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Another editorial on federal funding of public broadcasting

MattParker said:
And bottom line, public radio does very well at sales/underwriting and at fund-raising. They don't need government money.

You continue to ignore the other half of the equation: The government needs the services it pays for from public radio. The critics of public funding need to understand the government side of the equation, and it's not as simple as saving $400 million. If it was, it would have happened a long time ago.
 
A lot of rural stations aren't doing "very well." Maybe MPR is but try asking WTIP or KAXE about their financial picture.
 
Talk_Dude said:
"Freedom of the Press" does not mean that the government is obligated to give anyone paper, ink, and access to a printing press. When the government is willing to fund newspapers in all cities where there's not enough market for a private enterprise newspaper to succeed, then we can talk about the government funding radio stations.

1. The precedent has long been established. The post office for years has "subsidized" the newspaper industry by highly reduced postal rates for newspapers, the very lowest rates given when the paper is sent to a subscriber within the county where the paper is published.

2. The precedent has further been established by the "Legal Notices" laws which require both government entities and certain non-government activities to publish the required legal notices in designated newspapers. You see the lobbying fur fly every time someone makes some noise about allowing the Internet to be used for Public Notice to eliminate that flow of cash into newspapers.


Talk_Dude said:
Besides, the commercial radio stations do an excellent job (or used to do an excellnt job) of providing news and other important information. Maybe if capitalist radio station operators didn't have to compete with government funded stations, they could do an even better job.

With emphasis on the phrase (or used to do an excellent job). You are really reaching out into la-la land with this claim. Capitalist radio station operators in communities where there is no public radio station should be knee deep in news and important information. Just isn't happening. In my broadcast years I was News Director for a small town broadcaster known to be among the most entrepreneurial promoters of news and information as the secret of financial success. I gave some thought to becoming a specialist and exclusively pursuing news and information as a career. I have had a lot of years since them to look over my shoulder from time to time to see how radio news and information and weather is doing, and what kind of job would I have today (today = at the time I am looking over my shoulder) if I had pursued that route.

Every time I have done that little mental exercise, I become more thankful than the last time that I didn't put all my eggs in that "disappearing act" basket.

Television ate radios lunch when it comes to news, information and weather. Public Radio at the local level has eaten the crumbs that fell out of the tablecloth when they stood out on the porch and shook it after lunch.

However, the NPR station at 90.1 serving the geography where you and I live is now gearing up to see in they can have a seat of their own at the lunch table.
 
TheBigA said:
You continue to ignore the other half of the equation: The government needs the services it pays for from public radio. The critics of public funding need to understand the government side of the equation, and it's not as simple as saving $400 million. If it was, it would have happened a long time ago.

What "services" are those and why does the government need them?

Besides what is public radio complaining about? They still wouldn't have to pay taxes (we can save that one for later).
 
MattParker said:
What "services" are those and why does the government need them?

Maybe you should look into that before you make a blanket statement. Just read the testimony from the appropriations hearings.

And as I said, if saving money was the issue, this would have happened in 1982. Instead what happened was a major change in the way the money is given, with lots of strings attached.

MattParker said:
Besides what is public radio complaining about? They still wouldn't have to pay taxes (we can save that one for later).

Who in public radio is complaining? I don't work there any more. The only people complaining are a small group of far right politicians pissed off about Juan Williams.
 
TheBigA said:
You continue to ignore the other half of the equation: The government needs the services it pays for from public radio.

Да. Это верно.
 
TheBigA said:
The only people complaining are a small group of far right politicians pissed off about Juan Williams.

Actually I seriously doubt that they are pissed off. They are just pretending to be - it's all political theatre to beat up on NPR. It's yet another of those issues that wind up their base. I predict that if the already minimal NPR funding is cut further, it will be by only a token amount. In principle they may believe in cutting all government funding, but they won't hesitate to throw their principles out the window if by sticking to them they would deprive themselves of a useful fund-raising issue for their perennial culture wars.

Williams is currently useful as a house liberal for Fox (compared with the rest of their lineup) but I wouldn't be surprised if they quietly didn't renew his contract when it runs out. (Which is what NPR should have done in the first place.) If that happens, there won't be a whisper of complaint from his current, opportunistic, political friends.
 
drt said:
I give up! What is the other half of the equation?

The government needs the services it pays for from public radio.

If you study the appropriations and what they're used for, it makes perfect sense.
 
Now, explain something to me: posters are saying Public Radio will be hurt if Tax Dollars are pulled. This has been indicated many times in these 11 pages of comments. Listener-in says 'the already minimal funding'.

