are support Israel ads on the radio legal?

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Those who want to see the destruction of Israel seem to be OTHER Arab nations such as Iran, etc.

There appears to be ONE terrorist organization operating in Palestine called Hamas... and we don't seem to get good information who funds them, who is behind them. Hamas is vicious is dealing with any legitimate Palestinians who don't agree with Hamas.

There are Jews who live in Palestine. There are Palestinians who live in Israel. If it were not for the minority who make up the terrorist organization(s?) the two nations would still be living in relative peace as they have for years.

Tell me who it is that turned the Gaza Strip into a walled prison and then try to convince me that both sides don't have some blood on their hands.

In OUR country we have political discussions and disagreements on who we should support and how we should support them.

Modern Israel exists because of religious concepts. Please note that while some American church denominations side 100% with Israel... as in Israel can do no wrong... other American church groups have called on Israel to "back off" a bit.

It is a legitimate topic for discussion among the American people, thus it is a legitimate topic for radio ads in America.

 

[FredLeonard]

Those two things do seem to go hand in hand. All one has to do is look anywhere this story is being discussed. It's not uncommon to see the old blood libel myth being rekindled, as well as the most vile language you could imagine.

You can't treat both sides as "equals" in this conflict. One side is being run by people who have it in their very charter that their goal is the destruction of Israel. There is no negotiating with Hamas. I'm sure a lot of people in the USA supported the Germans and Japanese during World War II, but we didn't give them prominent places in the media, because we knew the difference between right and wrong.

This modern idea of "Palestine" is nothing but a front for terror organizations.

And I suppose you think the "Savage Indians" had it coming for attacking wagon trains and that cavalry regiment at the Little Big Horn.

What Israel is doing is genocide, no more and no less. This history of genocide goes back to Joshua claiming Yahweh ordered all Canaanites to be slaughtered, even those who surrendered. Maybe you should should brush up on the difference between right and wrong.

 

[TheBigA]

Maybe you should should brush up on the difference between right and wrong.

Of course, that has nothing to do with whether or not a station can air advertising.

 

[hangman]

If you do not support Israel, you are labled anti-semetic, just like if you voted against Obama, and for Mitt, you were racist. This is what America has become, you have to watch your step and be so politically correct with your radio ads; that is if you are a Christian(Goyam), White, Republican, Male, who are automatically deemed the enemy of America. For the poster that did not hear the commercials, its "help Israel once again in this time of need with financial support" and on and on, over 50 percent of our overseas Aid goes to Israel now. Most of the weapons they are using now to kill innocent Children and Civilians are US built and supplied and we have no remorse, we denounce Russia for doing the same thing in the Ukraine. I know if a radio ad urged people in America to support the Arabs with money, all hell would break loose. If anyone was around in the 60's, it was the same radio/TV ads, buy Israel war bonds, this is when it was explosive after the 6 day war. Bottom line; we all know who runs and controls the media, facts are facts, its just how its always been and will stay that way, with mostly incorrect, distorted views to help one cry baby.

 

[TheBigA]

over 50 percent of our overseas Aid goes to Israel now.

Not true. Not even close. Israel gets $3 billion out of over $70 billion in the foreign aid budget. The Arab countries that surround it get over $6 billion. Afghanistan gets $12 billion.

These ads have nothing to do with US aid to Israel. They have to do with personal donations. That's voluntary. That means you can ignore the ad if you don't agree. Very different situation.

A lot of these same radio stations were running paid ads from HHS talking about signing up for health insurance. During the talk shows, the hosts were blasting federal insurance, and during the breaks, those same listeners heard ads talking about registering.

 

[davideduardo]

Bottom line; we all know who runs and controls the media

Please do tell us who controls "the media..."

 

[ContinuousWave]

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

So are you an investment broker? What about a banker? Have you even taken any economic classes??

I bet the answer to all three are no...

I have friends in all three.......all non Jewish and would agree with David's facts.........FACTS!

 

[FredLeonard]

So are you an investment broker? What about a banker? Have you even taken any economic classes??

I bet the answer to all three are no...

I have friends in all three.......all non Jewish and would agree with David's facts.........FACTS!

