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939 MIA flips to Totally 939 All 90’s all the time!

This might be a bit off topic but I think it applies to the small market/large market portion of the thread. I've worked in major market and small town radio. I can tell you small towns are not easily stereotyped. I was in one market, 43,000 in the market, where I worked an AM/FM combo. We were dominant and long-time top stations. We had no trouble selling 50% more than the combined total of our two competitors at triple the spot rate of their rates combined. In today's dollars that was around $76,000 a month on average. Retail sales was around $600,000,000. In another market where there is no local competitor, a market of 42,000 with a bit more than $850,000,000 in retail sales, the station easily eclipsed 1 in 3 listening within the county. Let's call this a heritage station, dominant for decades. It bills about $25,000 a month at a spot rate about 1/4th of the station I previously described.

You can say both stations are in very similar markets. I've been perplexed by this. I've tried to find a reason. It's not national chains. If anything, there was a bit more competition for ad dollars in the market that had the highest monthly billing. It's nothing I can pinpoint as to why one market can triple bill another. All I can say is that the difference between the two markets seems to be this: what people will pay for radio advertising and how much they will budget.

I've noticed the same from my print friends. X has a newspaper in a town getting $6 a column inch and runs about a 10-12 page weekly that is easily 50-60% advertising in a town of comparable population size and trade area, comparable retail sales and number of businesses. The comparison is a paper that does about 6 pages weekly, about 40-50% advertising content at $2.50 a column inch. Even as far as number of subscribers, both papers have almost the same number (actually one is about 5% less and that's the one charging $6). Both papers on paper look pretty much equal but for some reason one area is willing to spend more and pay higher rates than the other. I cannot explain why.

So when we look at the Ozarks small market, it can be vastly different from a comparable community elsewhere. I'm sure the same can be said of rated markets. The number of advertising dollars can vary greatly regardless of how your rank in the ratings or in small towns, how many listeners you have. Why a guy with a high on the dial AM and a 3kw. FM in a town of 6,500 serving a county of about 35,000 can eclipse $1.2 million a year in billing as the stations locals choose but a twin of this market and stations a few hundred miles away struggles to do 25 cents on the dollar is a mystery.
 
Audacy does a good job with its Variety Hits formatted stations; that's the direction I would take 104.3.

Other options for 104.3:
- Spanish language format of some sort
Field is full. There are several each of the viable formats
- Return it to All Sports
Crowded field in a market divided by language and sports preferences.
- Mainstream Rock with an active lean (similar to WMMR Philadelphia - owned by Beasley)
Not in a market where the 55% Hispanic population is from the Caribbean Basin, the one part of Latin America where rock has done very, very poorly.
For 93.9, I would advocate for either a return to Rhythmic AC, a shift to a Spanish-language music format of some sort, a simulcast of WIOD, launch of an FM lifestyle talk format (similar to Real Radio in Orlando), or Adult Contemporary.
Again, the fact that Miami is nearly 80% ethnic makes any format decision require researching across those communities. Remember, Cox' effort to duplicate WDUV in Miami was based on wrong assumptions... it took them four years to figure out that they had to research Hispanics to do a lighter AC in the market; at that point, they began beating WLYF.
 
If you are suggesting there is nothing better to do with 104.3 & 93.9 than keep their current, low rated, losing formats - I respectfully but vigorously disagree.

Crowded field in a market divided by language and sports preferences.

Audacy owns both of Miami's AM sports stations. I'm suggesting transplanting one of those brands onto 104.3's powerful FM signal.

I completely agree with you, of course, regarding the need to perform comprehensive market research with regard to any proposed change from one music format to a different music format.

My suggestion for a harder edged rock station was a tertiary option; wouldn't be my first or second choice. That said, I have no doubt it would generate better ratings than 104.3 The Flounder.
 
There are three sports stations in the market, one of which used to be on a full power FM signal. Is there really that much of an appetite for sports radio here? I would say no but then again my interest in sports is more of a passing one.
 
Culturally, I agree. But on paper that song looks like just another 90s hit.

Imagine hearing that song in the middle of Casey's Top 40, introduced by Casey Kasem. It peaked at #6 in the Hot 100.
When I played "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as a current, I felt really old, like Bob Sievers (long-time morning host on WOWO in Fort Wayne) must have felt playing The Doors.
 
