Bands you'd like to hear more/less of on 104.5

[mjb1124]

Well, I went through everything they played yesterday (May 19), and here's my analysis the artists in their rotation.

THUMBS UP
30 Seconds To Mars
Alice in Chains
All-American Rejects
Audioslave
Barenaked Ladies
Beastie Boys
Beck
Ben Folds Five
Better Than Ezra
Billy Idol
Blind Melon
Blink 182
Blue October (but ease up on the spins for "Hate Me")
Bob Marley
Cake
Chevelle
Coldplay
Dave Matthews Band
David Gray
Depeche Mode
Dynamite Hack
Edie Brickell & The New Bohemians
Edwyn Collins
Elastica
Everclear
Everlast
Filter
Fiona Apple
Foo Fighters
Franz Ferdinand
Fun Lovin' Criminals
Garbage
Gin Blossoms
Gorillaz
Hole
Incubus
Jack Johnson
Jesus Jones
Jimmy Eat World
Lit
Local H
Lo-Fidelity Allstars
Matthew Sweet
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Moby
Modest Mouse
My Chemical Romance
Nada Surf (but play their newer stuff too)
New Order
Nine Inch Nails
O.A.R.
Oasis
OK Go
Oleander
Pearl Jam
Presidents of the USA
Primitive Radio Gods
R.E.M.
Rancid
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Reel Big Fish
Republica
Screaming Trees
Silversun Pickups
Soul Asylum
Soundgarden
Spacehog
Sponge
Stone Temple Pilots
Sublime
Talking Heads
The Breeders
The Clash
The Cranberries
The Flys
The Killers
The Lemonheads
The Offspring
The Police
The Raconteurs
The Ramones
The Smashing Pumpkins
The Verve
The White Stripes
Third Eye Blind
U2
Violent Femmes
Wall of Voodoo
Weezer

THUMBS IN THE MIDDLE
Alien Ant Farm's "Smooth Criminal" (I'd rather hear their original material)
Bush
Candlebox
Collective Soul
Days of the New
Finger Eleven
Fuel
Harvey Danger
Hoobastank
Linkin Park
Live
Living Colour
Modern English
Plain White T's
Radiohead's "Creep" (they have so many better songs)
Seether
Shinedown
Simple Minds
Staind
Stroke 9
The Ataris' "Boys of Summer" (again, I'd rather hear their original songs)
The Fray
The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Velvet Revolver
Yellowcard

THUMBS DOWN
3 Doors Down
Breaking Benjamin
Crossfade
Default
Evanescence
Fall Out Boy
Good Charlotte
Hinder
Jet
Len
Lenny Kravitz
Nickelback
Panic! At The Disco
Papa Roach
Puddle of Mudd
Stone Sour
Switchfoot
The Bodeans
Three Days Grace
Tonic
Trapt

OTHER ARTISTS TO CONSIDER PLAYING
311
AFI
The Arcade Fire
Arctic Monkeys
Björk
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Brand New
The Bravery
The Cult
Cracker
The Cure
The Dandy Warhols
The Eels
Fountains of Wayne
The Fratellis
Gnarls Barkley
Hard-Fi
Interpol
Jane's Addiction
Kaiser Chiefs
Keane
Morrissey
Muse
Nirvana (I kid you not - they haven't played a single Nirvana song today)
Peter Bjorn & John
The Pixies
Placebo
Porno For Pyros
Queens of the Stone Age
The Replacements
Rise Against
Satellite Party
The Shins
Shiny Toy Guns
Siouxsie & The Banshees
The Smiths
Snow Patrol
Social Distortion
Sparta
The Strokes
They Might Be Giants
Amy Winehouse
XTC
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Pete Yorn

Also, I would generally suggest digging deeper with a lot of these artists instead of just slamming the hits. This particularly applies to bands that have had long careers like Pearl Jam, Green Day, The Cure, RHCP, and so forth. In addition, I did notice some repeats of both golds and recurrents - try to ease up on that.

