Are Cell Phones the Future of Radio ?

[IBOCRocks]

Oh, you mean the link, that I posted earlier, that works:

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/motorola_e2_rokr_iradio_cell_phone.html

It still doesn't change David's point. It's not clearwire.

But don't let facts get in the way of your ranting.

 

[davideduardo]

Oh, you mean the link, that I posted earlier, that works:

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/motorola_e2_rokr_iradio_cell_phone.html

It still doesn't change David's point. It's not clearwire.

But don't let facts get in the way of your ranting.

It also does not change the fact that the phone is not for sale, and is still vapor.

" The Motorola Rokr E2 was originally expected to be available to consumers in the first half of 2006, priced between $200 and $250 with a two-year contract. Its radio technologies and carriers have not yet been announced. Further details will be announced upon consumer availability, the company says."

So it is a $250 phone, with no carrier yet signing on (I looked at Cingular, Sprint and Verizon, to no avaial) and with mixed revues. Oh, it has an FM radio built into the samples that are circulating in Hong Kong.

Here is a more recent link: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html

Cell phones sell a few hundred thousand to the low millions. There are nearly a billion AM FM radios. Do you see the problem yet?

In any case, iRadio is getting content from radio, not somebody's iPod on shuffle. http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5385417564.html shows Clear Channel one of the content providers.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

The phone is due out now and includes iRadio - it will be priced, between $200 - $250, and you can bet it will be picked up by carriers.

http://radio.about.com/od/pdasipodscellphones/a/aa010406a.htm
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1764799,00.asp

Yes, I called too, and the phone is not available, yet - and how many years has the HD Radio industry been saying that they would have HD radios at less than $100 ! Radio Shack doesn't even stock any, yet. The sole HD radio on Amazon, the Receptor HD, is priced at $250, and has very mixed reviews (laughable radio - it needs a dipole antanna mouted high - that says a lot about HD radio coverage). Like anyone is going to spend $250 on an AM/FM radio, when there are so many other options available. BTW, other cell phone carriers offer Internet Radio, like Cingular, with 80 channels. HD radios will need to be priced close to analog AM/FM radios, to have any hope - that isn't going to happen ! Yes, and the number of analog AM/FM radios (1 billion, in the United States), is going to work AGAINST the HD Radio industry - good luck trying to antiquate that many radios ! Yes, that what iRadio is - getting content directly from radio, and a direct competitor to HD Radio:

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.02.15-04_rw_iRadio_2.shtml

GSM cellular systems have 600,000,000 subscribers world-wide:

http://www.kropla.com/mobilephones.htm

David wrote: "Cell phones sell a few hundred thousand to the low millions. There are nearly a billion AM FM radios. Do you see the problem yet?"

BTW, Motorola sold 70,000,000 cell phones last year, and has sold 800,000,000 world-wide, overall - do you see a problem with that ! Your statement is truly laughable !

Caught you again !

 

[IBOCRocks]

The phone is due out now and includes iRadio - it will be priced, between $200 - $250, and you can bet it will be picked up by carriers.

http://radio.about.com/od/pdasipodscellphones/a/aa010406a.htm
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1764799,00.asp

Yes, I called too, and the phone is not available, yet - and how many years has the HD Radio industry been saying that they would have HD radios at less than $100 ! Radio Shack doesn't even stock any, yet. The sole HD radio on Amazon, the Receptor HD, is priced at $250, and has very mixed reviews (laughable radio - it needs a dipole antanna mouted high - that says a lot about HD radio coverage). Like anyone is going to spend $250 on an AM/FM radio, when there are so many other options available. BTW, other cell phone carriers offer Internet Radio, like Cingular, with 80 channels. HD radios will need to be priced close to analog AM/FM radios, to have any hope - that isn't going to happen ! Yes, and the number of analog AM/FM radios (1 billion, in the United States), is going to work AGAINST the HD Radio industry - good luck trying to antiquate that many radios ! Yes, that what iRadio is - getting content directly from radio, and a direct competitor to HD Radio:

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.02.15-04_rw_iRadio_2.shtml

GSM cellular systems have 600,000,000 subscribers world-wide:

http://www.kropla.com/mobilephones.htm

David wrote: "Cell phones sell a few hundred thousand to the low millions. There are nearly a billion AM FM radios. Do you see the problem yet?"

BTW, Motorola sold 70,000,000 cell phones last year, and has sold 800,000,000 world-wide, overall - do you see a problem with that ! Your statement is truly laughable !

Caught you again !

Actually you didn't. 70,000,000 is worldwide.

As for "trying to antiquate"? You just don't understand. HD Radio does not have to "antiquate" anything. The money has already been spent. The companies that invested all of that money are not simply going to shut down the next few years because the radios are slow to take off. Now that they're on, they will stay on. Most HD Radio proponents are expecting at least a five year ride before things really get interesting.