There are three sports stations in the market, one of which used to be on a full power FM signal. Is there really that much of an appetite for sports radio here? I would say no but then again my interest in sports is more of a passing one.
It's important to remember that even bilingual Hispanics will almost always prefer sports commentary and narrations in Spanish and not English. That is a very ingrained cultural thing.

I remember back in the early 70's when I was consulting KWKW in LA, it was very common to hear of Hispanic baseball fans who would watch the game on TV but put on Jaime Jarrin's radio narrative for the audio.

One of the reasons soccer does not do as well as it should in the US is the absolutely dreadful narration in English. Watch and listen to this... perhaps the best goal in history... narrated by Víctor Hugo Morales for Argentine TV. Emotion and more!

 
Could Audacy turn 104.3 into its sister station Atlanta’s Star 94? The Rhythm of Miami ? Since 939 doesn’t want to be bothered, it could work for 104.3. Thoughts ?
 
Could Audacy turn 104.3 into its sister station Atlanta’s Star 94? The Rhythm of Miami ? Since 939 doesn’t want to be bothered, it could work for 104.3. Thoughts ?
I suppose the answer would depend on how this move could adversely affect other stations in the cluster. Apparently Audacity as I like to call them believes an Alternative format delivers an audience that completes the cluster. It wouldn't have lasted this long, besides probably being cost-effective to run.

From my own personal likes, I never cared much for decade-specific formats. They can grow monotonous quickly. Why not put a "Star" brand on 93.9? Maybe iHeart still wants to give it a chance but it's not a bad idea for Miami to have a sister to Atlanta's Star.
 
Why not put a "Star" brand on 93.9? Maybe iHeart still wants to give it a chance but it's not a bad idea for Miami to have a sister to Atlanta's Star.

I'm confused. Are you suggesting iHeart put an Audacy brand on one of its stations? Hard to have a sister station with completely different parents.
 
I'm confused. Are you suggesting iHeart put an Audacy brand on one of its stations? Hard to have a sister station with completely different parents.
You're right to be confused. Not bring familiar with Star's owner, I assumed we were talking strictly iHeart and what to do with 93.9.
 
It's important to remember that even bilingual Hispanics will almost always prefer sports commentary and narrations in Spanish and not English. That is a very ingrained cultural thing.

I remember back in the early 70's when I was consulting KWKW in LA, it was very common to hear of Hispanic baseball fans who would watch the game on TV but put on Jaime Jarrin's radio narrative for the audio.

One of the reasons soccer does not do as well as it should in the US is the absolutely dreadful narration in English. Watch and listen to this... perhaps the best goal in history... narrated by Víctor Hugo Morales for Argentine TV. Emotion and more!

No doubt! Without the benefit of speaking the language particularly well did ESPN Deportes ever find an audience in Miami? It was on a couple of different signals over the years.
 
No doubt! Without the benefit of speaking the language particularly well did ESPN Deportes ever find an audience in Miami? It was on a couple of different signals over the years.
No. ESPN Deportes en Español focuses mostly on soccer, and the majority of Hispanics in Miami are from Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Nicaragua where soccer is either not played or not the dominant language. Only among Colombians is there a Miami soccer fan base, and even then the interest tends to be teams from Colombia, not generally covered in depth on ESPN.
 
No. ESPN Deportes en Español focuses mostly on soccer, and the majority of Hispanics in Miami are from Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Nicaragua where soccer is either not played or not the dominant language. Only among Colombians is there a Miami soccer fan base, and even then the interest tends to be teams from Colombia, not generally covered in depth on ESPN.
Interesting. Do Hispanics in Miami lean towards the usual Heat/Dolphins/Marlins or something else?
 
Interesting. Do Hispanics in Miami lean towards the usual Heat/Dolphins/Marlins or something else?
This is generational. First generation immigrants will follow the teams from "back home" while the second generation will follow local sports.
 
