Bring Back THE MAYOR & MOES - The impact of Moes' passing on WRKO

[Varulven]

Can you imagine if Andy Moes had lived? WRKO would not have had Jeff Katz, Finneran, or Scotto.

Here's a plum of an idea (from a producer of a popular FM show from the 90s) which WRKO would be advised to
listen to:

Getting rid of the local news was a disaster for WRKO because everything else is going wrong for them (save their obtaining the Boston Red Sox).

His Honor the Mayor has a column in the METRO
http://www.metrobostonnews.com/us/article/2007/07/18/03/0936-72/index.xml

gee, we used to cross promote back at WCGY thanks to my hard work and honest efforts, ya think WRKO would bring back a segment called "The Mayor & Moes" in honor of Andy and have Tom Menino bring this
Metro column to the morning show?

Sure, to a logical mind, but not to Jason & Julie who seem hell bent on ramming their Titanic into the iceberg as many times as humanly possible...

 

[Smoke]

Wasn't Jeff Katz before Blute and Moes?

 

[Varulven]

good point, Smoke, it all becomes a blur at my age!

but at least they talk about me in the present tense
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/02/01/landing_big_names/

while, sadly, they talk about Andy in the past
Andy Moes obit from Mark Snyder
http://www.pmpnetwork.com/Boston_Radio_News.html

 

[TSBench]

ya think WRKO would bring back a segment called "The Mayor & Moes" in honor of Andy....
Sure, to a logical mind, but not to Jason & Julie ...

Ummm....bringing back a segment without the star? I bet that wouldn't occur to a lot of folks. I wonder why, when Brokaw called it quits, that NBC didn't bring back Huntley-Brinkley Report, only without Huntley and Brinkley. The used to be #1, donca know. Probably too 'outside the box' for those suits at GE.

gee, we used to cross promote back at WCGY thanks to my hard work and honest efforts,

Yes, it's good to remember that, no matter what the thread, its really all about you.

Regards,
TSB

 

[Smoke]

gee, we used to cross promote back at WCGY thanks to my hard work and honest efforts,

Yes, it's good to remember that, no matter what the thread, its really all about you.

Regards,
TSB

Winner!

 

[Varulven]

Actually, it's about Andy Moes and doing a tribute to him at RKO by bringing in a new co-host with
Tom Menino.

Since VB/Smoke and TS Bench can't read we have to clarify it for them.

The Mayor & Moes was a great show. Long after Bud Ballou from WMEX was dead there were
Bud Ballou nights in town, but I guess the idea of tipping the hat to a gentleman like Andy Moes is
too much for TS Bench and Smoke. They would rather attack the messenger, disrupt a thread,
and stray off topic than to stick to the point:

Was WRKO the better for losing Andy Moes? NO!

Should there be a segment on Finneran's Forum similar to Mayor & Moes - YES!

Should TS Bench and Smoke be sent to detention: YES

 

[TSBench]

Actually, it's about Andy Moes and doing a tribute to him at RKO by bringing in a new co-host with Tom Menino.

Then that's what you should have said. What exactly do you do, think in Esperanto but type in English?

And I'm sure whomever was chosen to be the cohost of a current events program would be thrilled to have someone who no longer walks amongst us have billing instead of him or her. Of course, in an ideal world, the Andy's ghost and Menino would sit around the mikes and talk about...well....you!

I don't think anyone here is surprized that nobody actually employed in radio programming has thought this one up.

Regards,
TSB

 

[Varulven]

Clearly, TSBench, you have nothing to add to this thread but insults.

Again, what impact did Andy Moes' passing have on RKO

b)Who would you pick as a host for a new version of the show - and it doesn't need the old name.

Can you answer the question or do you just like to distract people?

 

[bjohns]

I'm interested in Jeff Katz. I've heard in a few times and I thought he was good. Would he be welcome back in Boston?

Not that WRKO would ever hire an actual working, successful radio talent. The current strategy of throwing people on the air who don't know anything about broadcasting is working great.

