Another HD radio killer - Avis offers wi-fi in rental cars.

[SUPERCASTER]

Mie Walker said:

"No-one wants HD radio". I DO! So do most of the people on this board, and others like it.

Judging from the heavy number of posts against HD, mediocre or downright bad revues, and comments, your statement (above) is dubious at best.

 

[dbdigital]

you fellows worry too much and fuss about things you can't do anything about.

Lighten up a little, enjoy life, have a girl friend if you so inclined or take up not so stressfull hobby. Radio will find its own way as time is the great equalizer. Take all this from 85 yr old man.

Enjoy, have a good time.

You have to understand that this is the HD-Radio spit and argue club. The "fun" of it is sharing opinions, an occasional fact or two and even tweaking a few noses.

I think we all know that nothing serious is going on here. We're sure not shaping public policy.

db

 

[R.F. Burns]

Mie Walker said:

"No-one wants HD radio". I DO! So do most of the people on this board, and others like it.

Judging from the heavy number of posts against HD, mediocre or downright bad revues, and comments, your statement (above) is dubious at best.

Heavy number of anti posts? Lets be real here. There are maybe 5 people who rale against IBOC and maybe another 5 who want to give it a chance. I wouldn't call that HEAVY in the scheme of things. The posting on this board do not reflect reality in any sense.

 

[JbeJay]

There are maybe 5 people who rale against IBOC and maybe another 5 who want to give it a chance. I wouldn't call that HEAVY in the scheme of things. The posting on this board do not reflect reality in any sense.

Yup. As the pollsters would say, "Sample size not large enough for meaningful conclusions."

(But the two sides certainly seem to enjoy shouting past each other rather than discussing anything.)

 

[Tom Wells]

Mie Walker said:

"No-one wants HD radio". I DO! So do most of the people on this board, and others like it.

Judging from the heavy number of posts against HD, mediocre or downright bad revues, and comments, your statement (above) is dubious at best.

Heavy number of anti posts? Lets be real here. There are maybe 5 people who rale against IBOC and maybe another 5 who want to give it a chance. I wouldn't call that HEAVY in the scheme of things. The posting on this board do not reflect reality in any sense.

I have most fair and forthright, and still find little engagement regarding the "contentious issues" in the AM version.
I hope I am not easily categorized, though I am anti-HD for AM and neutral on the FM HD.

I know ibiquity is free to ignore the very real critcisms, having gotten a pass from the FCC, but the total lack of any
spokesperson to answer the very real concerns here is at a minimum bad PR, and to me, professionally obnoxious.

I thank RF and Mike Walker for trying support what they believe in, and we find points to agree on.

However, they are no more RF engineers than I am a investment banker.
If either of you have indeed studied RF engineering design and/or built/ designed w/RF I apologize.
I studied it, went to school for it, and have used it daily, though my current employment is not in the field.

I would appreciate response from an engineer who can discuss the points of contention regarding the AM HD.
If you know of such a person, please invite them to participate in this dicussion.
We need less eye poking here. It gains little.

 

[radiopilot]

Mie Walker said:

"No-one wants HD radio". I DO! So do most of the people on this board, and others like it.

Judging from the heavy number of posts against HD, mediocre or downright bad revues, and comments, your statement (above) is dubious at best.

Heavy number of anti posts? Lets be real here. There are maybe 5 people who rale against IBOC and maybe another 5 who want to give it a chance. I wouldn't call that HEAVY in the scheme of things. The posting on this board do not reflect reality in any sense.

I have most fair and forthright, and still find little engagement regarding the "contentious issues" in the AM version.
I hope I am not easily categorized, though I am anti-HD for AM and neutral on the FM HD.

I know ibiquity is free to ignore the very real critcisms, having gotten a pass from the FCC, but the total lack of any
spokesperson to answer the very real concerns here is at a minimum bad PR, and to me, professionally obnoxious.

I thank RF and Mike Walker for trying support what they believe in, and we find points to agree on.

However, they are no more RF engineers than I am a investment banker.
If either of you have indeed studied RF engineering design and/or built/ designed w/RF I apologize.
I studied it, went to school for it, and have used it daily, though my current employment is not in the field.

I would appreciate response from an engineer who can discuss the points of contention regarding the AM HD.
If you know of such a person, please invite them to participate in this dicussion.
We need less eye poking here. It gains little.

I've invited Brian Beezley of FM Tuners to come on these boards to dispute these pro-HD guys. He's an accomplished RF engineer well versed on FM and AM and does testing of tuners for the electronics industry and even has tested the Sangean HDT-1, and the HDT-1X tuner...

He's got issues as well for HD and if we can get him to come here and sort out some issues.. of course he runs the FM Tuner website and perhaps does not have the time to foment words and wisdom with the likes of RFBurns, Mike and the other guy Clouseau.


HD Radio = 15 years too late
HD Radio = NON-EXISTANT to consumers

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Wouldn't that be great...an "accomplished RF engineer", as opposed to the morons who created a working, multicast digital system. Wait...could morons REALLY have done that? The good engineers CREATE NEW TECHNOLOGY. The bad ones criticize.

That doesn't mean that all new technology is good. Some of it sucks like a Hoover. But if you're "an accomplished RF engineer", and aren't working on radio's conversion to a digital future, then by definition YOU ARE OF THE PAST, and forgive us, but many here don't give a crap what you have to say. HD has been adopted as a standard by the FCC. The (useful) debate is over.