Interesting. Do Hispanics in Miami lean towards the usual Heat/Dolphins/Marlins or something else?
Miami can be a very fickle sports town. Unless the Dolphins or Heat are playing very well or in the playoffs and winning, the stadium or arena can be nearly 1/2 empty for regular season games. Marlins attendance is dismal much of the time for a number of reasons. There was such a big blowup about how their new stadium was publicly funded nearly a decade ago that they had a special election and the mayor was recalled/tossed out of office. The former ownership had the highest profits in baseball, but nearly the lowest payroll for their roster, and as soon as the newer owners with Derek Jeter at the helm took over, they got rid of many beloved players and long-time legacy Marlins staff or former coaches/players who were still on the payroll. All that said, many fans stayed away for various reasons. Things have improved beginning mid-season last year as they're finally fielding a winning team. One does see lots of Latins in Heat jerseys and shirts, the Dolphins and Marlins to a much lesser extent.

The NHL hockey team, the Florida Panthers, simply isn't right for this market. Their original arena was downtown and attendance was decent. Then they moved to a new arena in Sunrise which is on the edge of the Everglades and a 50 minute drive from downtown Miami when traffic is clear. Miami is not a hockey town, few people here have even seen snow much less skated, and in most cases, the amount of fans for the visiting team outnumbers Panthers fans as the tickets are so cheap it actually costs less for fans from "true" hockey towns to hop on a cheap flight to Miami and get really excellent tickets for a fraction of what they'd pay to get nosebleed seats in their home arenas in the NE USA. Retirees to Florida from up north also attend, but many are there to support their former hometown teams. For at least a time, even pre-covid, they had the seats in the upper parts of the arena covered with tarps with advertisement on them, and fans were seated in the lower bowl only.

David Beckham has been trying to get a new Major League Soccer stadium approved and built in Miami for years now. He's finally got some traction so time will tell how that does.
 
Miami can be a very fickle sports town. Unless the Dolphins or Heat are playing very well or in the playoffs and winning, the stadium or arena can be nearly 1/2 empty for regular season games. Marlins attendance is dismal much of the time for a number of reasons. There was such a big blowup about how their new stadium was publicly funded nearly a decade ago that they had a special election and the mayor was recalled/tossed out of office. The former ownership had the highest profits in baseball, but nearly the lowest payroll for their roster, and as soon as the newer owners with Derek Jeter at the helm took over, they got rid of many beloved players and long-time legacy Marlins staff or former coaches/players who were still on the payroll. All that said, many fans stayed away for various reasons. Things have improved beginning mid-season last year as they're finally fielding a winning team. One does see lots of Latins in Heat jerseys and shirts, the dolphins and Marlins to a much lesser extent.

The NHL hockey team, the Florida Panthers, simply isn't right for this market. Their original arena was downtown and attendance was decent. Then they moved to a new arena in Sunrise which is on the edge of the Everglades and a 50 minute drive from downtown Miami when traffic is clear. Miami is not a hockey town, few people here have even seen snow, and in most cases, the amount of fans for the visiting team outnumber Panthers fans as the tickets are so cheap it actually costs less for fans from "true" hockey towns to hop on a cheap flight to Miami and get really excellent tickets for a fraction of what they'd pay to get nosebleed seats in the NE USA. Retirees to Florida from up north also attend, but mostly to support their former hometown teams. For at least a time, even pre-covid, they had the seats in the upper parts of the arena covered with tarps with advertisement on them, and fans were seated in the lower bowl only.

David Beckham has been trying to get a new Major League Soccer stadium approved and built in Miami for years now. He's finally got some traction finally so we'll see how that does.
All pretty accurate, and yet there are 3 sports talk stations in this market, two of which are owned by the same company and one I can't even pick up on Nob Hill Road in Plantation after dark. If the interest in sports is so tepid, why have three stations dedicated to it?
 
Miami is not a hockey town, few people here have even seen snow much less skated, and in most cases, the amount of fans for the visiting team outnumbers Panthers fans as the tickets are so cheap it actually costs less for fans from "true" hockey towns to hop on a cheap flight to Miami

There are a lot of NYC retirees in the area. That was the original idea. As I recall, NY Rangers star Phil Esposito was one of the original partners way back then.
 
I think I am the only one on this board who likes Totally 93.9. The only drawback is the hokey name of the station. And while I admit that the station is not programmed for Miami in terms of music, I like the variety and I like the fact that they play '90s songs that generally cannot be heard elsewhere. In addition, unlike other iHeart stations, 93.9's playlist is not ridiculously small. I hope the numbers improve and the station sticks around.
 
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