptoential advertisers have they contacted? What is their business plan? If not on a full power signal, then maybe an HD-2. Has anybody even bothered to contact KLTY about going HD and putting black gospel on an HD-2?

I repeat - where do we send protests for this senseless destruction of rim shot signals?!

There is a market for black gospel....KGGR(which is daytime only, to protect WHO). KHVN is gospel. Black Gospel is not part of Salem's business model. If they were then they would put resources into. For the 8 years that I have worked for SRN, not one time have they even bother to program, buy or LMA a black gospel station. You would assume that when ABC got rid of Rejoice sometime ago that Salem would have bought them. Not even interested. They are not interested in the black dollar. So why would KLTY put gospel on an HD signal.
What is the problem with Gospel music being heard at night all year? What do you have against gospel music? If you are not concerned about it that is fine. If you want to hear KMAD, then go live in the area that broadcast in.

 

[whodatdj]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

There is a market for black gospel....KGGR(which is daytime only, to protect WHO). KHVN is gospel. Black Gospel is not part of Salem's business model. If they were then they would put resources into. For the 8 years that I have worked for SRN, not one time have they even bother to program, buy or LMA a black gospel station. You would assume that when ABC got rid of Rejoice sometime ago that Salem would have bought them. Not even interested. They are not interested in the black dollar. So why would KLTY put gospel on an HD signal.
What is the problem with Gospel music being heard at night all year? What do you have against gospel music? If you are not concerned about it that is fine. If you want to hear KMAD, then go live in the area that broadcast in.

Step lightly young Jedi...you may have given all the information needed to identify yourself to someone (Salem) that might take exception to your post. Too tough of a radio economy to be bringing attention to yourself. Just my two cents.

 

[fybush]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Scott is correct in that the regs state.

Interference Caused
A translator or booster may not cause predicted or actual interference. If any actual interference is created, the Commission requires the permittee or licensee to resolve all interference complaints by appropriate means. If the interference cannot be resolved, the Commission will require the FM translator or booster station to discontinue operations. See 47 CFR Section 74.1203. A translator construction permit application will not be granted if an objecting party provides convincing evidence that the proposed translator station would likely interfere with off-the-air reception of a full service FM station, even if there is no predicted prohibited contour overlap.

However it will be a long uphill battle to get any change made.

It's been done, fairly recently, in my neck of the woods. Ended up being a frequency change (two of them, actually) for the translator - that may not be an option on the much more crowded DFW radio dial, though.

 

[txchipk]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

As I said in my previous post, I would personally prefer KBRQ to black gospel, but K237BJ isn't doing anything illegal and is not "jamming" anyone. It does not interfere with the *protected* contours of either KBRQ or KMAD-FM. Saying it is "jamming" these stations is like saying KZPS is "jamming" KOMA-FM 92.5 Oklahoma City from these parts because without KZPS some folks in the market might get a weak signal.

A format targetted towards a black audience is serving a large part of the population that facility reaches: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FX1273059.html. I know it's a strange concept these days, but I'm all for stations putting on formats that actually would serve and appeal to people within its coverage areas. It sure beats putting on Spanish-language formats on rimshots covering mostly non-Spanish-speaking suburban populations.

Clear Channel changed KBRQ's facilities sometime back to make it directional *away* from Dallas: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM581276.html. Since it has 5 FMs, the max it can own in this market, it needed to reduce 102.5's contour on the north side of its coverage area to reduce the overlap with the Dallas stations.

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

There is a market for black gospel....KGGR(which is daytime only, to protect WHO). KHVN is gospel. Black Gospel is not part of Salem's business model. If they were then they would put resources into. For the 8 years that I have worked for SRN, not one time have they even bother to program, buy or LMA a black gospel station. You would assume that when ABC got rid of Rejoice sometime ago that Salem would have bought them. Not even interested. They are not interested in the black dollar. So why would KLTY put gospel on an HD signal.
What is the problem with Gospel music being heard at night all year? What do you have against gospel music? If you are not concerned about it that is fine. If you want to hear KMAD, then go live in the area that broadcast in.

