Has any broadcast group tried to operate a credible 24 hour All-News presence in the last decade in South FL? Coming from the New York and Boston radio markets, it's shocking how little English language informational radio exists here in Market #11. (Talk Radio doesn't count...in so many ways...).
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ALL-NEWS in Miami/Fort Lauderdale/Boca?
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no one needs an all news fm station anymore their outdated just pick up your smart phone and click cnn. they also have text messaging on news stories
Nocturnalstate said:
That's not true. In-car users can not surf the web, look on smartphones, etc. Nor would TV newscasts get such huge ratings overall. And WTOP would not be the #1 billing station in the US, followed closely by WINS and WCBS.
WNNNBC said:
It's always been tough for all-news stations outside the top 10 markets, particularly in the Sunbelt. And with Miami being 50% Hispanic (with Spanish dominants concentrated in 45+ where news stations get most listening), the market for all news in English is very small in Miami.
by the way ppl drive down here wedsurfing/ texting and live web streaming thru your phone while driving isnt a problem. oh and also no commericals... 
and also blue tooth hands free
and also blue tooth hands freeWFTL tried back in about 2003, but signal problems, lack of promotion and general mismanagement killed that one. I also don't think "all news" would be profitable in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale market. The market is too hispanic/Spanish speaking for it to work. Not enough listeners in any one language to make the expense of an all newser worth it.
WWBA in Tampa and 1060 on the Space Coast run America's Radio News. I don't know how well they do, but isn't there room in South Florida for something like this? When I'm in Fort Lauderdale, it would be nice to have at least a semi-all newser to listen to.
With four sports stations(five if you count the 104.3 simulcast) booming into South Florida, it would be nice for an alternative.
With four sports stations(five if you count the 104.3 simulcast) booming into South Florida, it would be nice for an alternative.
Houston has an all news station, and the last time I heard, Houston has a rather large Hispanic population.
I never understood the logic with this type of profiling.
Don't other ethnic groups need to be informed?
WINZ 940 was a daypart all news station for many years.
They seemed to try to sound like 1010 WINS,for the expatriated New Yorkers
Also between Dade/Broward/ Palm Beach counties, I'm sure you could find plenty of listeners.
Any all news station that wants to succeed, needs to target all demographics, and be on many platforms.
WTOP Washington for example, has a great web site and their signal is relayed on many outlying and rimshots along with their main AM and FM signals.
A South Florida signal may want to try that, and include a Spanish language sub channel as well.
Think big folks
I never understood the logic with this type of profiling.
Don't other ethnic groups need to be informed?
WINZ 940 was a daypart all news station for many years.
They seemed to try to sound like 1010 WINS,for the expatriated New Yorkers
Also between Dade/Broward/ Palm Beach counties, I'm sure you could find plenty of listeners.
Any all news station that wants to succeed, needs to target all demographics, and be on many platforms.
WTOP Washington for example, has a great web site and their signal is relayed on many outlying and rimshots along with their main AM and FM signals.
A South Florida signal may want to try that, and include a Spanish language sub channel as well.
Think big folks
FLjack2 said:
Norm Rosen said:
Houston has about double the population of the Miami MSA, and about half the Hispanic population percentage.
In any case, the Houston news operation is stuck at around a 0.7 to a 0.8 in 25-54, so that's not a particularly good example.
The Hispanic population in the demos that a news station appeals to is well over two-thirds Spanish dominant and that does not make that group particularly likely to listen.
In any case, the usage of all news is not traditional among under-55 Hispanics. Puerto Rico, which 25 years ago had 4 all news operations today has none.
West Palm Beach County is not in the Miami MSA, and is rated separately. In any case, there is no AM that covers that county day and night, and the FMs, at best, only cover the lower part of that separate market.
WTOP is not on AM and hasn't been for years. It has simulcasts on FM only to complete full coverage of the Washington, DC, market.
HippieGuy said:
All News takes YEARS to take hold. Companies need to understand that they cannot try it for a year and then blow it up if it's not working. It's not like any other format. If WYAY holds out and stays the course for 5 years, they will be fine. People will learn it's there and then tune in when they are stuck in traffic or something big happens.
