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Are Cell Phones the Future of Radio ?

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SayNoToIBOC

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Besides iPods and Satellite and Wi-Fi Radio, another serious competitor to HD Radio:

1) "Is Your Cell Phone the Future of Radio"

http://radio.about.com/cs/radiohistory/a/aa040703a.htm

2) "Motorola's iRadio For Mobile Phones Debuts With 435 Channels"

http://radio.about.com/od/pdasipodscellphones/a/aa010406a.htm

3) "Verizon's Chocolate Cell Phone Challenges iPod"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/126605-1/article.html

4) "Some Sirius Competition"

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/technology/radio_cellphone/index.htm

5) "Podcasts, Internet radio come to Sprint phones"

http://news.com.com/Podcasts,+Internet+radio+come+to+Sprint+phones/2100-1027_3-5869836.html
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Besides iPods and Satellite and Wi-Fi Radio, another serious competitor to HD Radio:
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The only potentially serious competion for radio is the Motorola WiMax system, which is years away. And which will have considerable broadcaster involvement in populating the channels.

On the other hand, the talk about radio declining is mostly fiction and exaggeration:

"Radio listening levels remain very robust. Sometimes we make too much of modest decreases."
In fact Entercom CEO David Field (who said that) and Bear Stearns' Victor Miller batted a scenario back and forth on the Entercom call that everybody should pay attention to - that listening is actually up in half of the top 24 markets. Details in today's Inside Radio.
 
Motorola Rolls Out iRadio Service(435 COMERCIAL-FREE radio channels, for $7.00/month)

http://billboardradiomonitor.com/ra...article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001773126
http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=131858&pt=todaysnews

1) People want the freedom to choose instead of a one-size-fits-all approach. Podcasting, internet radio, and satellite radio give you plenty of options to choose from; terrestrial AM/FM/SW broadcasting offer many fewer options and insist on jamming them full of advertising as well. That's terrestrial radio's problem in a nutshell.

2) If you think terrestrial radio has problems now with satellite radio, just wait until the cellphonecasting revolution really takes hold over the next couple of years.

3) "Only 1% Of 18-64-Year-Olds Say HD Radio Provides More Stations Or Programming Choices"

http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=9145

4) Consumers don't need to be "educated" about HD Radio; consumers need compelling reasons why they should prefer IBOC/HD radio over new media platforms such as satellite radio, iPods, Wi-Fi Radio, and cell phones - stop assuming people will automatically want IBOC/HD once they know what it is.

5) There is no way, IBOC/HD multicasting or not, that terrestrial radio could ever deliver the programming options satellite radio can. No way; there simply isn't enough bandwidth.

6) It seems as if everyone knows about satellite radio, or at least they know Howard Stern is moving to satellite, but how many of your non-radio industry friends have ever heard of IBOC/HD radio?

7) HD/IBOC radios need to be priced near analog AM/FM radios ($25 - $50), before the middle of 2006, if HD Radio is going to make up the ground terrestrial broadcasters are losing to satellite radio, and to fight off looming competition from cellphonecasting. This will never happen.

8. Radio is a content business, not a technology one, but a lot of terrestrial AM/FM broadcasters refuse to believe that.

9) "Exploding the momentum myth of HD radio"

http://www.hear2.com/2005/11/exploding_the_m.html

10) Take a look at the negative reviews of the HD Receptor on Amazon (note: lack of reception and audio quality).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...819890-5649566?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics
 
I've been saying this for years. Who would want to be limited to a few dozen local stations, or a couple of hundred satellite channels, when they can get streams from thousands of stations over the cell phone network? As long as sound quality is reasonable, and in stereo - local stations do not have a chance to compete when this happens - unless they are the BEST of their format in the world. Every station in the country if not the world will compete globally within their niche. And - niche formats previously unprofitable in one location will draw on a global audience. So diversity will increase dramatically. Good for listeners - SCARY for owners! Copy cat formats, formulas will be a thing of the past.
 
Absolutely ! When I talked with a salesman at Radio Shack yesterday, he said there is very little interest in HD radios (they don't even carry them in stock in his store, yet). As a matter of fact, Radio Shack's move is away from traditional terrestrial radio (including, shortwave), because they get a cut (a continuing revenue stream), for signing on Cingular cell phone customers. He stated, that with the huge discounts to cell phones, for signing on to their service, is sacrificed, because of the long-term revenue stream from subscriptions. And, what does one see first thing, when walking into Radio Shack - a huge display for Cingular Wireless (same thing, at Best Buy cellular services). Also, as part of an add-on package, Cingular provides access to 80 radio channels. The sound quality of Internet Radio is better than Satellite Radio, because the bit-rate is higher - the bit rate is in the mega-bits, but for HD Radio, it is in the kilo-bits.