 

[Adam Rivers]

Guys, The more pop-rock leaning stuff like Fallout Boy and Daughtry they play, the higher the ratings will go.. and that's what it's about..

 

[SoulCrusher]

Guys, The more pop-rock leaning stuff like Fallout Boy and Daughtry they play, the higher the ratings will go.. and that's what it's about..

Teenybopper fluff and Mullet Rock respectively. Leave that stuff to Q, Ben, and B (Daughtry at least can work there) - that's commercial pop tripe that fits in better on these stations. Radio 104.5 should target intelligent, discriminating adults and play a bunch of acts that can't be heard elsewhere. That's their key to success, should they choose to take it.

 

[SoulCrusher]

Mullet Rock = Nickelback, Hinder, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down, Puddle Of Mudd, Daughtry, Buckcherry, some Staind & Stone Sour, etc.
Teenybopper Fluff = Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, Yellowcard, Sum 41, etc.

Our local Alternative in Monmouth/Ocean, G Rock, plays a lot of good stuff but also subjects us to a lot of the above categories. If Radio 104.5 can program smart and play a minimal amount of these bands, this will be a huge success. The crowd for these acts are probably listening to something else anyway.

 

[raydofan]

Well, I went through everything they played yesterday (May 19), and here's my analysis the artists in their rotation.

THUMBS UP
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THUMBS IN THE MIDDLE
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THUMBS DOWN
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OTHER ARTISTS TO CONSIDER PLAYING
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Also, I would generally suggest digging deeper with a lot of these artists instead of just slamming the hits.  This particularly applies to bands that have had long careers like Pearl Jam, Green Day, The Cure, RHCP,  and so forth.  In addition, I did notice some repeats of both golds and recurrents - try to ease up on that.

You see why radio will always lose to an iPod? Forget about it.

You mention the stuff you have in your collection already. You can't sell this broad mess of stuff, no matter how narrow you or I think it is. Sell the sticks to the cell companies or donate them to community groups, and let's expose people to REAL ALTERNATIVES other than label (who also are in death throes)-promoted sh173 . Or News/Talk on FM, which Philly could use.

 

[Beejus]

See a trend here? It generally points to wanting less of the third-rate grunge copycats, power balladeers and pseudo-punk boy bands, and more post-punk, new wave Alternative and thinking man's alt-metal.

That's at least what radio freaks like us want. We can't speak for the general public.

 

[DToTheJ]

Mullet Rock = Nickelback, Hinder, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down, Puddle Of Mudd, Daughtry, Buckcherry, some Staind & Stone Sour, etc.
Teenybopper Fluff = Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, Yellowcard, Sum 41, etc.

And in which category would the one-hit wonder Len fit?

 

[SoulCrusher]

Mullet Rock = Nickelback, Hinder, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down, Puddle Of Mudd, Daughtry, Buckcherry, some Staind & Stone Sour, etc.
Teenybopper Fluff = Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, Yellowcard, Sum 41, etc.

And in which category would the one-hit wonder Len fit?

Whatever category you would put Sugar Ray (post-Floored at least) and Smash Mouth in - songs for shiny happy people that are more likely to get played on Hot AC than Alternative these days. I remember hearing it and being shocked that something that blatantly sampled a disco song ("More More More") was on Alternative. Turns out the song was radically different from the rest of their material, which was Vanilla Ice-esque hip-hop.

Not bad but not great. I'm not surprised at all that they were one hit wonders. I'd rather hear that than music for the Mullets and the Teenyboppers, though.

 

[mjb1124]

You see why radio will always lose to an iPod? Forget about it.

You mention the stuff you have in your collection already. You can't sell this broad mess of stuff, no matter how narrow you or I think it is. Sell the sticks to the cell companies or donate them to community groups, and let's expose people to REAL ALTERNATIVES other than label (who also are in death throes)-promoted sh173 . Or News/Talk on FM, which Philly could use.