As for the title of this thread, with all these "HD Killers", how come it ain't dead. One real "killer" living up to the name should be all it takes.

 

[radiopilot]

Wouldn't that be great...an "accomplished RF engineer", as opposed to the morons who created a working, multicast digital system. Wait...could morons REALLY have done that? The good engineers CREATE NEW TECHNOLOGY. The bad ones criticize.

That doesn't mean that all new technology is good. Some of it sucks like a Hoover. But if you're "an accomplished RF engineer", and aren't working on radio's conversion to a digital future, then by definition YOU ARE OF THE PAST, and forgive us, but many here don't give a crap what you have to say. HD has been adopted as a standard by the FCC. The (useful) debate is over.

As for the title of this thread, with all these "HD Killers", how come it ain't dead. One real "killer" living up to the name should be all it takes.

If the debate id OVER AND DONE WITH as you say, why do you contuinue to reply to posts by PocektRadio, myself or others... If the FCC has already 'cast in stone' the final digital rules for HD radio is there a need to engage any of us?

The reason you have to defend HD radio is because you know that in reality it really is going nowhere and so you must defend it!

Yeah when I worked as a consultant to BOEING in Philly the Comanche helicopter was being fought heavily against it being cut by the Pentagon against Boeing's management and engineers working on it... guess what 4 billion dollars and 8 years of engineering down the drain... all we could salvage was the technology for other programs... I'm sure there are and still is alot of defenders for that Comanche helicoptor program!

HD radio going nowhere fast regardless of the number of stations converting or the number of products being produced if consumers don't need it and don't see a need to buy a new radio, yet they have no problem spending hundreds even up to thousands to buy mp3 players, laptops, video games, cellphones, and soon the IPHONE!


HD Radio = 15 years too late
HD Radio = NON-EXISTANT to consumers

Radiopilot

 

[calstymes]

Tom Wells reiterated:

I would appreciate response from an engineer who can discuss the points of contention regarding the AM HD.
If you know of such a person, please invite them to participate in this discussion.
We need less eye poking here. It gains little.

Where ARE the AM RF engineers who will be willing to come on here and discuss with us how good AM IBOC is and how it doesn't introduce any interference to the sidebands? I've been asking for this for awhile now.

Like Tom and many others on this message board, I would really appreciate hearing from just one of the experts in the trenches. I would have thought that R.F. Burns could find SOMEBODY, but according to him, none of his expert professional associates wants to come on to these message boards and speak with us peons.

I guess none of them want to say anything "on the record". This is understandable I guess, even if very disappointing.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Tom Wells reiterated:

I would appreciate response from an engineer who can discuss the points of contention regarding the AM HD.
If you know of such a person, please invite them to participate in this discussion.
We need less eye poking here. It gains little.

Where ARE the AM RF engineers who will be willing to come on here and discuss with us how good AM IBOC is and how it doesn't introduce any interference to the sidebands? I've been asking for this for awhile now.

Like Tom and many others on this message board, I would really appreciate hearing from just one of the experts in the trenches. I would have thought that R.F. Burns could find SOMEBODY, but according to him, none of his expert professional associates wants to come on to these message boards and speak with us peons.

I guess none of them want to say anything "on the record". This is understandable I guess, even if very disappointing.

If you truly sought an answer you would send an e-mail to Tom Ray at WOR and ask him to answer your concerns about the various issues you've brought up.


[email protected]


Tom is very straight forward and happy to answer questions. E-mail him and maybe let us know how your conversation goes.

 

[Mike Walker]

Why do I respond to silly people? To show just how silly their arguments are. What I come here for is to learn of the latest developments with the technology (there are many), latest products (there are many), latest formats (there are many), and share experiences with people who actually KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. Which is most folks here except for the ones I can count on the fingers of a single hand, who shout down everyone, and "relieve themselves" on every thread.

 

[radiopilot]

Why do I respond to silly people? To show just how silly their arguments are. What I come here for is to learn of the latest developments with the technology (there are many), latest products (there are many), latest formats (there are many), and share experiences with people who actually KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. Which is most folks here except for the ones I can count on the fingers of a single hand, who shout down everyone, and "relieve themselves" on every thread.

You've just described yourself Mike... Now can the REAL discussions commence PLEASE!

Thank you!

Radiopilot

 

[calstymes]

R.F. Burns chided:

If you truly sought an answer you would send an e-mail to Tom Ray at WOR and ask him to answer your concerns about the various issues you've brought up.

You sure you want me to do that? Well ok. If you insist. But don't get angry now. Just remember that YOU told me to do it!

Tom is very straight forward and happy to answer questions. E-mail him and maybe let us know how your conversation goes.

Maybe I will!

 

[R.F. Burns]

R.F. Burns chided:

If you truly sought an answer you would send an e-mail to Tom Ray at WOR and ask him to answer your concerns about the various issues you've brought up.

You sure you want me to do that? Well ok. If you insist. But don't get angry now. Just remember that YOU told me to do it!

Tom is very straight forward and happy to answer questions. E-mail him and maybe let us know how your conversation goes.

Maybe I will!

I don't know anything about you but I do know Tom and he's a great guy. Why not e-mail him and set something up. If you are honest with him he willl be honest with you. That's been my experience