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Can somebody explain this to me? WGHC Clayton Ga/Charlotte??

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HHalland

How IS it tha an AM station at 1370 licensed to Clayton, Georgia (WGHC) can be considered operating under a contruction permit at 870 in Mount Holly (Charlotte) NC? It is not in the same state. It is not on the same or close frequency. One is licensed for full time in Georgia and the other is CP'ed at a daytime only station hundreds of miles away in NC. This is a NEW station. NOT a construction permit for an upgrade or anything else for an existing station. It would be like 1110/WBT changing thier city of licence to Myrtle Beach SC and moving to 550kc and claiming that it is still WBT. It isn't and wouldn't be. This is a sham. What is Mr Art Sutton pulling here? What will the little town of Clayton GA do without thier station? They won't be able to pick up the new station in Mount Holly. I was there in Clayton for the BBQ weekend and it is a very nice little town.

Thank You
howard halland
 
I think Mr Art Sutton is putting another fulltime radio station on in Clayton GA, because that's required by the rules that allowed him (and at least several other peops) to do what he's doing.

I might be wrong, but it was discussed for some time a while back on some other threads.
 
That's right! My understanding is 1370 is a daytimer. Mr Sutton moves it to Charlotte which will then open up 1400 in Clayton which he will then apply for to gain 24 hours. No one else can get 1400 as long as he operates 1370 in Clayton.

How/why he gets to move it to Charlotte is the real puzzler. The FCC is not allowing any so called "New Daytimers" so I guess it has to look like a move. Obviously it's a loophole of some sort but I don't get it either!
 
Maybe the FCC just has powers that us regular folk cannot begin to comprehend.
I'm sure someone somewhere made some money to get that loophole started up...
 
The first time I was aware of this moving of daytime licenses was during the last A.M. filing window which I believe was during the last week of January 2004. A couple of other interesting moves that were proposed included moving the station in Abbeville, SC to Nevada! Also, moving the daytimer in Dahlonega, GA to Lawrenceville, GA.

I don't know Art Sutton except by reputation from a distance. Would not recognize him if he walked through my office door, but have talked with him on the phone. If I were going to pick out some people and line them up for a picture and put a caption under the picture that these are the bad people that do damage to radio, I don't think Art Sutton would be standing in my picture.

In fact, if I were going to round up some people for a picture and and put a caption under the picture that these people seem to be innovative and may be helping radio find its way to integrity and usefulness to the public, I think I might want to include Art in THAT picture.

Now, the real question that maybe we should be discussing: IF, in capital letters...., IF there are TOO MANY radio stations in existence which in turn thins out the available audience and money so that too many stations cannot be stations of integrity and usefulness, how do we decide, WHO gets to decide which stations get to survive, and when stations die. Maybe we could start a new TV program called "Broadcasting Survivor". People could nominate stations to be part of the program. Each week we could then let the audience vote some stations off the planet.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
How/why he gets to move it to Charlotte is the real puzzler. The FCC is not allowing any so called "New Daytimers" so I guess it has to look like a move. Obviously it's a loophole of some sort but I don't get it either!
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This move qualifies as a "major change" for the existing WGHC license; it is indeed not considered a new station.

He could move the station to 870KHz while remaining in Clayton and that would of course be simply a "change" to the existing license. He could move the station to Toccoa while remaining on 1370KHz and that would of course be simply a "change" to the existing license. There's nothing to prevent him from doing both - changing both the frequency and the city - except for the engineering requirement to avoid interference to other stations. And there is no FCC limit to how far the station can be moved, again as long as no interference is caused. As long as it's an existing daytimer that's being moved, you can do it.

There have been a number of these filed lately. One, which has KELE moving from Mountain Grove, Missouri to Ripley, Ohio, was approved a week or two ago. (to keep things confusing, the tower will be in Kentucky...) One that appeared in the Public Notices last week has an Opp, Alabama station moving to Kanab, Utah. (1,550 miles)

Nor is this kind of thing entirely new. The station that's now known as KAAY moved from Hot Springs, Ark. to Little Rock. The station that's now WLBL in Auburndale, Wis. has lived in Waupaca and Stevens Point. WBBZ was a portable station that moved from city to city. (when the FCC decided not to allow portable stations anymore, WBBZ happened to be in Ponca City, Oklahoma - and decided to set down roots. It's still there.) KYW is of course known today as a major Philadelphia station - but it was originally in Chicago.
 
"WHO gets to decide which stations get to survive.."

This confuses me no end. WHO is licensed to DesMoines and is running 50KW at 1040, now why would this station make desicsions for radio stations huindreds of miles away? That would be like letting WGY in Albany make broadcasting desisions for Reno, Nevada. They are no where near there, and I don't think there are any interference problems. I may be wrong in this, but i'm pretty sure.

As I understand it Mr Sutton is keeping stations running and making money in his towns..so in my booklet of good people he would be a page in it.

thank you
Howard halland
 
O.K. The written word has its place, but sometimes one cannot write in such a way as to convey what the human VOICE would convey. See how I sometimes capitalize a word for emphasis? If we were using some other format I might make the word bold or put the word in italics.

I did NOT mean that radio station WHO in Des Moines gets to decide the fate of other stations and other frequencies. I was asking the philosophical question which has not been explored by some people participating in this topic. "Who gets to decide which stations survive?"

The FCC? Congress? The station owners? The NAB? The advertisers on Main Street? The bankers who make loans to station owners? The listeners who turn up their noses at the programming? (Or should that be turn DOWN their ears?)

All of the above play some small part.

In A.M. radio (antique modulation?) stations which are on at night face challenges and make challenges that are not part of daytime A.M. radio and are not part of F.M. radio. It is called skywave and a station like WHO in Iowa or KAAY in Little Rock or KOA in Denver bounce in at night hundreds, maybe even thousands of miles away, and under the "squatter's rights" written into communications law back in the 30's and 40's, these stations can demand that no station at a local level hundreds of miles away interfere with their 'big station' signal.

Obviously the prime instigator of whether stations live or die, thrive or decay are the owners... guys like Art Sutton who take the time to once in awhile think: "What if..... ". (There is a sneaky thought buried in there: some owners seem to never think!)

Helps if the owner is successful enough to pay the consulting engineers and communications lawyers to explore the possibilities of moves, exchanges, and deal making. Sometimes you go buy a station in another town and apply to change it's frequency or move the station so that you original station has some room to increase power or change to a better frequency.

Is it sneaky? Is it a loophole? Or is it old fashioned American ingenuity?
 
Bear in mind that one can only apply for this kind of major change during a specified filing window, the last of which was open very early in 2004. Also if anyone else files an application that conflicts with your proposed changed, it goes to auction and the highest bidder gets his granted.

The rules now allow you to change frequency and city of license anytime as a minor change, as long as your new facility would me mutually exclusive with your old one, as for instance the 1370 and 1400 in Clayton, GA.
 
No No NO!!! WHO's on first. WHAT is on 1340 in Philadelphia.
 
WHAT is in Philly, and WHEN is in Syracuse. Haaaah now I see what I did...I blew it big. WOW!

Wait....that's in Omaha! WHIP ME!...

Ahhhhh that's in Mooresville...

SLAP ME please..!

thank you
Howard halland
 
No...... WAIT is in Willow Springs, Illinois. But your right WHIP is in Mooresville. Oh I get it, WOW is in Omaha. Case solved. What I want to know is WHY.
 
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