David, with all due respect, WJNO covers all of Palm Beach County. It even does well out west, in and around Belle Glade. However, we all know that Clear Channel would never start an all-news station that is locally-based.
850 also covers most of Palm Beach County. While its focus has always been Broward and, to a lesser extent, Dade, it has quite a signal in most parts of Palm Beach County.
850 also covers most of Palm Beach County. While its focus has always been Broward and, to a lesser extent, Dade, it has quite a signal in most parts of Palm Beach County.
ScottBurns said:
But we are talking about a Miami based station... none of those cover the Palm Beaches adequately.
I missed your main point, David. Sorry. The Miami AM with the best reception in Palm Beach County is probably WIOD. And even that has a lousy signal in most of Palm Beach County.
As a veteran of WINZ in the News days I know well how it worked in Miami. It did work and WINZ was quite successful under Hal Frank, he was from WINS and did an excellent job taking over the rein from Dick Casper who was an excellent promoter. It takes a monster signal to reach enough people to defray the cost. Staffing is really big, you can't just take network feeds it has to be local. During the riots in the early 80's followed by the Mariel boatlift WINZ was maintaining 4's and 5's and had loyal advertisers. News was big enough that Dick Casper moved to 790 and started WNWS to take on 94WINZ. Miami had 2. WNWS was supported by NBC News who wanted to get in to full news radio witn their won brand. Dick did much of the creation of the NBC news product. When Hal Frank left for station ownership in California after forming a partnership with WSVN's Ed Ansin, the station went through several poor managers that turned their efforts to the easier to profit FM (I-95). By that time 790WNWS had failed and WINZ was slipping badly with high payroll turned to more talk oriented less staff and the rest is history
How well does WINZ do today. being the lowest rated of the three sports stations in Miami? There are two more signals that do all sports in South Florida that are very strong in Broward..WMEN and 104.3..even though it is a 790 simulcast, it is another signal that does sports.
I wish 940 would do something different. There is no all news station. America's radio news network augmented with local news would be an inexpensive(compared to a full local news station) to run. 820 out of Tampa and 1060 in Melbourne run it. It would be nice to have a news station in South Florida. WIOD has "South Florida's Morning News", but it is more like a talk show without the listener calls.
How many sports stations does a market need? Not everyone enjoys sports.
I wish 940 would do something different. There is no all news station. America's radio news network augmented with local news would be an inexpensive(compared to a full local news station) to run. 820 out of Tampa and 1060 in Melbourne run it. It would be nice to have a news station in South Florida. WIOD has "South Florida's Morning News", but it is more like a talk show without the listener calls.
How many sports stations does a market need? Not everyone enjoys sports.
Eh give it up guys. Another news station is not happening in this town. WIOD has it locked down. And you forget that if something truly major happened most fm stations will simulcast their news tv partners like they do for hurricanes coverage.
WIOD is fine and does a decent job considering how thin the staff is nowadays. Face it. There is no money in am news talk other than a Rush/Beck/Hannity station. If there was don't you think someone would have done it by now.
I would look for WIOD to go true FM signal soon on 93.9 or 105.9. If I was in charge at Clear Channel I would go wIOD FM 105.9 and put classic rock back on WSHE 103.5 with Ron and Paul mornings. Then run an active rocker on the 100.3 translator and wait it out for the rock format to return and adjust SHE into a true rock station. Then I would put WINZ on the 93.9 frequency and go after any traction The Ticket 104.3 thinks it has.
But it makes too much sense so they won't do it.
WIOD is fine and does a decent job considering how thin the staff is nowadays. Face it. There is no money in am news talk other than a Rush/Beck/Hannity station. If there was don't you think someone would have done it by now.
I would look for WIOD to go true FM signal soon on 93.9 or 105.9. If I was in charge at Clear Channel I would go wIOD FM 105.9 and put classic rock back on WSHE 103.5 with Ron and Paul mornings. Then run an active rocker on the 100.3 translator and wait it out for the rock format to return and adjust SHE into a true rock station. Then I would put WINZ on the 93.9 frequency and go after any traction The Ticket 104.3 thinks it has.
But it makes too much sense so they won't do it.
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^ And if that happens, they can shut off that 100.3 thingy.....says the DXer!
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