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Anybody know about KDUP and KVYA in Cedarville?
- Thread starter bturner
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I was wondering the same thing. How in the heck can a radio station in a town of about 150 persons -- or less -- make any money at all ?? Not to even consider that there is still an application for another Non-Com channel and a commercial FM CP. What gives. Does everyone in town carry a portable FM radio??
The station does have a website and they do stream. I don't know if their stream is their 'on air' signal. The stream is back up today.
Here's what else is interesting: they have KVYA FM in the town as well and they operate KLAP in Gerlack.
I noted applications for a commercial FM and another non-commercial FM. With all the 'dances' that happen in radio, an application means nothing. It could very well be the commercial FM will move elsewhere and so might the non-comm.
From what I can figure, KDUP, now at 1,000 watts, likely reaches 1,000 or so people while their old site seems to be what was KDUP prior to the upgrade, maybe reaching 500 people.
From online listening, they play all kinds of stuff from easy listening to classic country, real cowboy music, oldies, classic rock and other assorted styles with an emphasis on the more country tinged material.
They have some underwriting. There is seemingly no newspaper in town to take ad dollars, so it would be very interesting to know how they do selling underwriting and how much they charge.
I'd love to know what KVYA sounds like. No website or streaming on this co-owned station.
I guess my big question is: Are KDUP, KVYA and KLAP able to pay their operations cost? I'm sure it is more a labor of love but I sure would love to know more.
It's seems KDUP had some very humble beginnings and must be doing better now with the power increase. I would not say it's some wealthy guy's hobby but more along the lines of a radio guy who feels the need to serve his community.
I've called the station, left a message and I've emailed but no response.
Here's what else is interesting: they have KVYA FM in the town as well and they operate KLAP in Gerlack.
I noted applications for a commercial FM and another non-commercial FM. With all the 'dances' that happen in radio, an application means nothing. It could very well be the commercial FM will move elsewhere and so might the non-comm.
From what I can figure, KDUP, now at 1,000 watts, likely reaches 1,000 or so people while their old site seems to be what was KDUP prior to the upgrade, maybe reaching 500 people.
From online listening, they play all kinds of stuff from easy listening to classic country, real cowboy music, oldies, classic rock and other assorted styles with an emphasis on the more country tinged material.
They have some underwriting. There is seemingly no newspaper in town to take ad dollars, so it would be very interesting to know how they do selling underwriting and how much they charge.
I'd love to know what KVYA sounds like. No website or streaming on this co-owned station.
I guess my big question is: Are KDUP, KVYA and KLAP able to pay their operations cost? I'm sure it is more a labor of love but I sure would love to know more.
It's seems KDUP had some very humble beginnings and must be doing better now with the power increase. I would not say it's some wealthy guy's hobby but more along the lines of a radio guy who feels the need to serve his community.
I've called the station, left a message and I've emailed but no response.
I have learned a little about KDUP.
KDUP is one of 3 stations that is a labor of love for Open Sky Radio. The other two are KVYA in Cedarville and KLAP in Gerlach.
KDUP is a mostly a mix of music ranging from classic rock to MOR to country and a nice seasoning of authentic cowboy music (the current material) that likely works very well for the area. There's a couple of other volunteer shows.
KLAP is musically much like KDUP but separately operated.
KDUP, and perhaps KLAP run a 30 minute BBC News block in the morning and evening as well as a few short features.
KVYA is Spanish language programmed.
Some in radio might bawk at the lack of liners on the station but I remind everyone there are only, say 600 to 700 people in KDUP's listening area. People know what they are listening to and are not walking around with with Personal People Meters and Diaries in this otherwise starved radio market.
This is radio for the love of radio. It operates because of the operator's desire to serve his community and continues to operate because the operator chooses to give. We certainly need much, much more of this in the business. In my book, this is the sort of operator that should be the Broadcaster of the Year, someone willing to tether himself to not one, but three stations in the name of serving.
To offer a bit more information: KDUP began at the current site of KVYA. KDUP was able to upgrade to serve more of the Suprise Valley at a different site. The old site was used to apply for KVYA to serve those who prefer Spanish language entertainment. KLAP in in Gerlach, Nevada, the starting point for most attending Burning Man. It seems a second non-commercial station is either on or perhaps coming on the air in Gerlach as well. This is rather amazing as the market served in likely only about 400 people but obviously Burning Man's annual event adds much of the allure to the area.
KDUP does stream as does KLAP, so you can hear the stations. Both offer an option to donate a $5 'chit' to help pay for the station. Considering the cost to stream, helping to offset that cost is not a bad idea in my mind since I'm sure funding is very, very limited. These stations are not getting tax dollars and grants to pay the bills. I have noticed them up one day and down the next, an issue likely caused by the ISP trying to serve an isolated community where terrain and weather can have an adverse affect on normal operations.
