CCU to push HD Radio on White House Press Secretary

[Savage]

"Rush maligns the industry."

Right. He "maligns" radio by attracting what, 25 million listeners weekly? He also virtually singlehandedly breathed a second life into AM radio circa 1988-1990. In countries that don't have a Rush Limbaugh, medium wave broadcasting is almost a historical footnote. Here, Rush spawned a whole generation of vibrant political talk, mostly on AM.

Disagree with his political views if you want. But don't let your belief systems contaminate this board. It's a discussion forum on HD Radio, and related technical, legal and regulatory issues. Not on whether Rush tweaks your personal convictions.

It's utterly beyond dispute that Rush has been, and is, good for radio, whether you like him or not.

 

[clouseau]

Well Said, Savage...

I am constantly amazed at the lack of understanding of the radio BUSINESS by many who post here.

If Al Franken or Randi Rhodes could actually pull a decent salable audience, they'd be national radio stars instead of trying to get a court to declare them an election winner or doing a local show in Miami. It's not about politics. It's about money.

Rush makes big bucks for Premiere and big bucks for himself. He does that by delivering an audience. Something that very few others can equal.

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

Well Said, Savage...

I am constantly amazed at the lack of understanding of the radio BUSINESS by many who post here.

If Al Franken or Randi Rhodes could actually pull a decent salable audience, they'd be national radio stars instead of trying to get a court to declare them an election winner or doing a local show in Miami. It's not about politics. It's about money.

Rush makes big bucks for Premiere and big bucks for himself. He does that by delivering an audience. Something that very few others can equal.

Clouseau

I thought Al Franken was great when he was on Air America. He was different from many of the rest of the blowhards from both sides in that he used humor frequently. I used to really look forward to him every day. I believe if he would have stayed there Air America would have slowly gathered steam.

 

[The Ultimate Warrior]

Well Said, Savage...

I am constantly amazed at the lack of understanding of the radio BUSINESS by many who post here.

If Al Franken or Randi Rhodes could actually pull a decent salable audience, they'd be national radio stars instead of trying to get a court to declare them an election winner or doing a local show in Miami. It's not about politics. It's about money.

Rush makes big bucks for Premiere and big bucks for himself. He does that by delivering an audience. Something that very few others can equal.

Clouseau

I thought Al Franken was great when he was on Air America. He was different from many of the rest of the blowhards from both sides in that he used humor frequently. I used to really look forward to him every day. I believe if he would have stayed there Air America would have slowly gathered steam.

You are the first person I ever have seen say that Franken was funny.

Here is a rule of thumb, if someone has to explain that they are funny, they aren't.

 

[clouseau]

I thought Al Franken was great when he was on Air America. He was different from many of the rest of the blowhards from both sides in that he used humor frequently. I used to really look forward to him every day. I believe if he would have stayed there Air America would have slowly gathered steam.

KB, I routinely lampoon your shallowness and lack of understanding of the radio business. I won't do that here. I'll merely disagree with you. I had high hopes for Air America. Imagine what AM radio could be if Rush, and Hannity, Savage and Beck had equal counterparts with an equal audience. I'm getting that tingly feeling up my leg. (Just like Chris Mathews).

But it was not to be. I NEVER found Franken to be funny. Or entertaining. Or even tolerable. And Randi Rhodes was such a head case, she couldn't remember if she had been beaten up and mugged by some right wingers or just passed out after getting drunk in a local bar.

I say with all honesty, you are the first person I have ever run into who thought Franken was funny on the radio. We brokered the first two hours on a local affiliate to run an experimental "Home Shoppong" type show after he had been on for a few months here. We got "ONE" phone call complaining about it.

His ratings were AWFUL.

IMHO his PRESENTATION was dreadful.

and IMHO he tried to act like he was way too funny for the room. And he was. For ANY room.

Franken, Springer, Rhodes, Garafalo, Lots of names. Apparently not too much radio talent.

Just more people that don't "Get" radio

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

KB, I routinely lampoon your shallowness and lack of understanding of the radio business.

Clouseau

Thanks for the big favor Clouseau, I have also routinely noticed your pompous, arrogant insensitivity, I have tried my best to never attack a person's perceived or real weaknesses, it has been especially hard with you. I guess when you're selling a bad product that's in the dumper it's much easier to attack the person who disagrees with you than directly challenge the assertions that they make. I know that English grammar and spelling are not your strong points so I will try to explain that idea in very simple terms so that you don't try to turn it around on me. I know that you don't ACTUALLY sell HD receivers; your bad product is your message about HD that you are selling, I hope that my meaning is clear to you. 73 and clear.

 

[Savage]

Gents, allow me to "deftly" contribute here while bringing the discussion back on-line with HD so as to prevent its being tossed to TIO or some other Purgatory for being "off-topic."