Step lightly young Jedi...you may have given all the information needed to identify yourself to someone (Salem) that might take exception to your post. Too tough of a radio economy to be bringing attention to yourself. Just my two cents.

Im not worried. Its all about options buddy!!!!!!

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

There is a market for black gospel....KGGR(which is daytime only, to protect WHO). KHVN is gospel. Black Gospel is not part of Salem's business model. If they were then they would put resources into. For the 8 years that I have worked for SRN, not one time have they even bother to program, buy or LMA a black gospel station. You would assume that when ABC got rid of Rejoice sometime ago that Salem would have bought them. Not even interested. They are not interested in the black dollar. So why would KLTY put gospel on an HD signal.
What is the problem with Gospel music being heard at night all year? What do you have against gospel music? If you are not concerned about it that is fine. If you want to hear KMAD, then go live in the area that broadcast in.

OK - if there is a market, develop a business plan, take it to investors, buy somebody out, and put a station on the air.

So there is a difference between gospel - 970 - and black gospel - 1440. What is 1630? It is looking to me like the area is already saturated with gospel. You are right - I don't care. I don't have to care - it doesn't enrich my spiritual life no matter what variety of gospel, black, ordinary, or whatev - I am a power FM listener myself. But puh-LEASE - don't try to make it into some racial thing, I don't like gospel, I don't like country, I don't like news talk, I don't like sports, I don't like Spanish language. So gospel is just one in a list of irritating formats that make frequencies black holes as far as I am concerned. I hope the black gospel fans get their station. I really do. I hope it draws its listeners closer to God. It won't me because I won't be listening. But not a black gospel station at the cost of a station I listen to. Enhance the frequencies that already program the format, buy new stations, etc.

Oh - and that slam about - go live somewhere else. Really gracious of you. Merry Christmas to you, too. I didn't ask for the interference on KMAD - it was foisted on me by what amounts to an attempt to make money off of the sale of a "translator" that is unnecessary for its primary station. Sounds a bit like "money changing" to me. Other posters have documented that I have a legitimate complaint, so do other KMAD listeners. And complain we WILL!

And I don't have to move. Jamming the dial with trash like this has just netted another satellite radio listener. I've been on the fence and intrigued for years. Now I'm acting - no longer on the fence - take away not one, but two of my stations in one week and I don't have enough stations to fill presets on my car radio any more. Why put up with continually shrinking listening options over the air when I can get hundreds on satellite? Once I get it installed - goodbye translator jamming, CBS firing DJ's I like, crummy formats FOREVER. I'm done! Satellite will do until streaming is available. What will I be streaming in a few years? KMAD among others - and I will listen to them without having to move anywhere.

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

There is a market for black gospel....KGGR(which is daytime only, to protect WHO). KHVN is gospel. Black Gospel is not part of Salem's business model. If they were then they would put resources into. For the 8 years that I have worked for SRN, not one time have they even bother to program, buy or LMA a black gospel station. You would assume that when ABC got rid of Rejoice sometime ago that Salem would have bought them. Not even interested. They are not interested in the black dollar. So why would KLTY put gospel on an HD signal.
What is the problem with Gospel music being heard at night all year? What do you have against gospel music? If you are not concerned about it that is fine. If you want to hear KMAD, then go live in the area that broadcast in.

OK - if there is a market, develop a business plan, take it to investors, buy somebody out, and put a station on the air.

So there is a difference between gospel - 970 - and black gospel - 1440. What is 1630? It is looking to me like the area is already saturated with gospel. You are right - I don't care. I don't have to care - it doesn't enrich my spiritual life no matter what variety of gospel, black, ordinary, or whatev - I am a power FM listener myself. But puh-LEASE - don't try to make it into some racial thing, I don't like gospel, I don't like country, I don't like news talk, I don't like sports, I don't like Spanish language. So gospel is just one in a list of irritating formats that make frequencies black holes as far as I am concerned. I hope the black gospel fans get their station. I really do. I hope it draws its listeners closer to God. It won't me because I won't be listening. But not a black gospel station at the cost of a station I listen to. Enhance the frequencies that already program the format, buy new stations, etc.