So here's what I understand: Commercial broadcasters are bad. They are obsessed with greed (from my commercial radio experience, the dedicated are fewer than the maximize profits at any costs owners). Thus, Public Raadio would vanish because Public Radio reflects listener desires but commercial radio is a format to provide the best venue for advertising. Public Radio gets VERY few tax dollars but is in such horrible shape that if this minimal 'government funding' vanishes, Public Radio with shrivel up and die.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just looking for truth, fact, logic. It seems to me if Government Dollars are 'minimal', Public Radio can survive just fine without it. Sure, some little stations might suffer but would others come to their aid? If Public Radio is in such a condition it is standing on the edge of the cliff of financial collapse and losing its balance, then something is seriously wrong with Public Radio. Something is not working as it should and we need to center on building the health of Public Radio through innovation and thinking outside the box. And, I'd trust a few commercial station owners to pull off Public Radio. These are the few old school broadcasters who, in my opinion, rightly believe that providing superior content brings listeners and those listeners provide the 'results' the advertisers need to justify spending their dollars with that station. It's the same philosophy as McClendon had. To him, great programming was the train engine and the train cars were the advertisers that would hitch themselves to the engine (programming).
 
bturner said:
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just looking for truth, fact, logic.

You're looking for a one-size fits-all answer, and there is none. It's all case by case. But that's not how government works. You meet the criteria, you get the funds. Apply for any grant, and that's what it takes. Maybe you should apply for a government grant. Get Matthew Lesko's book. Just search his name. Even you could get a government grant. For something you probably do every day.
 
TheBigA said:
Get Matthew Lesko's book.

Whatever minimal shred of credibility you might have had (which wasn't much), that statement just destroyed what little was left.
 
TheBigA said:
drt said:
I give up! What is the other half of the equation?

The government needs the services it pays for from public radio.

If you study the appropriations and what they're used for, it makes perfect sense.

No, thanks. I call. You're bluffing. If you've got a hand, show it.
 
"'Useful,' and 'necessity' was always 'the tyrant's plea.'" - C.S. Lewis
 
TheBigA said:
MattParker said:
No, thanks. I call. You're bluffing. If you've got a hand, show it.

No bluff. Look it up yourself. If I present it, you'll question the source.

Probably but I would have a source to check. You have provided nothing I can search for which suggests there is nothing to search for.
 
MattParker said:
You have provided nothing I can search for which suggests there is nothing to search for.

And you have provided nothing that says public radio doesn't need federal money. Show me some station budgets with federal funds specified, and how they're used, and how those functions would be paid for otherwise. Then maybe we can begin. Because that's partly how CPB begins each year as they make their case to the various committees for continuing the appropriation. And the results show that they've been successful in demonstrating a need. You believe otherwise. Show me.
 
The Big A: Please take a gander at my previous post again. You are likely missing something or pulled my quote accidently. My question has nothing to do with your answer or what I interpreted as a sarcastic remark. The posters here claim:

1) Public Radio is successful
2) Public Radio will pretty much die without some government dollars.
3) Commercial Radio would never create a Public Radio format because their greed would take over.
I am paraphrasing the above.

What conclusions can I make from this:
1) Public Radio really doesn't need Government Funds because it is successful.
2) Public Radio does not work and has serious problems because they MUST have Government Funding to survive.
3) Commercial Radio, in the form of small group broadcaster, most likely, would give the Public Radio format a shot with commercials that would sound like Underwriting except for wording because the listener expects this sort of low key approach. The words might be "give them a call" versus "you may call". Granted, many broadcasters are really in it for just the money. A select group are in it for love of radio and a desire to contribute something positive to their community but rightly want to earn a good living.

I'm trying to figure all this out.

If Public Radio really must have government dollars, how can we build the infrastructure within Public Radio so that Public Radio could be self supporting? It is not an issue of if government dollars are provided or not. This is about increasing the health of Public Radio. Ideas?

If Public Radio is successful and doesn't really need Government Dollars, then ride the ride, smile and be happy there is some extra money floating around to help where it is needed.

I do have to ponder that with the crowded radio dial almost everywhere, why hasn't commercial radio tried the Public Radio format? Is it a lack of talent? A lack of desire to make such an investment in content? Is it that commercial operators do not see the format as successful? And another that might be more important than all of the above: They don't understand it.

It would seem that if Public Radio is pulling the numbers and the big market stations are generating millions and millions in revenue each year, commercial radio would be trying to grab a slice of the pie. Look at KUT in Austin, Texas in the last book. I know the NPR station here does better than most rated stations in their market...likely #5 or 6 in revenue. It seems in some markets Public Radio is hugely popular and financially sound. It would seem logical to me that somebody who has been fighting the good fight against a big boy operator but never getting the upper hand would jump at a piece of the Public Radio pie.

So, without politics, without talking government functions, without sarcasm, let's talk radio and find the truth and facts. Is Public Radio successful overall? Can Public Radio survive without government funds (some say it is tiny; others speak of doom & gloom if govenment dollars go away)? How can we help Public Radio become more successful or financially stable? Let's look for answers. Let's be the ones that think outside the box and bring new ideas forward that help. I feel we need to start at the truth and with the facts to begin. From what I've read here, there are some great brains at work. I'm always up for expanding my knowledge and being encouraged to expand my thought process.
 
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