I don't have everything I listed in my collection, nor would I want everything in my collection to be played on an Alternative station. I happen to like the sense of not knowing what you're going to hear next (you sorta get that with an iPod in shuffle mode, but it's just not the same), along with the jocks and other presentation elements. And there are other stations with similarly broad playlists in major markets like Los Angeles, Boston, and Seattle that seem to be doing just fine.

 

[raydofan]

You see why radio will always lose to an iPod? Forget about it.

You mention the stuff you have in your collection already. You can't sell this broad mess of stuff, no matter how narrow you or I think it is. Sell the sticks to the cell companies or donate them to community groups, and let's expose people to REAL ALTERNATIVES other than label (who also are in death throes)-promoted sh173 . Or News/Talk on FM, which Philly could use.

I don't have everything I listed in my collection, nor would I want everything in my collection to be played on an Alternative station.

That's where the next money demo paths diverge from the 'typical radio' listener: You can't match randomness of a truly personal nature.

I happen to like the sense of not knowing what you're going to hear next (you sorta get that with an iPod in shuffle mode, but it's just not the same)

How about something you've never heard before-period? How about recontextualizing an old favorite- totally out of genre? No one in radio wants to chance that either, not even college jocks these days.

...along with the jocks and other presentation elements.

...which consist of...what? Some addlepate trying to come up with clever banter about stuff he knows nothing about? There are no interesting jocks left, and that is attributable to PD's constraint and/or they have nothing to say anyway.

And please spare me the 'cleverly arranged movie clips and other pop-culture ephemera' sound bites that have been ground in the dirt. I discard better ideas while micturating.

And there are other stations with similarly broad playlists in major markets like Los Angeles, Boston, and Seattle that seem to be doing just fine.

...and Philly ain't none of those places, and that is a different discussion entirely.

 

[raydofan]

NO NO NO
U2 sick of them all over the dial and on XM and Sirius
Rage (for personal reasons, we all know what they are about, or any other political bands)



YES YES YES
Pistols
Nixons
Public Image LTD
Specials
FIXX

I am pleasantly surprised at the bands people on this board are posting, I really thought everyone on here was an urban freak....good news.

I think you should probably listen to PiL's lyrics a little more closely.

 

[Wexler]

Where the hell are the Strokes? They have not played them once.

 

[carnyfeet]

I cobbled together a live feed of tracks that appear in 104.5's Top 100 tracks that DON'T appear in 93.3's Top 100 tracks. I used a combination of Yes.com, Feed43.com, and Yahoo Pipes - if anyone's interested in my method to make another comparison, I'll be happy to either duplicate the process for you or describe it for you to try yourself.

Here's the pipe. Click "run" and then subscribe to the RSS feed to see what Radio 104.5 is playing that WMMR is not. (hint: not that much, and it's not that good either)

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=bMIDuDgJ3BG_QwO7l7okhQ

 

[RunWithScissors]

From Wall of Voodo-Mexican Radio to Three Days Grace-Just Like You, sounds fantastic, now this makes great radio, they are mixing it up good. I still did not hear any Oasis/Pistol tunes, did they play them so far. Raydofan as for PiL, I know the lyrics in most of their songs, John Lydon's bio, just go to IMdb and look him up and you will know what he is about, that is why he is one of my favorite artists.

 

[raydofan]

From Wall of Voodo-Mexican Radio to Three Days Grace-Just Like You, sounds fantastic, now this makes great radio, they are mixing it up good. I still did not hear any Oasis/Pistol tunes, did they play them so far. Raydofan as for PiL, I know the lyrics in most of their songs, John Lydon's bio, just go to IMdb and look him up and you will know what he is about, that is why he is one of my favorite artists.

IMDB? [EDIT], man-I've read the bio and seen the movie and watched countless interviews with the man. What is the essense that strikes? Cos frankly, I don't see the connection.

And name your favorite songs by PiL.