Oh - and that slam about - go live somewhere else. Really gracious of you. Merry Christmas to you, too. I didn't ask for the interference on KMAD - it was foisted on me by what amounts to an attempt to make money off of the sale of a "translator" that is unnecessary for its primary station. Sounds a bit like "money changing" to me. Other posters have documented that I have a legitimate complaint, so do other KMAD listeners. And complain we WILL!

And I don't have to move. Jamming the dial with trash like this has just netted another satellite radio listener. I've been on the fence and intrigued for years. Now I'm acting - no longer on the fence - take away not one, but two of my stations in one week and I don't have enough stations to fill presets on my car radio any more. Why put up with continually shrinking listening options over the air when I can get hundreds on satellite? Once I get it installed - goodbye translator jamming, CBS firing DJ's I like, crummy formats FOREVER. I'm done! Satellite will do until streaming is available. What will I be streaming in a few years? KMAD among others - and I will listen to them without having to move anywhere.

There are 2 Black Gospel stations in Dallas/Ft. Worth....KHVN 970 and KGGR 1040. KKGM is 1630. It is a southern gospel station. They are owned by Mortenson Broadcasting. KHVN is 24 hours, but 970 is challenged at night. KGGR is a daytimer. It has to sign off because of WHO 1040 in Iowa. So what is wrong with KGGR legally doing what it can to broadcast at night to enhance their station. Like txchipk said, they are not doing anything illegal. If you want to hear KMAD then:

1. Move to their city of license
2. See if they stream their signal on the internet.

I would definitely like to see a black gospel station on the FM dial in this market. You may not find enlightenment from Gospel, but there are those in my community that do. CCM or the music that KLTY airs is not my cup of tea, but I don't want it gone from the airwaves. I hated to see the Oasis go away, but in reality I had to deal with it because in the long run its called BUSINESS. You can cry and moan all you want. If you want to do something about it then you get the investors together to help KMAD improve its signal. Thats what Mortenson did.

 

[LibertyNT]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

I Emailed the GM of KVTT about the Translator..
He said They Dont Have one.
Said it must be some other station.

 

[txchipk]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

I Emailed the GM of KVTT about the Translator..
He said They Dont Have one.
Said it must be some other station.

As noted in another thread, they don't own the translator on 102.5...
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,116347.msg933677.html#msg933677

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

1. Move to their city of license

Gee- you are just not a very nice person, are you. Why don't you try finding Jesus as your personal savior through your black gospel music.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

I Emailed the GM of KVTT about the Translator..
He said They Dont Have one.
Said it must be some other station.

Complaint 08-C00079130 filed with the FCC. Hopefully with the regulations on our side we can get the jamming stopped for all KMAD listeners. The form is form 2000 - everybody that cares about KMAD, please file. I also wrote the folks at KMAD, and I am going to stop by some businesses that played KMAD and tell them how to file protests. 102.5 is NOT a blank frequency. Just a weak rim shot, but over the air reception is over the air reception - even out of protected contours.

I wish the black gospel fans well - but please find some other way to accomplish your goal.

 

[fybush]

Re: 91.7 "THE TRUTH" RUINS "CLASSIC ROCK EXPERIENCE" RIMSHOT AT 102.5

Complaint 08-C00079130 filed with the FCC. Hopefully with the regulations on our side we can get the jamming stopped for all KMAD listeners. The form is form 2000 - everybody that cares about KMAD, please file.

If you're bored, I suppose it can't hurt - but it won't make any difference, either. The only complaint the FCC will listen to in a case like this is the one that comes from the station being interfered with, as I explained in some detail a few posts back. That process works, at least some of the time, but all the t's have to be crossed and i's dotted to make it happen.