There is a CP for a commercial FM in Cedarville. Since these are 'sold' at auction by FCC to the highest bidderr I suspect a saavy engineer found this and has the intent of moving the CP to an area with greater population. Since auction prices are 'set' by population served, it can be a low entry price in commercial radio. As I've been told by engineers, get anything, then expand from there. I suspect the commercial FM in Cedarville will not be built as planned unless the CP is about to expire. If I were these guys I'd be trying to move the station or at least increase power.
Anything else on the Cedarville radio dial is limited to translators although one site says the AM station from the county seat makes it over thhe mountains to the Surpise Valley.
Market size for KDUP: about 600-700 people; KVYA: maybe 300 or so in the 60 dbu; KLAP about the same as KVYA. I think there are about 30 businesses in Cedarville. In Gerlach that number is far, far fewer, perhaps under 10. So, in all, possibly up to 40 businesses might be the universe for obtaining underwriting and about 1,000 potential listeners to draw an audience from for the three stations. If Public Radio figures are right, about 1 in 10 listeners will support their station.
KDUP is one of 3 stations that is a labor of love for Open Sky Radio. The other two are KVYA in Cedarville and KLAP in Gerlach.
KDUP is a mostly a mix of music ranging from classic rock to MOR to country and a nice seasoning of authentic cowboy music (the current material) that likely works very well for the area. There's a couple of other volunteer shows.
KLAP is musically much like KDUP but separately operated.
KDUP, and perhaps KLAP run a 30 minute BBC News block in the morning and evening as well as a few short features.
KVYA is Spanish language programmed.
Some in radio might bawk at the lack of liners on the station but I remind everyone there are only, say 600 to 700 people in KDUP's listening area. People know what they are listening to and are not walking around with with Personal People Meters and Diaries in this otherwise starved radio market.
This is radio for the love of radio. It operates because of the operator's desire to serve his community and continues to operate because the operator chooses to give. We certainly need much, much more of this in the business. In my book, this is the sort of operator that should be the Broadcaster of the Year, someone willing to tether himself to not one, but three stations in the name of serving.
To offer a bit more information: KDUP began at the current site of KVYA. KDUP was able to upgrade to serve more of the Suprise Valley at a different site. The old site was used to apply for KVYA to serve those who prefer Spanish language entertainment. KLAP in in Gerlach, Nevada, the starting point for most attending Burning Man. It seems a second non-commercial station is either on or perhaps coming on the air in Gerlach as well. This is rather amazing as the market served in likely only about 400 people but obviously Burning Man's annual event adds much of the allure to the area.
KDUP does stream as does KLAP, so you can hear the stations. Both offer an option to donate a $5 'chit' to help pay for the station. Considering the cost to stream, helping to offset that cost is not a bad idea in my mind since I'm sure funding is very, very limited. These stations are not getting tax dollars and grants to pay the bills. I have noticed them up one day and down the next, an issue likely caused by the ISP trying to serve an isolated community where terrain and weather can have an adverse affect on normal operations.
There is a CP for a commercial FM in Cedarville. Since these are 'sold' at auction by FCC to the highest bidderr I suspect a saavy engineer found this and has the intent of moving the CP to an area with greater population. Since auction prices are 'set' by population served, it can be a low entry price in commercial radio. As I've been told by engineers, get anything, then expand from there. I suspect the commercial FM in Cedarville will not be built as planned unless the CP is about to expire. If I were these guys I'd be trying to move the station or at least increase power.
Anything else on the Cedarville radio dial is limited to translators although one site says the AM station from the county seat makes it over thhe mountains to the Surpise Valley.
Market size for KDUP: about 600-700 people; KVYA: maybe 300 or so in the 60 dbu; KLAP about the same as KVYA. I think there are about 30 businesses in Cedarville. In Gerlach that number is far, far fewer, perhaps under 10. So, in all, possibly up to 40 businesses might be the universe for obtaining underwriting and about 1,000 potential listeners to draw an audience from for the three stations. If Public Radio figures are right, about 1 in 10 listeners will support their station.
The only place that the Cederville Commercial FM on 95.5 move -- is to the Dunsmuir - Mount Shasta area. That is the only place it could move to. Alturas needs another radio station like it needs zoombies or vampires.
Have you ever been to Cedarville or to Gerlach? Talk about being in the middle of nowhere! But put an FM station's transmitter on the top of the mountain overlooking Cedarville to the east and Alturas to the west and you'd cover some very empty space with a very nice signal!
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