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Article on market's 1 and 2 lack of rock and country and the New Movin' format

Jeffrey said:
found this interesting article on another board as to why country and rock don't do well on Los Angeles radio.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/22/AR2006092200252.html
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Country and Rock are over-rated in LA and many other places in the country. NYC and Los Angeles will not be the only ones that drop the redneck and rock culture. Country music artists sound the same. Rock, ironically is much that way as too many artists sound the same.
 
boone said:
Country and Rock are over-rated in LA and many other places in the country. NYC and Los Angeles will not be the only ones that drop the redneck and rock culture. Country music artists sound the same. Rock, ironically is much that way as too many artists sound the same.
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Um, over-rated? Actually, they're getting, and in KZLA's case got ratings, they just weren't very high. The truth is exactly what you read in that article. Not enough whites living in LA to support the format. Though Country CD sales in LA would seem to run counter to that. As for Rock, same thing. Rock acts sell out in LA, but there's just one Classic Rocker and then there's KROQ and to a lesser extent STAR. Go to markets in the Midwest and east where the ethnic shift is to more whites and there are plenty of Rock stations that do well. It's a cultural thing. Mexicans fresh from Mexico don't listen to Country or Rock, and since they now outnumber the whites that do in LA and many other markets, the Rock & Country formats fail to attract large numbers. But their smaller audiences are loyal. Lets not forget the way Arbitron works. That's been helping the Spanish stations to a degree for some time now. I 'm a white male who never cared for Country, but I love Rock and still listen. I'm a minority and that's the reality of it. By the way, I wouldn't classify Country listeners as "rednecks". Besides being a derogatory term, it just isn't true. Many Country listeners are anything but rednecks. I don't understand the appeal of Hip Hop at all, but I don't deride it or it's listeners...
 
calguy said:
boone said:
Country and Rock are over-rated in LA and many other places in the country. NYC and Los Angeles will not be the only ones that drop the redneck and rock culture. Country music artists sound the same. Rock, ironically is much that way as too many artists sound the same.
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Um, over-rated? Actually, they're getting, and in KZLA's case got ratings, they just weren't very high. The truth is exactly what you read in that article. Not enough whites living in LA to support the format. Though Country CD sales in LA would seem to run counter to that. As for Rock, same thing. Rock acts sell out in LA, but there's just one Classic Rocker and then there's KROQ and to a lesser extent STAR. Go to markets in the Midwest and east where the ethnic shift is to more whites and there are plenty of Rock stations that do well. It's a cultural thing. Mexicans fresh from Mexico don't listen to Country or Rock, and since they now outnumber the whites that do in LA and many other markets, the Rock & Country formats fail to attract large numbers. But their smaller audiences are loyal. Lets not forget the way Arbitron works. That's been helping the Spanish stations to a degree for some time now. I 'm a white male who never cared for Country, but I love Rock and still listen. I'm a minority and that's the reality of it. By the way, I wouldn't classify Country listeners as "rednecks". Besides being a derogatory term, it just isn't true. Many Country listeners are anything but rednecks. I don't understand the appeal of Hip Hop at all, but I don't deride it or it's listeners...
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Country is redneck. Has been and always will be. As far as rock? Rock is cool but too much of it sounds the same. Too much processing, etc. Needs to get back to roots more. Gday!
 
hip hop, rap and spanish sound the same too. great talent but all wannabes because they can't sing.

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Country is redneck. Has been and always will be. As far as rock? Rock is cool but too much of it sounds the same. Too much processing, etc. Needs to get back to roots more. Gday!
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Like I said, it's a derogatory term. And the roots of the "cool" Rock & Roll you speak of is in Country and R&B. Many Country artists like Conway Twitty and Johnny Cash got their start in Rock. I wouldn't classify them as "redneck" either. Just savvy, talented musicians. Yours is simply an opinion. I might even agree that current rock sounds the same. What I don't care for is the term "redneck". It's just too easy to name-call. It's always smarter to make your point without lowering yourself to that...
 
calguy said:
Country is redneck. Has been and always will be. As far as rock? Rock is cool but too much of it sounds the same. Too much processing, etc. Needs to get back to roots more. Gday!
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Like I said, it's a derogatory term. And the roots of the "cool" Rock & Roll you speak of is in Country and R&B. Many Country artists like Conway Twitty and Johnny Cash got their start in Rock. I wouldn't classify them as "redneck" either. Just savvy, talented musicians. Yours is simply an opinion. I might even agree that current rock sounds the same. What I don't care for is the term "redneck". It's just too easy to name-call. It's always smarter to make your point without lowering yourself to that...

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I don't believe "Redneck" is a bad word. Conway, Cash, Hank were all redneck and were proud of it.
 
"Conway, Cash, Hank were all redneck and were proud of it."

Pilot...you don't have a clue.
As your court-appointed lawyer, I advise you to sit down and be quiet.
 
romer979fm said:
"Conway, Cash, Hank were all redneck and were proud of it."

Pilot...you don't have a clue.
As your court-appointed lawyer, I advise you to sit down and be quiet.
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ding ding ding! we have a winner with redneck games!
congratulations to: "romer the homer"
 
Redneck is NOT a derogatory term in country music. Several big country songs such as "Redneck Yacht Club" and "Redneck Woman" make positive refrences to the word redneck.

I would guess that most people who think the term redneck is offensive are politically correct types who never listen to country music. Google the lyrics to Gretchen Wilson's "Redneck Woman' and you will gain a better understanding.

Not every country listener is a redneck. not every country song is about the redneck lifestyle ( a lot of it sounds AC that's why ACs play so much country these days) , still "redneck" is totally non-offensive to country listeners and in some cases is a badge of honor.
 
Up against the wall, redneck mother.
Mother who has raised a son so well.
He's 34 and drinkin in a honky tonk.
Just kissing hippies' asses until they swell.

- Something Jerry Jeff Walker sang once.
 
Jay F said:
Redneck is NOT a derogatory term in country music. Several big country songs such as "Redneck Yacht Club" and "Redneck Woman" make positive refrences to the word redneck.

I would guess that most people who think the term redneck is offensive are politically correct types who never listen to country music. Google the lyrics to Gretchen Wilson's "Redneck Woman' and you will gain a better understanding.

Not every country listener is a redneck. not every country song is about the redneck lifestyle ( a lot of it sounds AC that's why ACs play so much country these days) , still "redneck" is totally non-offensive to country listeners and in some cases is a badge of honor.
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I've never been accused of being a PC guy, but I was raised to be polite. My dad who was from North Carolina was a country fan to the core, but he considered it an offensive term. Probably because of the way he was treated by left coast liberals when he came to California, and that's how he taught me. If he were alive today he'd be 85 and was definitely a child of another era. Perhaps the term is considered differently by people now days, and if that's true, then it comes down to the changes, the evolution of the younger generations. That's why in some circles it's okay to use the "N" word. But it's still a word I don't even think of uttering and that's the way I've taught my children as well.

So it's a badge of courage now, go figure. I'm bowing out of this thread now as I don't feel the need to keep it going. We aggree that we disagree...
 
zumahans said:
Up against the wall, redneck mother.
Mother who has raised a son so well.
He's 34 and drinkin in a ------ tonk.
Just kissing hippies' asses until they swell.

- Something Jerry Jeff Walker sang once.
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Honnkytonk with one n is not a nasty word.
 
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