 

[TSBench]

Clearly, TSBench, you have nothing to add to this thread but insults.

I think it could be more accurately described as derision.

Can you answer the question

Since I'd have no interest in airing a Menino program, I don't have to play along or give it any thought whatsoever. Without Moes, a unique talent who was probably (IMHO) the funniest guy ever on Boston radio, you don't have a show. Sometimes, you really can't go home again. So why waste time planning the trip.

or do you just like to distract people?

From what? Non-starter ideas?

Regards,
TSB

 

[Varulven]

Mr. Katz ratings were very, very low. If memory serves he was like #17 in the 12 Plus. Dreadful.

Finneran probably has twice the ratings Katz had so don't expect JK to be coming back to Boston anytime soon.

 

[bjohns]

Mr. Katz ratings were very, very low. If memory serves he was like #17 in the 12 Plus. Dreadful.

Finneran probably has twice the ratings Katz had so don't expect JK to be coming back to Boston anytime soon.

You may be right, but I just did a google on Katz and these two stories came up from spring, 2007:

"Some local Muslims are urging people to boycott advertisers of [Charlotte, NC} WBT's 'Jeff Katz Show,' saying the conservative radio talker insults their religion with 'hate-filled' comments on the air.

Katz, who is among the leading ratings performers in afternoon drive, rejected the group's characterization of his comments as bigoted. The Philadelphia native said he has merely expressed his frustration that too few Muslims have spoken out against terrorism."
AND...

"And in the latest Arbitron ratings, WBT was among the big gainers in the Charlotte market, coming in a tenth of a point behind the perennial No. 1, powerhouse WPEG-FM."

Like I said, I heard him on the West Coast and thought he was pretty good.

 

[Smoke]

Mr. Katz ratings were very, very low. If memory serves he was like #17 in the 12 Plus. Dreadful.

How much of that was being stuck with Darleen McCarthy's banter? She was a bad host with Katz, she was a bad host with the ripoff version of Two Chicks Dishing, she was a bad host period.

 

[Varulven]

Mr. Katz had months without a co-host that failed, so my response to your question that points the blame at Darlene McCarthy is that RKO clearly knew they had to make SOME move with Katz. Great hosts can always
overcome a sidekick. If McCarthy was as bad as your comment indicates you believe, would she have put
Howard Stern at #17 in the ratings? Hardly. Katz, like John dePetro, did not fit into this marketplace.

It happens in many industries. The powers that be take a gamble on a no talent at the expense of creative types who flourish in this community, talents who get ignored for imported garbage.

Here's a great non-radio example: Patricia Smith at The Boston Globe was shipped in and had to be shipped out. She was awful. Katz, like Patricia Smith, was a bad hire, plain and simple. That RKO gave him so much time in the incubator is the real question. But with Howie Carr now dissing the powers that be, we on this board are kind of vindicated.

The math here is excellent: We criticize Howie Carr and WRKO, Carr now criticizes WRKO (to the point where he is treating them like he treated his first wife, the woman he promised to love, cherish and take care of forever), and is walking out on them. So Carr now admits we've been right all along about WRKO, which means we are right about him.

You do understand that my opinion on this, Smoke, is in total disagreement with you. Let's look at Darlene outside of the Jeff Katz show. McCarthy and Vigue didn't get the same push that The Todd Feinburg Show gets (and has gotten), and if it did McCarthy would have received more traction. RKO didn't like having liberals on the air. We get it.

They were not "Two Chicks Dishing", thankfully, nor were they the "Track Gals" on 96.9 (which were better on radio than they are in print), but a progressive show a la Eagen & Braude that was refreshing would have been a winner.