You don't determine what's so by counting noses. And the people you are citing are the ones running the scam that is Wall Street. In Las Vegas, the mafiosi will tell you the games are not rigged in favor of the house, too.

 

[davideduardo]

You don't determine what's so by counting noses. And the people you are citing are the ones running the scam that is Wall Street. In Las Vegas, the mafiosi will tell you the games are not rigged in favor of the house, too.

I had my first brokerage account when I was 9, a year after I got my first subscription to Barron's. I read at least 1000 annual reports every year. I've never felt scammed or deceived, but have carefully avoided investment products that are too complicated to track and analyze for my limited time availability and I have never done things like puts and calls, shorts or even commodity trading.

Most scams require both a dishonest scam artist and an ignorant consumer. Speak for your own situation if you will, but don't indict the entire system of investing based on isolated incidents (Madoff, et.al.) or complicated products the average consumer should never touch.

 

[Ravens]

If you do not support Israel, you are labled anti-semetic....we all know who runs and controls the media

I figured I'd just edit it down to the two phrases that say everything.

You don't have to "support Israel", but supporting terrorists isn't the answer.

 

[TheBigA]

You don't determine what's so by counting noses. And the people you are citing are the ones running the scam that is Wall Street. In Las Vegas, the mafiosi will tell you the games are not rigged in favor of the house, too.

You're welcome to your opinion that Wall Street is a scam, but that opinion doesn't change the facts.

 

[FredLeonard]

You're welcome to your opinion that Wall Street is a scam, but that opinion doesn't change the facts.

The fact is it's a scam, rigged against individual investors, whether I say so or not. I might as well say so. But it's your money. Do what you want with it.

 

[Unregistered]

If you do not support Israel, you are labled anti-semetic, just like if you voted against Obama, and for Mitt, you were racist. This is what America has become, you have to watch your step and be so politically correct with your radio ads; that is if you are a Christian(Goyam), White, Republican, Male, who are automatically deemed the enemy of America.

The labeling of anyone who doesn't adhere to the party line is not unique to either end of the political spectrum. One need only listen to some of the national talk shows to hear anyone who deviates on any topic is branded with any number of pejorative labels. No one has a monopoly on the "all or nothing" approach.

Bottom line; we all know who runs and controls the media, facts are facts, its just how its always been and will stay that way, with mostly incorrect, distorted views to help one cry baby.

And that is supported by what actual, factual evidence?

 

[TheBigA]

The fact is it's a scam, rigged against individual investors, whether I say so or not. I might as well say so. But it's your money. Do what you want with it.

But it has nothing to do with the overall facts of who owns what.

 

[davideduardo]

The fact is it's a scam, rigged against individual investors, whether I say so or not. I might as well say so. But it's your money. Do what you want with it.

The markets, particularly in the era of programmed trades, is seldom kind to those who gamble with stocks. While a few people who spend their entire day doing analysis may do well, for most people this is no different than gambling at the track, the casino or the backroom poker game.

But for longer term investors, even those who are less risk-adverse and can be called "speculators", stocks have been a good investment for as long as I've been in the markets.

 

[Unregistered]

David....David....there you go with demonstrable facts again.

 

[JeffM]

I'm just sitting back waiting to see how long it takes Hangman and FL to get this board shut down by the moderator. Of course, then they'll just say the moderator must be Jewish.

 

[Art Landing]

Well, if the discussion gets shut down it won’t be because its pro or anti Jew but because has gotten off topic for this forum – let’s just be honest.We're supposed to be talking about radio.

That said I’d like to correct some historical information and then tie it back to radio’s role in informing the public. It is true that the United Natons set up two areas of land for Palestinians and Jews after WW2.The Jews accepted their allocation but many Palestinians elected to leave while expecting the Arabs to crush the nascent new nation.

But that isn’t where the story begins. The fact is that the entire middle east got carved up after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. The Balfour declaration invited Jews back to Palestine, where other Jews and Palestinians had been co-existing. Neither was ever an independent nation unless you go back over two millennia. Both groups started efforts to throw the Brits out – ever look at the record of the pro-Jewish Stern gang, which once infamously blew up an entire hotel. The "restore the caliphate" Muslim crowd was no better.

