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Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

TheRob said:
I've heard KNXV's chopper was transmitting all the way to the ground. In the internet video, you can definitely hear a scream as they cut to the anchor. KTVK was reportedly cutting under KNXV while in the air, severing the blades.

In Kansas City, three of the pilots have an understanding to let one take the lead and let the others trail. The fourth doesn't cooperate -- I've seen him fly through our shot live on the air before.

I think I heard from the FOX 10 helicopter guy (either that or 5, but I believe it was 10) who said that the pilots of the stations have their own channel to talk to each other (which is normal in big cities with multiple media choppers). He said that he heard screaming coming from one of the choppers, whose microphone was live, all the way down. The FOX pilot was the most unnerved, because he knew instantly who it was and knew both pilots.

I do have some pretty strong opinions on what/where the problem is, but I'll say this for now: if there is a major car chase or big fire, the helicopters will be up there. You and I may or may not say for car chases it is useful, but here's the deal: there are MANY credible news stories where helicopter is very helpful in covering breaking news. Think 9/11, a plane crash, a large fire affecting many people (from traffic to loved one concerns)...and since they're up there covering traffic in the morning, everyone will swarm to accidents. So here's the deal: how do you handle it? How does L.A. and their dime-a-dozen car chases happen? Sounds to me like
they do what your guys do in KC, Rob...follow the leader. Matter of fact, I think when the OJ thing did happen, they were rotating choppers so that every station had an opportunity to get the shots they needed for their station.

The situation becomes more dangerous with slow car chases on city streets because choppers are moving slowly and thus must be able to maneuver over a nearly fixed location. And from all we have heard from eyewitnesses, it sounds like both choppers were too close, and flying directly above/below each other is dangerous, because you can't see the other guy. Experience and quality of your flying be hanged, when you have multiple choppers in the air over nearly the same location, the worst of accidents can and did happen to the best of people. May that be a lesson for all of us.

If L.A. and K.C. have an agreement between pilots, and I'm pretty sure L.A. does,
and a good one at that...I think it's past time for all markets to do the same thing. We don't need more regulation or laws, we just need to not kill each other by accident covering any type of story. That would be a great example for each market to do to leave a lasting great legacy in honor of those who died tragically in the accident today.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

As a former employee of KTVK, I'm deeply shocked to hear the news, which was just reported on television here in Slovenia, literally half-way around the world. My thoughts are with the families and everyone at KTVK.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

I was watching the broadcasts from both KNXV/15 and KTVK/3 and was saddened by the way this whole sad thing occured. One thing I wondered. Both KNXV and KTVK had extremely qualified pilots in the choppers. However, watching KTVK's coverage on "Good Evening Arizona", they mentioned that the Channel 3 helicopter was off-line for a time in order to retrofit their equipment for HD operation. I'm wondering if something installed during the retrofit could have had a major effect on the accident. Allegedly, the KTVK helicopter was too close and collided with the blades of the Channel 15 copter. No doubt, the NTSB will find out what occured. As for the man in the truck... he'll have to live with what he may have done. Let justice do its' job. My deepest condolences to the familes and colleagues of the victims of the crash.

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

Craig Smith was a pilot for 9 years at WXYZ in Detroit before moving to AZ. Very saddened for the loss.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

"As for the man in the truck... he'll have to live with what he may have done. "
____
Hopefully live in prison. Negligent Homicide works in this situation.
 
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hammondo said:
"As for the man in the truck... he'll have to live with what he may have done. "
____
Hopefully live in prison. Negligent Homicide works in this situation.

Definitely. Death Penalty won't hurt in this case.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

BBC news online has a picture of the two choppers going down.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

The man in the truck did not cause the accident.

5 helicopters hyping a nothing story and getting in the way of the police doing their job caused the accident.

Negligent homicide won't be charged. If someone was innocently in the line of fire in a shootout and got shot, that's negligent homicide.

The TV channels chose to crowd the skies with their choppers, and they didn't operate in a safe manner. They created the dangerous situation, where one didn't exist beforehand. If the guy in the truck caused a car crash that ended in a death then you have a point. The guy in the truck can't have an effect on what happens in the air.
 
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Fox News is reporting the guy WILL be charged w/4 counts of negligent homicide. The man DID cause the accident. Those choppers would be on the ground if he had not stolen anything. This is involuntary manslaughter.

A tv station corporate attorney would easily be able to make this charge happen.

