Another in a long line of shameless puff pieces on HD radio in Radio World.

[KB1OKL]

I have no problems with the Hybrid Digital radio format. if you have RF issues then you need to moved the receiver into another room or get yourself a better antenna. I pleased with the HD100 disconnect the dipole antenna and connect the receiver to an 12 foot coaxial cable then to an male to male adapter and on the other end a C.Crane FM Reflective Antenna. I'm using an Terk AM Loop antenna both passive and amplified, no issues with picking up distance AM stations. I was able to pick up an AM station out of Dayton Ohio HD feed with the amplified AM antenna. I'm now listening to AM again since HD takes care of the the static.


One thing I can't stand is the Luddites that are against digital broadcasting of any kind. Digital broadcasting in radio and TV are ten time better than analog.

Why would I get a better antenna when ANALOG FM comes in fine here despite the noise? I couldn't care less about HD radio, it's a dead man walking. When I said I was going to keep the receiver it is not for it's HD capabilities, it is because it has DSP, by the time I move I expect HD to be a distant bad memory.
I easily get Saudi Arabia on 1521AM with a good analog receiver and a good antenna system but I can't get a 50 KW AM HD to lock in from less than 40 miles away although the buzzy whooshy sidebands go halfway across the country covering up adjacent channels including one prominent poster's station unless I jump through hoops, yup it's a great system all right if you like artificial synthetic highs and drop outs galore and white noise, AM HD sounds like krap and is creating much more noise in an already noisy band.

 

[willcail]

Well Savage I do defend my HD100 witch I paid full price of $99.99. I sorry that you can't be bother (or too much of a cheapskate) to buy decent radio antennas. I have no problem with picking up WAIS 770 AM a daytimer station using the Terk Amplified AM antenna and pick up that station static free with no HD AM interference. I can listen to Ed Schultz Re-Feed from 3-6PM. I Volunteer at WCRS LPFM and community radio station and I can pick up both frequencies at 102.1 FM (broadcast at 54 watts) and 98.3 FM (broadcast at 70 watts) with not interference with any FM HD radio stations. One of the local NPR stations in Columbus Ohio WCBE 90.5 FM is working on broadcasting in HD.

I'm making an generalization when I called people who post here Luddites. BTW Luddites are a reference to an 19 century movement against mechanized looms and the Industrial Revolution.

Plus I have a policy not to listen to any Junkies, for example Rush and his Oxycontin abuse.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

What, do you think this is 1927 and radio listeners will orient exotic antennas and find just the right regeneration spot on their Splitdorf TRF's twelve dials just so they can revel in the magic of hearing "Roxy's Gang" coming live from the NBC Blue NYC?

Here we the kind of self-deluding, out-of-touch attitude that has made HD Radio what it remains to this day. Which would be: a resounding flop.

On the one hand - HD radio folks tell us that DX'ing is dead - an outmoded concept that few people still engage in.

On the other hand - they expect people to employ DX techniques to listen to their stations.

Which way is it? Or do they intend to blast so much power on both bands that we can get free electricity with a large induction coil?

 

[Tom Wells]

Well Savage I do defend my HD100 witch I paid full price of $99.99. I sorry that you can't be bother (or too much of a cheapskate) to buy decent radio antennas. I have no problem with picking up WAIS 770 AM a daytimer station using the Terk Amplified AM antenna and pick up that station static free with no HD AM interference. I can listen to Ed Schultz Re-Feed from 3-6PM. I Volunteer at WCRS LPFM and community radio station and I can pick up both frequencies at 102.1 FM (broadcast at 54 watts) and 98.3 FM (broadcast at 70 watts) with not interference with any FM HD radio stations. One of the local NPR stations in Columbus Ohio WCBE 90.5 FM is working on broadcasting in HD.

I'm making an generalization when I called people who post here Luddites. BTW Luddites are a reference to an 19 century movement against mechanized looms and the Industrial Revolution.

Plus I have a policy not to listen to any Junkies, for example Rush and his Oxycontin abuse.