As to the claim, that there is a lack of English speaking Internet radio stations, for Wi-Fi/cellular:

http://www.internetmusiclist.com/radios/music.asp?L=English&music
 
>Absolutely ! When I talked with a salesman at Radio Shack yesterday, he said there is very little interest in HD radios (they don't even carry them in stock in his store, yet).

--> Why owuld there be interest or stock? The consumer roll out just started less than 100 hours ago. Radio Shack announced that they would be stocking in September, by the way. And asking a Radio Shack employee about anything more ocmplex than a battery is pretty useless.

> As a matter of fact, Radio Shack's move is away from traditional terrestrial radio (including, shortwave), because they get a cut (a continuing revenue stream), for signing on Cingular cell phone customers.

---> Funny, but it says Spring on all the RS locations I have driven past. Anyway, RS announced that they will carry several HD radios in September, so this is another of your non-facts.
 
David Eduardo wrote, from a previous post: "The only potentially serious competion for radio is the Motorola WiMax system, which is years away. And which will have considerable broadcaster involvement in populating the channels."

My reply, from a previous post: "Motorola Rolls Out iRadio Service (435 COMMERCIAL-FREE radio channels, for $7.00/month)". Also, as I stated, Cingular offers 80 Internet radio stations.

David Eduardo stated, from a previous post: There are very few English speaking Internet radio stations, outside of the United States.

I replied with, from a previous post:

http://www.internetmusiclist.com/radios/music.asp?L=English&music

I stated, from a previous post: "they don't even carry them in stock in his store, yet."

David's response: " Funny, but it says Spring on all the RS locations I have driven past. Anyway, RS announced that they will carry several HD radios in September, so this is another of your non-facts."

The RS saleman stated, that they will be carrying on HD radio - the Receptor HD.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
David Eduardo wrote, from a previous post: "The only potentially serious competion for radio is the Motorola WiMax system, which is years away. And which will have considerable broadcaster involvement in populating the channels."

My reply, from a previous post: "Motorola Rolls Out iRadio Service (435 COMMERCIAL-FREE radio channels, for $7.00/month)". Also, as I stated, Cingular offers 80 Internet radio stations.
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The Clearwire system is not operating. It will not be built out for several years, at best. I posted news items showing it was still in development and the financing stage. It requires billions of dollars in infrastructure.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Motorola Rolls Out iRadio Service(435 COMERCIAL-FREE radio channels, for $7.00/month)

http://billboardradiomonitor.com/ra...article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001773126
http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=131858&pt=todaysnews

1) People want the freedom to choose instead of a one-size-fits-all approach. Podcasting, internet radio, and satellite radio give you plenty of options to choose from; terrestrial AM/FM/SW broadcasting offer many fewer options and insist on jamming them full of advertising as well. That's terrestrial radio's problem in a nutshell.

2) If you think terrestrial radio has problems now with satellite radio, just wait until the cellphonecasting revolution really takes hold over the next couple of years.

3) "Only 1% Of 18-64-Year-Olds Say HD Radio Provides More Stations Or Programming Choices"

http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=9145

4) Consumers don't need to be "educated" about HD Radio; consumers need compelling reasons why they should prefer IBOC/HD radio over new media platforms such as satellite radio, iPods, Wi-Fi Radio, and cell phones - stop assuming people will automatically want IBOC/HD once they know what it is.

5) There is no way, IBOC/HD multicasting or not, that terrestrial radio could ever deliver the programming options satellite radio can. No way; there simply isn't enough bandwidth.

6) It seems as if everyone knows about satellite radio, or at least they know Howard Stern is moving to satellite, but how many of your non-radio industry friends have ever heard of IBOC/HD radio?

7) HD/IBOC radios need to be priced near analog AM/FM radios ($25 - $50), before the middle of 2006, if HD Radio is going to make up the ground terrestrial broadcasters are losing to satellite radio, and to fight off looming competition from cellphonecasting. This will never happen.

8. Radio is a content business, not a technology one, but a lot of terrestrial AM/FM broadcasters refuse to believe that.

9) "Exploding the momentum myth of HD radio"

http://www.hear2.com/2005/11/exploding_the_m.html

10) Take a look at the negative reviews of the HD Receptor on Amazon (note: lack of reception and audio quality).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...819890-5649566?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics
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You must be well connected. To be able to tell us what all Americans want and don't want, without a shred of real fact to back it up. Here's some I made up:

1. All Americans want HD radio. They'll realize it once they try it.
2. Nobody at all cares about DX'ing. People want to hear their local stations. If they can't hear the station from BFE, it's no loss.
3. Anyone who hates IBOC without really knowing anything about it is uneducated.