The circumstance of negligent homicide is the death during the commission of the unlawful act and the causation is any act that triggers a chain of events, which lead to the death of another person. The result obviously is the death of this other person.
(Source; Black's law dictionary)
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Park

"Legend City" says the "choppers did not operate in a safe manner." WHO are you to judge what they did or did not do? How do you know ? Everyone seems to become an "armchair speculator" and jump to conclusions and criticize. The investigation will take months from the NTSB and authorities. It was obviously a tragedy.

You seem to spew nothing but negative comments. Before you comment and criticize NEGATIVELY wait for the facts to come in!

Geez, you think YOU'RE MAD AS H..L ?!
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

Nobody yet has even the first idea why it happened. The NTSB is just now looking into it; let them do their job. No sense in attempting to blame anyone right now.
 
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thirdtickket said:
"Legend City" says the "choppers did not operate in a safe manner." WHO are you to judge what they did or did not do? How do you know ? Everyone seems to become an "armchair speculator" and jump to conclusions and criticize. The investigation will take months from the NTSB and authorities. It was obviously a tragedy.

You seem to spew nothing but negative comments. Before you comment and criticize NEGATIVELY wait for the facts to come in!

Geez, you think YOU'RE MAD AS H..L ?!


Excuse me, but if they were operating in a safe manner, they wouldn't have hit each other would they? They crowded the airspace, got too close and crashed, that we know.

Not being negative, but being blunt, sorry you can't see that. There is no need for 5 news copters up, all covering a nothing story. If this were 2 copters colliding over filming Paris Hilton how would you feel about it?

4 guys died for a stupid story that everyone in the valley would have forgotten in a day, if that doesn't make you mad, nothing would.
 
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I think at this point, it is disrespectful for any of us to claim we know what went on up there.

Leave that to the NTSB.

4 people lost their lives and our attn should be focused on well-wishing to the families, coworkers and everyone else affected by this tragedy.

Lifes too short for petty fights like this.
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
I was watching the broadcasts from both KNXV/15 and KTVK/3 and was saddened by the way this whole sad thing occured. One thing I wondered. Both KNXV and KTVK had extremely qualified pilots in the choppers. However, watching KTVK's coverage on "Good Evening Arizona", they mentioned that the Channel 3 helicopter was off-line for a time in order to retrofit their equipment for HD operation. I'm wondering if something installed during the retrofit could have had a major effect on the accident.

I was just speaking to a friend of mine who is a photojournalist. He pointed out that, traditionally, the photojournalist becomes a second pair of eyes for the helicopter pilot. However, he said that the new HD equipment requires the full attention of the photojournalist (operation of a laptop computer, joystick, etc.). Therefore, you don't have that second pair eyes watching the other copters as closely. I wonder if this was a contributing factor...

And, in the continuing stream of bad news in Phoenix, our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the young police officer who was shot and killed last night.
 
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formeraa said:
Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
I was watching the broadcasts from both KNXV/15 and KTVK/3 and was saddened by the way this whole sad thing occured. One thing I wondered. Both KNXV and KTVK had extremely qualified pilots in the choppers. However, watching KTVK's coverage on "Good Evening Arizona", they mentioned that the Channel 3 helicopter was off-line for a time in order to retrofit their equipment for HD operation. I'm wondering if something installed during the retrofit could have had a major effect on the accident.

I was just speaking to a friend of mine who is a photojournalist. He pointed out that, traditionally, the photojournalist becomes a second pair of eyes for the helicopter pilot. However, he said that the new HD equipment requires the full attention of the photojournalist (operation of a laptop computer, joystick, etc.). Therefore, you don't have that second pair eyes watching the other copters as closely. I wonder if this was a contributing factor...

And, in the continuing stream of bad news in Phoenix, our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the young police officer who was shot and killed last night.

No doubt the last 24 hours have been horrible for the people of Phoenix, especially for the family and friends of the news copter crews and the young slain police officer. We can only hope and pray that the answers to these tragic occurences will be forthcoming. I've always thought very highly of the people of Phoenix, The Valley Of The Sun and the rest of Arizona, having visited there a few times myself. When I heard that all this was happening in Phoenix, I was truly saddened. My thoughts and prayers are with all Arizonans.

Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts
 
Re: Breaking news: Channel 3 & 15 Choppers collide & crash at Indian School Par

Legend City said:
The man in the truck did not cause the accident.
Maybe not,but if the idiot wasnt doing what HE WAS DOING,the accident wouldnt have happend!

He should be held accountable!
 
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Legend, please read the definition of negligent homicide in my post below - and then, tell me what your opinion is. You are not differing with me - but with the LAW.

The man in the truck is a thief. If poeple DIE when a crime is being committed that YOU cause - YOU are guilty.

The THIEF IS the CAUSE of the pilots deaths.
 
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