OK, it's static free, but how can you stand listening to the garbled, mechanical-sounding voices on AM HD?
With the low bitrate codec and the chorused-voice effect, I'd much rather hear static or other interference.
I'm proud to be a self-described luddite. I'll accept and gladly use a technology when it equals or surpasses the previous methods.
I'm not willing to take steps backward. HD AM radio, at its best, sounds worse than a home-built blooper one-tube regen receiver from 1930.
I've built more than a few of these, so I can speak from experience.
And HD AM causes far more detriment to reception of the primary signal than all the bloopers did back in 1930.
All HD radios are designed to make the analog stations sound worse than a old telephone landline, and perversely, they restrict bandwidth the MOST on the
strongest signals, destroying intelligibilty on the stations most likely to be listened to. Weaker analog signals decode with wider bandwidth.
This is to me, proof that ibiquity is intent on a destructive and poisonous technology.
And that's not even going into the destruction wreaked upon adjacent frequencies.
This aspect is most maddening to me, as I was taught in radio engineering school that you must NEVER EVER be responsible for permitting your signal to
cause damage to others sharing your frequency OR your adjacents. No way, no how, at no time, and you must immediately take any and all steps necessary
to stop such interference. To see a "mode" permitted that RELIES upon such wanton disrespect and willful interference is no different in my eyes than
permitting tresspass on private property and even encouraging such with official approval.
The FM has some issues, but as FM works more in line-of-sight mode, it is better suited to a hybrid solution.
AM MW is suited perfectly for analog application, and ignoring the nature of MW propogation is not going to ever make AM hybrid work properly.
With the 50 khz bandwidth of an HD signal, the very poor received result in HD cannot ever justify the use of so much bandwidth.

 

[Savage]

Nice job, willcail, in COMPLETELY missing (or avoiding) the salient points in my post. And...yes. Thank you. We all know who Ned Ludd was. As I dryly observed in a post here over a year ago, if HD engineers designed the mechanized looms in the Industrial Revolution, we'd all be wearing lime-green shiny clothing that shrinks 50% in the rain. (And we'd all be nude during nighttime hours.)

I'm not trying to deny you the delights of daisy-chaining hundreds of dollars worth of exotic (and widely unavailable) equipment to listen to AM daytimers. Have at it, God bless you and your HD100, and have fun.
Just don't expect any typical radio listener to do so. HD's proponents apparently think the norm more closely resembles your behavior than the reality of what's going on out there - namely, when HD isn't being ignored as "irrelevant and unneeded" by the general public, it's being returned to stores in overwhelming numbers because of underwhelming performance. If you think that makes us "Luddities..." ...well, enjoy twisting your connectors and twiddling your loops, and keep on calling us out of touch. Fine with me.

Oh, BTW - tell your fellow HD geeks to keep their freakin' octagonal sidebands off my carrier.

 

[Carmine5]

What, do you think this is 1927 and radio listeners will orient exotic antennas and find just the right regeneration spot on their Splitdorf TRF's twelve dials just so they can revel in the magic of hearing "Roxy's Gang" coming live from the NBC Blue NYC?

Here we the kind of self-deluding, out-of-touch attitude that has made HD Radio what it remains to this day. Which would be: a resounding flop.

On the one hand - HD radio folks tell us that DX'ing is dead - an outmoded concept that few people still engage in.

On the other hand - they expect people to employ DX techniques to listen to their stations.

Which way is it? Or do they intend to blast so much power on both bands that we can get free electricity with a large induction coil?

Visions of Laurel & Hardy in "Hog Wild" putting up their rooftop antenna so that 'Mrs. Hardy can get Japan' came to mind.

This is what HD Radio affectionados have been reduced to doing just to hear local radio in HD.

C5

 

[Tom Wells]

What, do you think this is 1927 and radio listeners will orient exotic antennas and find just the right regeneration spot on their Splitdorf TRF's twelve dials just so they can revel in the magic of hearing "Roxy's Gang" coming live from the NBC Blue NYC?

Here we the kind of self-deluding, out-of-touch attitude that has made HD Radio what it remains to this day. Which would be: a resounding flop.

On the one hand - HD radio folks tell us that DX'ing is dead - an outmoded concept that few people still engage in.

On the other hand - they expect people to employ DX techniques to listen to their stations.

Which way is it? Or do they intend to blast so much power on both bands that we can get free electricity with a large induction coil?

Visions of Laurel & Hardy in "Hog Wild" putting up their rooftop antenna so that 'Mrs. Hardy can get Japan' came to mind.

This is what HD Radio affectionados have been reduced to doing just to hear local radio in HD.

C5

Re: AM reception

At least the Hardys had a chance of getting Japan on what was likely a "clear channel".

Today in Chicago, I'd have a chance to hear two different "sports yap" stations, one news, and one news/talk if I pull the Accurian off the pile of sidelined curiosities.
I haven't bothered to turn it on in 5 or 6 months.
Oh, wait a minute...I never could get WMVP 1000 to decode in HD, even when I used the 1925 tunable loop-loose coupler.
I guess I could hear one sports yap, one news, or one news/talk. The Disney at 1300 never decoded either.