[EDIT-profanity]

 

[RunWithScissors]

God, Emperor, Good Things, Acid Drops, Brave New World, Armada, Disappointed, Warrior, Under the House, Go Back, Phenagen, and more but it would take up space and just be a waste on this board to list them all....I also have their only video about the white black song....

 

[raydofan]

God, Emperor, Good Things, Acid Drops, Brave New World, Armada, Disappointed, Warrior, Under the House, Go Back, Phenagen, and more but it would take up space and just be a waste on this board to list them all....I also have their only video about the white black song....

You mean 'Rise'?

How does this strike ya:

(All PiL Lyrics)

Down in the dark
Tell us a story
From the room below
You are an Ostrich
Bury your head
Personal auschwitz 
Fermenting in bed
Empty promises help to forget
No more, no more
Repair the damages you made
Amen, amen, amen
Empty promises help to forget
No more, no more
Amen, amen, amen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Logic is lost in your cranial abbatoir
Shallow
Empty inside
Sly-witted
Full of snide
The shutter-speed of your thinking process
Is small
Too small
Too full of pride
Lost in a storm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Stained glass windows keep the cold outside
While the hypocrites hide inside
With the lies of statues in their minds
Where the Christian religion made them blind
Where they hide
And prey to the God of a bitch spelled backwards is dog
Not for one race, one creed, one world
But for money
Effective
Absurd

Do you pray to the Holy Ghost when you suck your host
Do you read whos dead in the Irish Post
Do you give away the cash you cant afford
On bended knees and pray to lord

Fat pig priest
Sanctimonious smiles
He takes the money
You take the lies
This is religion and Jesus Christ
This is religion cheaply priced
This is bibles full of libel
This is sin in eternal hymn
This is what theyve done
This is your religion
The apostles were eleven
Now theres a sod in Heaven

This is religion
Theres a liar on the altar
The sermon never falter
This is religion
Your religion
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some people got: more kicks than halfpence
And cry for attention, like cracks in the pavement
And all of this pointed, like perfect TV
When you're sowing the wind, you reap the whirlwind

Who gets the mansions - we get the ruins
Same old story
Your flexible nature, serving no purpose
Like a terrible artist, using no shadow
And the king of the castle, is pulling new shapes
Gilding the lilies, and all of them fakes

Typical tragic, small house and small street
Narrow the outlook, small minded complete
The emperor's new clothes, get clearer and clearer
Dictate to the fingers, that tighten the trigger

And the king of the castle is pulling new shapes
Life is a poison, it begins at home
Pride is a trinket, a security blanket
You could tangle the spiders on the webs that we weave



(I guess a move to TIO is warranted..?)

 

[drog123]

Where the hell are the Strokes? They have not played them once.

I heard "Last Nite" early this morning!!

 

[Wexler]

Where the hell are the Strokes? They have not played them once.

I heard "Last Nite" early this morning!!

How about the Hives and the Vines? WRFF needs to own the Strokes. Not one Rage song either...

I am sure the "rock" listener is really not feeling the difference between WMMR and WRFF other than the length of the commercial stop sets...which is an enormous difference. 4 times yesterday while driving I would flip between the two and although I found WRFF playing something more geared towards a female-pop-rock-lover, MMR was in a commercial break. I think in a PPM world that's going to do some significant damage.

WRFF needs to go deeper on the safe, 90's Gold usual suspects: Weezer, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, RHCP and Green Day...they are just scratching the surface, and this is where they can crush MMR...own these artists in Prime hours and reward the listener. Plus it adds a little testosterone to what is coming off as a slightly wussy station - that's not good in Philly. Think about it.

Here is my list of no-risk deeper tracks that will absolutely go over HUGE and differentiate WRFF from More Mullet Radio.

Weezer: El Scorcho, Jonas, The worlds has turned, Pink Triangle, In the Garage

Foo: DOA!!!, This is a call, I'll Stick Around, Stacked Actors, Baker Street, Break Out, and if they get really ballsy - Deepest Blue from the latest album...nice tune that the girls will dig.

