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ANY INTEREST IN PROVIDENCE MUSIC RADIO? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE?

Obviously talk radio fans have a tendency to be more vocal in this market but what would it take for people to get interested in the music stations again? I mean from the point of view of discussion like I see on other boards and in some cases even smaller markets.

PRO-FM: Really not a bad station but not a killer CHR by a long shot but other than mornings there's not a lot you can really talk about except dish Davey and complain about the night time voicetracking

COAST: What's to discuss? They target passive listeners, none of which read this board. They're background.

HJY: In spite of budget cuts they haven't suffered too much although nites are a letdown after Jaxon, Palmieri, and Q&C. Still rock isn't as exciting a format as it used to be and the music isn't selling. Are they a rock station appealing to a passive audience?

CTK: The country fans on this board do seem to like them

B101: Regardless of the music direction the station will never gain respect due to being non live and non local after 10AM.

Lite: They're a winning station but what can you really say?

Hot: Target audience doesn't post here

So what would it take to get you enthused about any of the above in terms of discussing it? I think the condition of a discussion board reflects the condition of the market.
 
McRadio....that's the thing, there really isn't anything currently or on the horizon to speak about for the music stations...pretty much status quo as it has been (at least formatwise) from 92.3 up to 107.9 save the different leans that are experienced with JZS (is that the calls) and with the state both CC and Citadel are in, other than somebody retiring or leaving for another market, there isn't going to be much to discuss on the jocks as they have been doing pretty much the same thing for a long time....CC needs to figure out what they want out of Coast & B101 (personally I do subscribe to the belief that they are biding time to flip 93.3 to FM talk and make B the Hot A/C station with a deeper playlist (kind of like PLJ out of NY) as they have been misused signals for a long time. There really isn't anything to get excited about
 
I see Talk Radio as being hard to replace.
But, look at music radio. Whether it's an I-pod, Sat Radio, or CD player, FM Music radio
is in a tough place.. I think thats it in a nut shell.
 
I listen to WCTK. That's about it & from the point of view of listening for format elements, excitement, etc it's WCTK again. Anything else at this point is a stop when I'm hitting "seek". I haven't made my mind up yet about keeping XM, but am tending towards it when my 3 month freebie is up as musically there isn't anything else I really want to hear & even the country channels are giving me a lot of variety from classic to today's hits to cross country. I will say, though, that if I were programming a terrestrial station I wouldn't be playing a lot of the music I hear on XM, but that doesn't mean I don't want to hear it. You have to separate your tastes from reality.

And Ted, I don't see B101 becoming the hot AC station. That can be done with Coast if they really want to. Musically I think B101 is doing what they should be doing.
 
Runrigger said:
And Ted, I don't see B101 becoming the hot AC station. That can be done with Coast if they really want to. Musically I think B101 is doing what they should be doing.

But they are almost there as it is already. I agree it wouldn't be a strict Hot A/C; but I see it more of a combination of PLJ and BOS (before the switch up there), especially if they move 93.3 to talk (which I don't see them too far away from-there seems to be very few local ad $$ on that station and I bet a lot of the national spots I hear are required for carrying Delilah. With Lite being the dominant A/C in the market, Pro being the dominant CHR and CC already looking at making switches/cutbacks countrywide, that is the station in the market cluster that could be the one thing that "music radio stations" in the market have coming as far as potential changes coming up....we talked for over a year and 1/2 about a flip at the Score, we could be in the same sort of timeline with Coast (and I am not wishing it on them, either....I would love to see Coast actually pick something other than a road between Pro & Lite and do something in the market; but I've been thinking about that for almost 20 years)
 
There is nothing Coast can ever do as any kind of an AC station that will make them successful. They have no heritage and are up against two Citadel stations that have a history. The only heritage Coast ever had was Jones and Joan and they screwed that one up by splitting them up then turning Joan on her own with a supporting cast that didn't support. Then the numbers weren't there and it was over. No one is ever going to get fed up with PRO-FM or LITE and move over to Coast. If anything people who grow out of PRO-FM will shift to LITE and the shift probably won't occur in morning drive anyway. Coast has a morning show they have no idea how to handle and the rest of the day they're just an uneventful station the average listener can't either love or hate. As far as flipping them, what is there that CCU would even need? CCU used to be dominant in this market at least in terms of personalities and good programming in spite of the monkey on their back WSNE has always been. They're a shadow of what they once were. Again there is nothing Coast can do but be there for whatever female numbers they pull in and those numbers (whatever they are) don't seem to be helping them in sales.
 