Air America was, and is, unlistenable. Their hosts tiresomely and repetitively preach to an empty stadium, since the left's constituents are largely not commercial radio listeners (they prefer NPR) and moderates and conservatives sample, listen for ten minutes, shrug their shoulders and tune out. Forever. Much of the AAR content I've heard - particularly Franken - consists of infantile name-calling (Clouseau thinks the childishness on THIS board is deplorable? The content here at its worst is vastly more intellectual than AAR, IMO.)

Some of the Jones left-talkers like Ed Schultz at least substantiate their allegations, cite sources, and offer thoughtful argument and credible guests (not that I happen to personally agree with the viewpoint, but that's me.) The AAR stuff sounds like slightly-slicked up college radio. It would be hard for any thinking person to give it much credibility. Which is why it's been such a financial disaster. You can't chant "Bush Lied, Kids Died" 24-7 and expect much of an audience; your "listeners" have to be capable of putting down the pipe long enough to get a job and buy something from your clients if you're gonna succeed.

If there is a product appropriate for HD-3 Air America would be it. Or maybe HD-4....

 

[pocket-radio]

"You can't chant "Bush Lied, Kids Died" 24-7 and expect much of an audience"
Agreed, Rush, Insanity & Ingram chant daily, Barack Obama is killing America and has an agenda. And glen beck chants, buy gold, arm yourself and build forts as the end is near..America is going to die, your money won't be worth anything.. CNN & Fox report all bad news all the time 24/7

Politics and opinions aside, I'm amazed when making sales calls on the streets, America is functioning. Some business are off from last year, while others are doing ok. At least where I live, you can still walk the streets of FL without being taken away to the democratic brain washing camps. Finding and keeping a job has been a challenge. FL had record bankruptcies. Maybe in Detroit where things are really bad is what Beck is chanting
about... With my own two eyes, I'm not seeing what they're chanting. For sure it's not great, but I don''t think any recession ever was.. And I'm a listener of the above parties and sell spots for newstalk radio.

I believe the media's constant negative chant in search of ratings, hasn't helped Wall Street, the recovery or instilled confidence in Americans. Barack's doom and gloom outlook hasn't helped either.
It's become a self fulling prophecy.

For what it's worth..

 

[clouseau]

Much of the AAR content I've heard - particularly Franken - consists of infantile name-calling (Clouseau thinks the childishness on THIS board is deplorable? The content here at its worst is vastly more intellectual than AAR, IMO.)

I agree wholeheartedly.

Some of the Jones left-talkers like Ed Schultz at least substantiate their allegations, cite sources, and offer thoughtful argument and credible guests (not that I happen to personally agree with the viewpoint, but that's me.)

That's because Jones "Gets" radio. They're radio first and politics second.

The AAR stuff sounds like slightly-slicked up college radio. It would be hard for any thinking person to give it much credibility. Which is why it's been such a financial disaster. You can't chant "Bush Lied, Kids Died" 24-7 and expect much of an audience; your "listeners" have to be capable of putting down the pipe long enough to get a job and buy something from your clients if you're gonna succeed.

I guess I "AM" a meanie. I couldn't go as far as "Slicked up". I thought they had some of the worst production values ever. And their "Have to take the whole day" syndicating formula was the only thing that kept HD radio marketing from being the "worst marketing plan in the world". (Time to throw the papers.)

If there is a product appropriate for HD-3 Air America would be it. Or maybe HD-4....

Don't sweat it, Bob. They're giving Montel Williams a show, now. I figuring that'll be enough to have you put on LibTalk in Rochester, right?

Clouseau

 

[clouseau]

Thanks for the big favor Clouseau, I have also routinely noticed your pompous, arrogant insensitivity, I have tried my best to never attack a person's perceived or real weaknesses, it has been especially hard with you. I guess when you're selling a bad product that's in the dumper it's much easier to attack the person who disagrees with you than directly challenge the assertions that they make. I know that English grammar and spelling are not your strong points so I will try to explain that idea in very simple terms so that you don't try to turn it around on me. I know that you don't ACTUALLY sell HD receivers; your bad product is your message about HD that you are selling, I hope that my meaning is clear to you. 73 and clear.

You're taking this personally, KB. Don't. There really is more to radio than just a listener's perspective.

As for my "Bad Product" is the message... then we should conclude that "I'm selling a bad sell job"?

You might be right, I guess I don't have the "Grammar" to get that.

And for the record, I guess I'm getting a lazy right hand, too. I "DID" spell "Shopping" as Shoppong.

Oh, Well.

Since you're in Mass, 88's back at ya.

de K5???