See- I can do bullet points too. Plus I can say mine are real and yours aren't. Heck if you can do it, so can I!

Looks like you're losing traction.

Slow down. It's hard to keep up with your thousands of hate posts. We'll let you catch your breath for round 2!
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
From RWOnline.com:

"iRadio to Crowd Radio in the Dash"

Yea David, like you didn't know about this !
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Many cars already have iPod connectors. Nothing new. Move on.

Many have Bluetooth. Mine does. Cars will have the capacity to make mobile use of all kinds of devices, from phones to iPods. They will also have satellite-ready electronics (mine does) for those who want it, and radios with HD. Golly, they may even have CD players!
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
David Eduardo replied, from a previous post: "The only potentially serious competion for radio is the Motorola WiMax system, which is years away. And which will have considerable broadcaster involvement in populating the channels."

Years away - try Spring 2006, and it's the same price, as a Receptor HD !

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/motorola_e2_rokr_iradio_cell_phone.html
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html
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The rokr phone, which has had horrible sales, is not the Intel/McCaw/Motorola Clearwire system. This is just a phone with an Internet connection and limited song storage. Clearwire is several years away, as I said.

If you do not understand the difference between an Internet enabled phone and Clearwire, do some reading before you barf up this crap again.

An EVDO phone is not a pleasently enjoyable way to access the Internet for either streaming (don't do it while moving) or browsing the web (can you say slooooooow?) and the service is very spotty nationally, with even some big meteros totally lacking in coverage.

Did I say Clearwire was several years away? Oh, it was just that you were not listening.
 
DavidEduardo said:
SayNoToIBOC said:
David Eduardo replied, from a previous post: "The only potentially serious competion for radio is the Motorola WiMax system, which is years away. And which will have considerable broadcaster involvement in populating the channels."

Years away - try Spring 2006, and it's the same price, as a Receptor HD !

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/motorola_e2_rokr_iradio_cell_phone.html
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html
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The rokr phone, which has had horrible sales, is not the Intel/McCaw/Motorola Clearwire system. This is just a phone with an Internet connection and limited song storage. Clearwire is several years away, as I said.

If you do not understand the difference between an Internet enabled phone and Clearwire, do some reading before you barf up this crap again.

An EVDO phone is not a pleasently enjoyable way to access the Internet for either streaming (don't do it while moving) or browsing the web (can you say slooooooow?) and the service is very spotty nationally, with even some big meteros totally lacking in coverage.

Did I say Clearwire was several years away? Oh, it was just that you were not listening.
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Not to mention that Verizon will cut off your EVDO service for excessive use. Using the Verizon TOS you can't use EVDO to stream radio.
 
Avid Eduardo wrote, in the other thread: "The rokr phone, which has had horrible sales, is not the Intel/McCaw/Motorola Clearwire system. This is just a phone with an Internet connection and limited song storage. Clearwire is several years away, as I said."

Sorry, this is the Rokr E2 phone, which dumped iTunes for iRadio - nice try ! This phone is due out, now !

This type of technology, will help kill HD Radio, if HD Radio doesn't commit suicide, first:

"iRadio to Crowd Radio in the Dash"

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.02.15-04_rw_iRadio_2.shtml
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Avid Eduardo wrote: "The rokr phone, which has had horrible sales, is not the Intel/McCaw/Motorola Clearwire system. This is just a phone with an Internet connection and limited song storage. Clearwire is several years away, as I said."

Sorry, this is the Rokr E2 phone, which dumped iTunes for iRadio - nice try ! This phone is due out, now !
This just adds to your lack of credibility !
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And this is going to kill HD Radio? Right - just like portable cassette, CD, and MP3 Players killed radio. Remember, HD radios will not be an "add on". In fact the receptor has an Aux jack so you can listen to your portable players. You can then listen to your Rokr phone on your HD radio system!
 
Sorry, this is the Rokr E2 phone, which dumped iTunes for iRadio - nice try ! This phone is due out, now !

===>> This is not clearwire. You said it was. It isn't.

This type of technology, will help kill HD Radio, if HD Radio doesn't commit suicide, first:

===>> HD is part of the radio. It is transparent. It requires no intervention to use... the radio defaults to digital if digital is on the carrier, and folds back to analog if it drops out ir is not available for that station.
 
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