If Coast 93.3 WSNE wasn't making money for Clear Channel/Providence, they'd have already changed the format.

It may be a lousy format but if it didn't work for them, they wouldn't do it.

Gary Begin
Identity Programming Consultant
Jackson, TN
www.garybegin.com
 
Hey gang:

Music radio's deal in Providence, or Boston, or NYC, or LA...or wherever...is not necessarily the issue regarding the 'right' format or the 'right' lineup or the 'right' playlist.

Case in point: my own home rotation. Been in the process of selling my home over the past 6 months. The realtor loves having the computer rotation on my ITunes because it's my own customized format called Rhythm & Essence. It's got all the good stuff from the 50s to today from jazz, soul, r&b, gospel, ac, urban ac, CCM...a very calculated mix done up to have that 'ABC' sound every good station tried to mimic in the 60s and 70s that glued ears to music radio. (By ABC I mean the old WABC-New York and the record label). Every time he hears the rotation he will ask if it's a station or the computer and wants to know where he can find this great sound. Well, he's not the only one: friends who travel with me in the car, even friends who keep their IPods handy at various work places who have taken my 'playlist' along say folks just love the mix.

The reason? It's got what they remember, and what is fresh. The fresh is not what always gets the push from the industry, either; nor is it necessarily 'new'. One person I latched onto has never gotten airplay in the US (although she recorded an album here) but has gotten acclaim everywhere else: Tammi Chynn from Jamaica (get a copy of "Hyperventilating' and ask yourself where hit music stations missed the mark).

Anybody watch IMF on satellite (International Music Feed)? That's where I found her, and a powerhouse singer / songwriter Imogen Heap. Believe it or not, Imogen can be found playing in places all over America - but where, oh where, on ANY station??? She is singlehandedly winning listeners here and abroad, appearing on YouTube, IMF, my IPod and ITunes, and maybe even yours perhaps? 'Say Goodnight & Go' was the PERFECT 'light hits' tune; IMF had it, no one else did.

Rockers, thank IMF for Wolfmother - the Australian brand of hard edge rock that hasn't been heard on radio in a long time (from what I see they are getting more airplay now).

And don't get me started on the strong connection to audiences found in CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) which have been nearly silenced from the RI music scene; how can people who sell millions and millions of product not be heard in rotation? Is it that they are presumed 'Jesus Freaks' who would scare away listeners? Well, I've found the exact opposite to be true in live venues, some radio shows and in conversation with people. By the way, much of the CCM lyrics were not 'believe or go to hell' during the 80s and 90s; in fact that ABC sound was all over their brand and people like Bebe & Cece Winans, Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, the Newsboys, 4Him and other success stories have continued to keep and grow a loyal fan base.

There used to be a time when WE, the announcers and PDs, took the chance on artists and brought them to the masses. There was freedom to do that in the 60s and 70s. Today? Too many prognosticators are relying on some high paid guru that says 'this artist or that' will bring in the ratings. You can't get ratings without LISTENERS, and it is a cold fact that listeners do veer away from us on-air folk more than we'd like to admit; they're needing to hear things they know are good but we don't have the guts to play because our freedom to break an artist is long since departed from us. That's why we have Jones turning to 'listener review boards' to gage what audiences want, having lost all our instincts to break out good music and make them hits.

