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Are diehard listeners of this format TOO fickle?

DavidEduardo said:
AC Tones said:
You're right, David. You're always right. I have come across plenty of guys in my life that have had an answer for everything, and they always turned out to be nothing more than legends in their own mind.

It would appear that asking if your endeavor was a hobby or a career, you became enraged. Why?

My stream may well be a hobby, but I can tell you, sir, UNEQUIVOCABLY that it is professionally-produced and delivered in crisp 128kbps sound, with a playlist of over 4000 cuts and "0" Geico commercials. My listeners deserve nothing less.

Again, what is your average stream count? 20? 30? 50? 100?

This sounds no different than someone who dubs his mix tapes for his friends.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D I have a guaranteed lifetime pension for 20 years of dedicated public service here and abroad in high-threat environments (and can send you my CV if you want), and do this just for fun and the intrinsic value of knowing that my listeners enjoy what I am doing and that it helps relieve stress from their day. Something to pass away the time and lower my own stress level. Ask me how many $$$$ I have spent to advertise my station...ZERO...NADA...ZILCH...purely word of mouth, and obviously my mouth is not nearly as big as yours. Ergo, I do not expect to put up huge numbers, and really I could care less anyway.

What I am enraged about is that you and your crony buddies at BA UNFORTUNATELY have the infrastructure, the reach, and resources to keep this format viable, but your unmitigated arrogance keeps you from seeing the forest through the trees. Frankly, I have had far greater challenges throughout my career getting guys to hang themselves with their own words and deeds. I have seen plenty of guys your type, and have had the displeasure of working for them as well. Insecure "bullies" hate to be challenged on any level (especially by some brash outsider like me), particularly if they feel they have a sense of entitlement simply because of their longevity in the business or the fact they have the power. At the end of the day, power and influence is all you have. But the artists of this genre are getting the message, Lima Charlie.

Since Casey Kasem is not a contributor on this forum, I guess I'll have to send out this week's "Long Distance Dedication" myself. My apologies for airing the rebroadcast so soon, guys. But I am running out of things to say ;D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM39yIKoSo4
 
So all BA has to do is play your personal iPod and they'll be number one in every market and there won't be any demographic issues. They should throw their research out because you "just know".
 
gr8oldies said:
So all BA has to do is play your personal iPod and they'll be number one in every market and there won't be any demographic issues. They should throw their research out because you "just know".

Here comes Stan Laurel to save the day for Oliver Hardy, God rest their souls :D. At least your comedic sidekick spends more than a minute crafting his posts.
 
AC Tones said:
I have a guaranteed lifetime pension for 20 years of dedicated public service here and abroad in high-threat environments (and can send you my CV if you want), and do this just for fun and the intrinsic value of knowing that my listeners enjoy what I am doing and that it helps relieve stress from their day. Something to pass away the time and lower my own stress level.

I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, you are obviously pleasing yourself and a group of persons who do enjoy your efforts. If you follow the link below, you'll find an endeavor of a similar nature that produces no income, and has cost in the tens of thousands... so I understand the satisfaction you derive from your online station.

The issue is that commercial broadcasting has one model, and that is the amassing of as large an audience as possible so that advertising can be sold for as high a rate as possible. This can only be done by pleasing the listeners that each station is seeking; they don't appear by miracle and they don't stay just because of some billboards or ads on TV.

While you work for the satisfaction, for most of us in radio, the satisfaction is a key part, but we also work for the income that sustains us and our families. So we can't think about the art without thinking about whether the art is salable. As they say, Van Gogh might not have cut off his ear if imprssionism had been accepted and he had sold a few paintings...

Ask me how many $$$$ I have spent to advertise my station...ZERO...NADA...ZILCH...purely word of mouth, and obviously my mouth is not nearly as big as yours. Ergo, I do not expect to put up huge numbers, and really I could care less anyway.

That's the differnce. We do care, because getting good ratings is what keeps us employed, is the measure of our success... or failure... and is crucial to the sale of advertising.