How many people said that satellite radio would fold in the first year. Yep, lots - and they're still around.

The fact that you seem to think that by posting your links you'll stem the tide is comical. Like I said, you're helping HD Radio more than you'll ever know. You're like the last guy on the Titanic. "It's unsinkable! And MUCH better than any stupid life raft!"

 

[davideduardo]

David wrote: "Cell phones sell a few hundred thousand to the low millions. There are nearly a billion AM FM radios. Do you see the problem yet?"

BTW, Motorola sold 70,000,000 cell phones last year, and has sold 800,000,000 world-wide, overall - do you see a problem with that ! Your statement is truly laughable !

Caught you again !

No single model sold 70 million. The best models sell around a million or so (domestic), and then are superceded by others. Even hit phones sell under 2 million, and the lifespan is about 18 months.

You did not catch me. You tried, again, to lie with data. Unfortunately, you are not skilled in using data, and have been presenting enterprise wide world sales of dozens of models when we are talking about one, specific, 9-monh-late EVDO phone. There are already many EVDO phones (I have one built into my computer, but I don't call my computer a radio) so the product is not even innovative. Oh, yeah... it does come with... bingo... an AM FM radio!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Cell phone hardware is upgraded, on average every two years, and comsumers upgrade their phones at the same time. As I stated, Motorola alone, sold 70,000,000 cell phones last year. Your rebuttals should be a waste of time - a rocket scientist isn't needed to figure out the popularity of cell phones. Your numbers are totally wrong, and this study isn't even current:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/BogusiaGrzywac.shtml

"iRadio" to Crowd Radio in the Dash"

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.02.15-04_rw_iRadio_2.shtml

iRadio is going to kill HD Radio, in the dash, and table-top HD Radios don't have a prayer against iRadio in cellular telephones (HD Radio just gets, with limited range, local radio stations and needs a dipole antenna mounted in a high place). This is not to mention, satellite radio manufacturers pay car manufactures $100 for each installed radio, plus they give free limited subscriptions - smart marketing move, unlike the, "Discover it !", HD Radio advertising campaign - a long uphill battle to get people to discover this fraudulent technology - cell phones, satellite radio, iPods, etc., have already been discovered, and their numbers are growing !

 

[IBOCRocks]

Cell phone hardware is upgraded, on average every two years, and comsumers upgrade their phones at the same time. As I stated, Motorola alone, sold 70,000,000 cell phones last year. Your rebuttals should be a waste of time - a rocket scientist isn't needed to figure out the popularity of cell phones. Your numbers are totally wrong, and this study isn't even current:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/BogusiaGrzywac.shtml

"iRadio" to Crowd Radio in the Dash"

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.02.15-04_rw_iRadio_2.shtml

iRadio is going to kill HD Radio, in the dash, and table-top HD Radios don't have a prayer against iRadio in cellular telephones (HD Radio just gets, with limited range, local radio stations and needs a dipole antenna mounted in a high place). This is not to mention, satellite radio manufacturers pay car manufactures $100 for each installed radio, plus they give free limited subscriptions - smart marketing move, unlike the, "Discover it !", HD Radio advertising campaign - a long uphill battle to get people to discover this fraudulent technology - cell phones, satellite radio, iPods, etc., have already been discovered, and their numbers are growing !

FINALLY! Your true colors are starting to show!

You said: "I'm here to help others make informed decisions about HD Radio."

Now you say: "A long uphill battle to get people to discover this fraudulent technology." (Which, by the way, is a lie. There is no fraud involved. But let's be honest - your whole platform is built on lies).

So, readers of this fine board, remember this. SayNo's entire life is revolving around convincing you that you are not smart enough to make your own informed decision. He doesn't want you to sample it (because almost every one who's tried it has loved it)...he wants you to make up your mind before you leave. Problem is, he ran out of steam trying to discredit the technology (about 500 posts in) and is now schilling for iPods, WiFi, cell phones...anything OTHER than HD Radio.

Keep in mind that he has never used HD Radio, or any of these other technologies. His entire reason for being here is to be a mouthpiece for the Anti-IBOC group. If I were them, I'd pressure him to step down. He's hurting their cause more than helping. He's desparate. He'll say ANYTHING to get you to avoid HD Radio.

He'll post links, lie, scream, belittle others...the only thing he won't do is ask you to try the technology for yourself.

That's my opinion. Try it. I know they're expensive and hard to find right now, but be patient. The manufacturers are ramping up production, and they'll start hitting the stores soon. With competition comes lower prices. It may take a year before they're in your price range. That's OK. IBOC isn't going away. Find one in a store, or find someone who has one. Try it. Listen. Make an informed opinion.

Don't take my word for it. And DEFINITELY don't take his.

My stance? Give it a chance. His? Destroy at all costs.

Who's the one with the level head here?