The thing I love about my Juke Box Gold show on WINY/Putnam CT (winyradio.com) is that freedom to bring back ALL of the good stuff from the 50s & 60s...not just the Beatles, Elvis or Aretha Franklin. I get into the hits that charted well and have been long cherished that we all heard back then...like Dave Brubeck (Take 5), Marty Robbins (El Paso), Andy Williams (Can't Get Used To Losing You), Hugo Winterhalter & His Orchestra (Canadian Sunset)...this was great radio, when Rock mingled with standards and jazz and country and balladeers and orchestras to produce radio which to this day is unforgettable, cherished, and just plain WOW; it's modeled after WADK, WEAN, WGNG, WICE, WJAR, WSAR, WKFD, WWON, WNBC, WRKO, WBZ, WBSM, WMYS, WARV, PRO-FM and JB105...you know, all the stations that played music back in the day with each distinguishing themselves just a bit by the artists they featured and the jocks we loved. That was my youth, the reason why I got into the business and why I love it today.

Music is quite segregated now. That hurts stations and offends listeners. Music is very repetitive now, too cautious to take a risk that blending formats may actually work (yes, it's true that country and jazz and urban crossovers exist, but is it what we remember from the heyday of radio?) WJZS is at least reminding us of the hits we remember in our youth again, many of which I've heard for the first time in some 30 years. Maybe in time they will discover that a blended smooth jazz / easy album mix could be the ticket to get them solid audience share, and folks like myself could be easily swayed to stay longer.

Our saving grace is the very thing the industry fights too much: the internet. Artists are flocking there for creative license and opportunity to make new and better music is arising. Again, kudos to IMF too for being the best outlet for breaking out talent worldwide that the other sources are way too behind the curve to recognize.

Ok, now, Bill is off the soapbox.

-Bill Alley, JUKE BOX GOLD
 
uncleDJ said:
And don't get me started on the strong connection to audiences found in CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) which have been nearly silenced from the RI music scene; how can people who sell millions and millions of product not be heard in rotation? Is it that they are presumed 'Jesus Freaks' who would scare away listeners? Well, I've found the exact opposite to be true in live venues, some radio shows and in conversation with people. By the way, much of the CCM lyrics were not 'believe or go to hell' during the 80s and 90s; in fact that ABC sound was all over their brand and people like Bebe & Cece Winans, Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, the Newsboys, 4Him and other success stories have continued to keep and grow a loyal fan base.

Couldn't agree more about music and music formats being so highly restricted and segregated.

Picking up on your example of CCM......The situation is so bad that anyone in this market who acutally wants to hear CCM over the air is forced to tune in to the one or two brokered-time programs on 1320 WARL that feature such music......soooooo sad. :(
 
IdentityProgramming said:
If Coast 93.3 WSNE wasn't making money for Clear Channel/Providence, they'd have already changed the format.

It may be a lousy format but if it didn't work for them, they wouldn't do it.

Gary Begin
Identity Programming Consultant
Jackson, TN
www.garybegin.com

But using that argument there isn't a station in the country not making good money just because they haven't flipped
 
To all who have posted so far...

Maybe it's easier to hire an outside consultant than to ask Providence listeners the types of music they 'd enjoy? ::)

I think the reason ipods and satellite radio stations are so popular EVERYWHERE...is the fact that they offer music programming that's different from the average AM or FM band?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Talk Radio Formats....but every now and then, the conversation about high gas prices, our poor economy, unemployment and how the government is mismanaging our money can get a little STALE! :-[

argytunes
 
Any interest in Providence music radio you ask? For me, not much at all. I listen to mostly Boston stations, when I'm in the car. When I'm online it's great because I can listen to any station in the country or any music I like. But as far as Providence radio I also do enjoy the talk shows on 630 WPRO. Compared to the Boston stations, Providence radio lacks the variety. Oldies 103.3 is far better than B101. Coast 93.3 sounds like 92 PRO FM and Lite Rock 105 combined, so I don't even bother with it. 92 PRO FM sounds pretty good and Lite Rock 105 has good variety. Even though I am not much in rap, Jam'n 94.5 sounds better than Hot 106, and Hot 106's signal is a complete joke. I can't even get it in any of my portable radios where I live in Johnston, near the Providence border, but I can get Jam'n pretty well. Magic 106.7 and Easy 99.1 play much of the same music as Lite Rock 105. 105.7 has great djs and Loren and Wally, but plays much of the same music as B101. The only time I listened more to B101 was was when Oldies 103.3 and 105.7 WROR went all Christmas on Veterans Day last year. Christmas music is nice but come on-Veterans Day? Will it be Halloween next year? ::)
 