Pearl Jam: This one is so easy - let MMR play the singles that we are all tired of hearing!!!

Here is what WRFF has played:
Yellow Ledbetter - DO NOT PLAY THIS!!! It is a tired B-side that has become boring!
Dissident - NICE
Even Flow - NEVER AGAIN!
Elderly Woman - I WILL SHOOT MY RADIO IF I HEAR THIS AGAIN!
Black - Play the Staind version...there is still a PJ connection
Daughter - LEAVE THIS TO WBEN!!!
Last Kiss - SEE YELLOW LEDBETTER!
Alive - only in tribute to Y100.
Better Man - LEAVE THIS TO B101!!!
Corduroy - YES, but not too much.

Here are some suggested adds in their place, I listed the ones that were previous radio songs:
Jeremy - only because they have not played it...see Corduroy (radio song)
Porch - 10,000,000 albums sold, how many Men 25-44 own it and would love hearing this song? (oh wow)
Animal - no brainer (radio song)
Glorified G (radio song)
Rearview Mirror (radio song)
Leash - only as an super-duper "oh wow".
Nothingman - chicks will think it's the second chapter to Better man.
Hail Hail (radio song)
Given to Fly (radio song)
Wish List - see Jeremy and Corduroy (radio song)
Down - see Leash (radio song...briefly)
Eddie's version of - Hide your love away (great radio sing-along)
Save You (radio song)
World Wide (radio song)
State of Love and Trust - you guys played Screaming Trees...
Who covers...connects old with new-ish.

Nirvana: they are doing a pretty good job here.
Heart Shaped Box

RHCP: not bad, a little too much Snow.
Suck my kiss
Higher Ground - heavy rotation on MTV back in the 90's.
My Friends (I am pretty sure WDRE played this heavy)

Green Day: Good job here!


OTHER:
Radio Head: My Iron Lung
Smashing Pumpkins:Cherub Rock, Rocket,
Sound Garden: My Wave, Outshined, Blow Up the Outside World
REM: Driver 8
Rage Against the Machine: anything...just throw it in there, don't be chicken, men will dig it!
Incubus: Megalomaniac, Warning, DIG - their new song?!!
311: Amber
Beasties: do not play Fight For Your Right, Brass Monkey or Girls ever again.
Ben Folds: Army
Bush: Everything Zen, Greedy Fly,
Cold Play: Shiver, In My Place, The Hardest Part
DMB: VERY NICE JOB...a little heavier rotation to bring the chicks in...
INXS: Listen Like Thieves
STP: Unglued, Crackerman,Big Bang Baby
Jeff Buckley: Last Good Bye, Eternal Life (I know, it's a stretch, but if you are going to go deep on Sublime...)
Queens of the Stone Age: No One Knows

Random thoughts:
Afghan Whigs: Gentleman
Hum: Stars
Pete Yorn: Life on a chain
Chevelle: The Red
Janes Addiction: Just Because
G-Love???? - Hi, we are a local station not playing Philadelphia's biggest local artist?
Phish: Down with Disease
Our Lady Peace: Is Anybody Home


Reward the listener for listening, and please do not duplicate with More Mullet Radio...be your own station and you will win.

 

[SoulCrusher]

Good work on the list, Wexler. I don't understand why so many Alternatives shy away from Pinkerton-era Weezer - it's their best material and far better than that artistically vacant Make Believe junk. They should play some '80s RHCP (their last three albums just sound tired, IMO), more Radiohead ("Creep" is their worst song, easily) and why they're not on G Love, who knows? Maybe it's because of Clear Channel's infamous cookie cutter approach to radio.

Now they're playing "Slide" by Goo Goo Dolls. Sorry, but that song is Adult Contemporary all the way, as is anything from Dizzy Up The Girl and after. If you want to play We Are The Normal, Long Way Down, Only One, even Name - that's fine. But leave the soft rock songs to all the other stations that play them in Philly. If you're really giving Philly a choice, you can't just play the same old thing.