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

Thanks for the big favor Clouseau, I have also routinely noticed your pompous, arrogant insensitivity, I have tried my best to never attack a person's perceived or real weaknesses, it has been especially hard with you. I guess when you're selling a bad product that's in the dumper it's much easier to attack the person who disagrees with you than directly challenge the assertions that they make. I know that English grammar and spelling are not your strong points so I will try to explain that idea in very simple terms so that you don't try to turn it around on me. I know that you don't ACTUALLY sell HD receivers; your bad product is your message about HD that you are selling, I hope that my meaning is clear to you. 73 and clear.

You're taking this personally, KB. Don't. There really is more to radio than just a listener's perspective.

Yes I did, did seem kind of personal actually but I apologise for attacking you, i do learn from just about everyone on this board. I know that I know nothing about the radio business but I to my knowledge have never pretended to be nothing more than a listener.

As for my "Bad Product" is the message... then we should conclude that "I'm selling a bad sell job"?

I'm sure you know that the "bad product" that I'm talking about is your selling of the gospel of HD radio, but I think I'll just shut up about that for now.

You might be right, I guess I don't have the "Grammar" to get that.

And for the record, I guess I'm getting a lazy right hand, too. I "DID" spell "Shopping" as Shoppong.

Oh, Well.

Again that was rude of me and I apologize, I use my spell check quite a bit and my grammer can be quite fractured.

Since you're in Mass, 88's back at ya.

de K5???

haha! I'm sure you mean it, Do you still get on the air?

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

Gents, allow me to "deftly" contribute here while bringing the discussion back on-line with HD so as to prevent its being tossed to TIO or some other Purgatory for being "off-topic."

Air America was, and is, unlistenable. Their hosts tiresomely and repetitively preach to an empty stadium, since the left's constituents are largely not commercial radio listeners (they prefer NPR) and moderates and conservatives sample, listen for ten minutes, shrug their shoulders and tune out. Forever. Much of the AAR content I've heard - particularly Franken - consists of infantile name-calling (Clouseau thinks the childishness on THIS board is deplorable? The content here at its worst is vastly more intellectual than AAR, IMO.)

Some of the Jones left-talkers like Ed Schultz at least substantiate their allegations, cite sources, and offer thoughtful argument and credible guests (not that I happen to personally agree with the viewpoint, but that's me.) The AAR stuff sounds like slightly-slicked up college radio. It would be hard for any thinking person to give it much credibility. Which is why it's been such a financial disaster. You can't chant "Bush Lied, Kids Died" 24-7 and expect much of an audience; your "listeners" have to be capable of putting down the pipe long enough to get a job and buy something from your clients if you're gonna succeed.

If there is a product appropriate for HD-3 Air America would be it. Or maybe HD-4....

I have not had Air America available to me for probably two years except online and for a short time on XM who dropped them when they became Sirius XM. I had forgotten that my local station used several Jones personalities including Ed Schultz who I really liked and Stephanie Miller who I also liked although she was more of a comedian, Schultz was right to it. I still think Al Franken is funny, what can I say?

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Air America was, and is, unlistenable. Their hosts tiresomely and repetitively preach to an empty stadium, since the left's constituents are largely not commercial radio listeners (they prefer NPR) and moderates and conservatives sample, listen for ten minutes, shrug their shoulders and tune out. Forever. Much of the AAR content I've heard - particularly Franken - consists of infantile name-calling (Clouseau thinks the childishness on THIS board is deplorable? The content here at its worst is vastly more intellectual than AAR, IMO.)

Although I'd like to see some proof that lefties prefer NPR (those I know of that political persuasion definitely do not like NPR...too stuffy for them), AAR failed (and continues to fail) for one, and only one, reason: They let ideology trump entertainment. Rush Limbaugh didn't amass his large audience by simply reciting right-wing ideology like a broken record (how many of us are old enough to "get" that cliché?). He was, first and last, entertaining. AAR was not started up by people who understand how radio works and what it takes to gain listeners, and IMO hiring Al Franken is the best proof that AAR's founders simply don't get it. It's one thing to have a prepared comedy routine that lasts maybe 10-15 minutes, but that doesn't translate into the ability to be entertaining and compelling for hours at a time.

And as much as I dislike HD, putting AAR on an HD3 or HD4 would still be an insult to the 3 listeners who could actually receve it.

 

[clouseau]

I have not had Air America available to me for probably two years except online and for a short time on XM who dropped them when they became Sirius XM. I had forgotten that my local station used several Jones personalities including Ed Schultz who I really liked and Stephanie Miller who I also liked although she was more of a comedian, Schultz was right to it. I still think Al Franken is funny, what can I say?

Hey, what can I say. If you like him, you like him. On a personal level, I "Didn't" like him.

On a professional note, his ratings sucked. (But so did the show "Jericho" and I still liked it, personally)

Personal opinions vary.

BTW your Schultz/Miller take is right on IMHO. I actually mistook Schultz for a Limbaugh "Bit" at one time. While I disagree with Ed's takes, he get's it.

"Mazda, welcome to NASCAR" It could happen.

Clouseau