What I am enraged about is that you and your crony buddies at BA

I don't work at BA. Never have. But, like most of us in the business, we know the players. I know Allen and think he is a good programmer, businessman and his work with local music programs and the NARAS is commendable. I have also known Owen Leach for perhaps 15 years or so, and consider him both a friend and an excellent radio person. And I know people ranging from the owner of Mexico's largest station group to engineers in markets like Palm Springs.... so singling out a couple of friends in an industry I have been in since 1959 is a bit disingenuous.

UNFORTUNATELY have the infrastructure, the reach, and resources to keep this format viable, but your unmitigated arrogance eeps you from seeing the forest through the trees.

I don't have anything to do with the format, so however arrogant I may be or not be has nothing to do with the smooth jazz format. On the other hand, I recognize the issues that the format has, and the biggest one is getting large under-55 audiences. I also know that by playing lots of new artists and new songs, you don't get the 35-54 audience in any format.

Frankly, I have had far greater challenges throughout my career getting guys to hang themselves with their own words and deeds. I have seen plenty of guys your type, and have had the displeasure of working for them as well. Insecure "bullies" hate to be challenged on any level (especially by some brash outsider like me), particularly if they feel they have a sense of entitlement simply because of their longevity in the business or the fact they have the power.

Without getting tedious, I have been in the business this long because I have been successful at a very high percentage of my projects. Power is ephemeral, and in radio one has a little of it only as long as the successes keep coming. Those with senses of entitlement are limited to station owners, and even then the truest power in radio comes from the listener.
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AC Tones said:
Here comes Stan Laurel to save the day for Oliver Hardy, God rest their souls :D. At least your comedic sidekick spends more than a minute crafting his posts.

But gr8 has put things in perspective far better than my lengthy posts seem to.

In essence, we have a handful of model railroaders telling Warren Buffett how he should run Burlington Northern now that he bought it.
 
Nock said:
LMAO!!!! It was a yes or no question and you could not keep it to that!!!!!

It was your error in thinking there was a yes or no issue. In fact, at no point was whether KLBU was still broadcasting an issue.

The point was that there have been some risky, gutsy attempts to change the course of smooth jazz... whether it was Blu, QCD, the AC slant at Love 94 in Miami, or the deeper cuts / new music one of Jones, none worked. QCD is gone, Love 94 is now an adult dnace station, Jones' SJ net was closed by a new owner who cut the unprofitable operations, and Blu sits there billing $200 a day.

Keep your eyes on the subject.
 
My boy broke it DOWN! What would we do without all this schooling? Dang he's smart! I'm glad he believes in our right to know! Board Editor, don't delete me! I'm being sincere!
 
DavidEduardo said:
darksoldier said:
Agreed ...more often than not regarding who makes determinations on the demo of a buy,

I have never seen a case where a media buyer at a "real" agency could change the demo specs of a buy.

and the Value managers may well be 100,

What's a "Value manager?" The prior post said agency staff was 25-40, which is, of course, not true.

"changing the function" of staff members was not suggested...

Stating that the authority model of the manager is not appropriate in and of itself suggests changing or redoing the structure of a radio station.

and how an agency is graded was not a major point of interest in the post.

I did not suggest grading agencies... generally, though, the metric is gross billing.

how about something constructive?

I have no suggestion on how to make an older leaning format appeal to yonger demos without suggesting that the format be totally modified, which I think is what the folks like the Smooth Jazz Network are trying to do.


Ahhhh...I see you are simply here to disturb the earth.... Not a constructive word in a SINGLE post. Well have at it friend, there will be no more response to your cries for attention from me.
 
darksoldier said:
Not a constructive word in a SINGLE post. Well have at it friend, there will be no more response to your cries for attention from me.

And that is exactly my point. Between all the ideas and programmers of commercial SJ radio stations, there has not been a stop to the shrinkage of both billings and sales demo audience. From Frank Cody to Jones to the few local programmers left, the format has not found its saviour. As the existing SJ station list shrinks, it will be difficult to convert anyone back, even if the economy recovers somewhat.
 
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