XM Jay. For less than the price of CD a month it's worth it. You'll hear your classic country (I heard Dropkick Me Jesus this week), your oldies, your classic soul. Morning drive for local content & personalities, then XM. Time to spoil yourself.
 
For the most part, the music stations in Providence are cookie-cutter stations that are playing only what is popular nationwide. I'd love to see 93.3 Coast FM challenge PRO-FM a bit more, but instead they seem content to be similar sounding to Lite Rock 105. PRO-FM itself, while it has a good morning show, lacks the jock delivery and the desire to be ahead of the curve on breaking new music. Songs appear on Kiss 108 several weeks before on PRO-FM. HJY, which was once a great station, is now lackluster, relying on overplayed classic rock songs with only some newer (I didn't say "NEW") songs thrown in, so they can at least call themselves a mainstream rocker. B101 just seems to be all over the place and is voicetracked almost all the time now. I guess that's what happens when a corporation like Clear Channel owns half the market. At least in Boston, Clear Channel owns only 2 FM music stations and a lot more effort is put into the musical presentation and air talent.

In my opinion, the only good music stations left in Providence are WBRU and WCTK, and even CTK is technically from New Bedford. Sad...

Jacko
 
Jacko said:
In my opinion, the only good music stations left in Providence are WBRU and WCTK, and even CTK is technically from New Bedford. Sad...

Jacko

TIRED RADIO /i] isn't exclusive to the Providence, RI market!

It's EVERYWHERE!

The words: "It's Cheaper" have taken the #1 position on BILLBOARDS TOP 100....over "Our programming is good" or "Our programming is CREATIVE!" :eek:

argytunes
 
In a way folks, it's a shame the stations down here (New London/Norwich) don't hit the Providence market better...well, other than Newport/Westerly. The music may not be that much different (with asterisks I'll add later) but the approach is quite striking.

There lacks in most of RI radio the 'touch and feel' audiences seem to need; the sense I got before I left and even today is that 'anticeptic' feeling that they broadcast and pretty much like being away from the people that listen. Yeah, they may do an appearance here, a fundraiser there, but not since the JB105 days do I find many, if any, really connecting with their audience on a daily basis.

Stations in NL/Norwich do...they have to...to survive. Hall Communications and Citadel have been making strides to keep the pulse of the area going for years now and some of their accomplishments include:
*WKNL (KOOL 101 FM) for keeping OLDIES, the name, the expanded playlist, etc. alive. Unashamedly. Good, solid station here. (Your True Oldies 790 counterpart is not bad but still needs to get its act together and should bring back more live local talent!)
*WBMW 106.5, not your typical softrock in some dayparts and weekends...and Theresa Barry is one remarkable person and announcer.
*a little further north, WINY 1350AM/Putnam is still doing live, local, music & more radio (though they do link up during off hours and nights) and has carved out a strong niche in south central NE for those who like the programs and banter)
*WICH 1310AM for preserving some great local personalities for talk and music 'standards'
*WXLM-FM 104.7 for successfully bringing conservative news/talk to the area (although they should have never switched off their 102.3 dial position, that's another topic) - by the way big kudos to 920/WHJJ for making the right move when 'PRO sabotaged themselves...

Lastly, I know my earlier comment on 99.3 WJZS was 'let them be' so they could find themselves...and I must admit right now they're sounding like a lackluster acid trip...but there could be reasons for this...I would love to see them restore their jazz flavor and give it a twist of soul, gospel, r&b...and if they want I've got just the format for them. Still, if they win with this new format then so be it...no one else is touching most of their playlist these days.
 
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