WW2 saw the Muslim Brotherhood in cahoots with the Nazis and America aligning with the Saudis while France and Britain retained their respective spheres of influence. Still neither Jews or Palestinians had a state –but after WW2 there was much pro-Jewish sentiment in the west because of outrage over the holocaust and guilt because America and others were so late to recognize it. It was in this context that the “two nations for two peoples” decision by the UN (dominated by America, France, Britain and natonalist China) was made as the British mandate concluded.

What few apparently foresaw was the depth of Muslim hostility to the existence of a Jewish state. Nassar and others tried several times to evict the relocated Jews while many Palestinians became displaced wholly because of their own actions, not those of Israel. Those Palestinians who remained in Israel wound up with representation in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, an arrangement which continues to this day,

As the attacks came Israel expanded its borders for obvious security reasons at the expense of neighboring Arab countries, not the Palestinians, who had rejected what could have been their territory. Eventually Israel made peace with neighboring Egypt and Jordan and Yassir Arafat formed the PLO in the refugee camps demanding a homeland. The UN and even Israel agree in principle that this should be done – the question is the borders.

Israel wants all of Jerusalem and security – it has no objection to the Palestinians having a country and even assisting it if they’ll only acknowledge Israel’s right to be a country as well. Israel doesn’t target women and children, Hamas uses them as shields and even has manuals instructing as to how to do it. Israel isn’t building tunnels and sending random rockets into Palestinian territory. But in a war against the likes of Hamas women and children will be killed because Hamas designs it that way.

So should radio stations which allow pro Israel ads also allow pro-Hamas ones? Sure, if anyone wants to pay for the air time. But most radio listeners don’t want to hear documentaries. For this reason few stations will take time to put ads for either side into true context, nor will the history above be alluded to in their news casts. I find this unfortunate.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Excellent post, Art.

Yes, we have ventured away from radio for awhile in this thread, but I would argue that it was necessary to focus on establishing that there is a "legitimate" struggle buried somewhere in the story. Early in the conversation it became obvious that some participants took the position that radio advertising on the subject would be unthinkable because one side is absolutely right and the other side is totally wrong and should have no expectation to participate in any public discussion and debate in this country.

Some really excellent world leaders have tried for years to help the peoples of Israel and Palestine to find their way to a livable solution that has reason and justice and equity as best it can be developed. I assume that we can agree that process has not handed down a solution that we can all feel good about. (Can any people, can any part of the Middle East be happy with how the land was arbitrarily carved up after WW One?)

So maybe going forward from here, our thread can deal with radio. We have a lot of threads that talk about what people want to hear on the radio and what kind of programming content will drive people away from radio. So who would be willing to pay for airtime that is not likely to be well received and comprehended by the listeners? I would think that maybe workable advertising would focus on promoting meetings where people who do care could attend and hear lectures. There could be ads to encourage people to buy books on the topic.

But in the end of our narrative, we probably have to look at radio and comment: "Radio doesn't seem to do much to reconcile how our citizens understand the tension between our two major political philosophies in this, our own nation. Who is going to open up their wallet and fund advertising that probably won't do much of anything useful for the peoples who live at the Eastern end of the Mediterranean Ocean?

 

[FredLeonard]

Art describes the Zionist version of history very well. That recounting leaves out that Palestinians were living peacefully in Palestine for millennia, albeit under foreign rule. That all Arab peoples (including Palestinians) were promised an independent homeland after World War I and betrayed by the British and French who coveted the region's oil (all this is recounted in "Lawrence of Arabia"). That when FDR told King Ibn Saud (his ally) that the US planned to take a portion of Palestine for a Jewish state, Saud asked why the allies didn't take away part of Germany instead? Arabs (including Palestinians) were not the perpetrators of the Holocaust but they are expected to have their territories confiscated in some form of reparation. The idea that Arabs were allied with Nazi Germany is lie. Americans can't understand why the Indians fought back. Brits couldn't understand why the Irish fought back. Oppressors never seem to understand why their victims don't love them. And Israel can't understand why the Palestinians (and their other Arab neighbors) also want to fight back. There is no such thing as a "right to exist." Ask Darwin.

Fortunately, the media's blind support of and cheer leading for Israel has weakened. The Palestinian position is finally being recognized as legitimate and is being aired. However, Palestinians don't have money to buy air time like the Zionist Lobby does.