Are you sure you just didn't want to hear progressive stuff? Virgin Boy squealing like a little piggy (shades of Deliverance!) on his show "The Pit" when Bush was bombing innocent Iraqi civilians five years ago more your cup of tea? Listening to VB was like watching the proverbial train wreck. It actually was entertainment that Feinburg fails to provide, though the audience was laughing AT VB. A man struggling to change his monker to Victor Bravo. File under: Howie's Monica

Darlene McCarthy has talent. Virgin Boy, Jeff Katz, Todd Feinburg do not. Oh they can get paid to mouth off an ideology, but that isn't talent. It isn't the ability to come up with a good skit, compelling script, and deliver it with impeccable timing. All it is, when you see it clearly, is the hackerama that Howie complains about.
"Evil knows Evil", as Dr. Smith says in LOST IN SPACE. It takes a Howie Carr to really understand the hackerama. He writes about it effectively because he is a product of it.

 

[radiotony]

He was a rightwing backside. I mean, attacking MLK? How low can you go?

I'm interested in Jeff Katz. I've heard in a few times and I thought he was good. Would he be welcome back in Boston?

Not that WRKO would ever hire an actual working, successful radio talent. The current strategy of throwing people on the air who don't know anything about broadcasting is working great.

 

[jane grant]

Jeff Katz had no audience and the ratings reflected it. Mayor Menino is a popular Mayor. Andy Moes was a popular host. WRKO is a lost cause.

 

[Smoke]

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Mr. Katz had months without a co-host that failed, so my response to your question that points the blame at Darlene McCarthy is that RKO clearly knew they had to make SOME move with Katz. Great hosts can always overcome a sidekick. If McCarthy was as bad as your comment indicates you believe, would she have put
Howard Stern at #17 in the ratings? Hardly. Katz, like John dePetro, did not fit into this marketplace.

Katz was successful before RKO and after, where McCarthy has thankfully faded into obscurity. Boston is a tough market to crack for outsiders. And don't forget Katz did OK for starting as a night show.

You do understand that my opinion on this, Smoke, is in total disagreement with you. Let's look at Darlene outside of the Jeff Katz show. McCarthy and Vigue didn't get the same push that The Todd Feinburg Show gets (and has gotten), and if it did McCarthy would have received more traction. RKO didn't like having liberals on the air. We get it.

Weren't the Wannabe Dishers on in the evening rather than middays? I don't recall evening shows getting that much of a push as midday hosts, except in the last hour or two of afternoon drive.

If RKO "didn't like having liberals on the air" they wouldn't have put them on the first place.

They were not "Two Chicks Dishing", thankfully, ... but a progressive show a la Eagen & Braude that was refreshing would have been a winner.

Two liberals agreeing with each other is not what Eagan and Braude is last time I checked.

Listening to VB was like watching the proverbial train wreck. It actually was entertainment that Feinburg fails to provide, though the audience was laughing AT VB. A man struggling to change his monker to Victor Bravo. File under: Howie's Monica

That show was pretty good from an entertainment aspect, but not really from a news standpoint (except when Col. Hunt was on). It was certainly better than hearing Moe Lausier do 60 hours of fill in work, and whatever syndicated tape-delayed stuff was normally run prior to the invasion.

Darlene McCarthy has talent. Virgin Boy, Jeff Katz, Todd Feinburg do not.

If Borlene McCarthy had talent, somebody would make her an offer she could not refuse to return to the airwaves. VB, Katz and even "I'm not Jewish" Feinburg have been and continute to be employed. Where Feinburg is in 6 months is anyone's guess, but he's on a sinking ship and if he's not hopeful enough to hang around for a shot at afternoons he's retyping his resume.

Oh they can get paid to mouth off an ideology, but that isn't talent. It isn't the ability to come up with a good skit, compelling script, and deliver it with impeccable timing. All it is, when you see it clearly, is the hackerama that Howie complains about.

Are we discussing Ron and Fez or WRKO here?


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[GovtMule1979]

How does Mumbles do a radio show? You won't understand any of it....and what is wrong with Ron and Fez? I say bring them to Boston morning drive and put them against pals O/A.

 

[TSBench]

How does Mumbles do a radio show?

I believe the idea was that the unique 'Seance' format would deliver listeners. ;D

Regards,
TSB