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Could Family Radio (Harold Camping's Stations) Be For Sale?
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They should have the FCC take away his license! I have nothing against Religious Programming. I am Catholic. I just don't feel that what they did was right at all. It was rediculous! People did lose their jobs, money, lives! Definately take the licences. Put KLove or something on it. I actually have listened to WAWZ-FM in NJ a few times it's ok. Funny-I heard a Lifehouse song on there! Lifehouse is mainstream?! haha.
It would be a stretch to "save" Family Radio at this point. It has both the unenviable image as both charlatans and possibly a cult in the eyes of the general public (including most Christians, some of whom are cleaning up the fallout of their Family Radio listening friends debacle.)
But sale? Well, they should LOSE their licenses in my opinion. What Harold Camping did in my eyes is absolutely NO different from what Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling did with Enron. They hyped something far beyond it's actual worth and it costed their employees and the people who believed in them everything. We didn't look at the employee/investors who lost everything with Enron and say "They got what they deserved". Like Enron, they used the people's own faith and trust as weapons against them. We didn't tolerate it with Ken Lay. We should not tolerate it with Harold Camping
The FCC should revoke the licenses. Period.
But sale? Well, they should LOSE their licenses in my opinion. What Harold Camping did in my eyes is absolutely NO different from what Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling did with Enron. They hyped something far beyond it's actual worth and it costed their employees and the people who believed in them everything. We didn't look at the employee/investors who lost everything with Enron and say "They got what they deserved". Like Enron, they used the people's own faith and trust as weapons against them. We didn't tolerate it with Ken Lay. We should not tolerate it with Harold Camping
The FCC should revoke the licenses. Period.
Bongwater said:
Look Mr. Camping isn't just in trouble in the USA, Mr Camping also has issues in the Philippines he exploited people in Metro Manila to block a freeway during the evening rush hour over there. remember in 1993 when KYLD 107.7's ManCow (Now Fox News Contributor) got busted by the CHP for Blocking the Bay Bridge during the morning Rush Hour. I think Mr.Camping needs to not only explain himself with US officials but also with Philippine officials over his stunts.
That isn't even the beginning......
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-palmdale-woman-attempted-murder,0,3939586.story
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-palmdale-woman-attempted-murder,0,3939586.story
R.D.P. said:
God wouldn't have picked that day because of the fact that Camping predicted the Rapture for then. I don't think God will put the Rapture on any day that someone is predicting, who might even accidentally turn out to be right.
And now a statement from Mr. Camping himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jzyydvPqwt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jzyydvPqwt4
If Harold Camping was Muslim and tried to predict Judgement Day from a politician's house in Pakistan. Everybody in the USA will take this as a 9/11 style threat and have the US Army and Marines bomb Mr.Campings hiding place. Except Camping is trying to use Bin Laden Tactics by doing scripted propaganda from his Various hiding places in Oakland and San Francisco.
There is an article in The Christian Post that Camping was offered $1 million to sell all his stations. The group in question has asked again about selling all the Family Radio Stations for $1 Million Dollars. The article is at:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/family-radio-gets-1-million-offer-for-66-stations-50531/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/family-radio-gets-1-million-offer-for-66-stations-50531/
richllewis said:
I don't know that offer and that article carry any integrity. $15,000 per radio station?
There is another flaw with the who scenario: what constitutes a radio station? I went to the FCC ownership report last filed by the Camping organization and there are not 65 radio stations, but including the satellites, satellators and whatever, there are 165 licenses at stake. That brings the offer down to about $6,000 per license.
Sounds like the people making the offer have about the same amount of integrity that the public thinks Camping has.
I consider Harold Camping to be a false prophet. The man maybe be way out there in left field somewhere, as he's totally misusing the Bible, telling folks that all churches are evil and to not partake in the sacraments of the church (Baptism or Holy Communion) and his date setting, etc. But he's not stupid, he knows what just one of his stations like WKDN-FM 106.9 Camden NJ/Philly is worth. There are numerous secular radio businesses that would love to get that powerful signal. The offer of a million dollars wouldn't even cover the value of WKDN much less his entire radio empire.
I do agree with GRC that Camping is just one of plenty fundamentalist's out there, Camping is the only one I know who offers dates, but Camping does have a way bigger megaphone than most, so he can do more damage. The Bible talks about false prophets. Unfortunately, there will be people sucked in who will financially support his rantings.
We can do little to stop him as this is a free country and as long as he doesn't violate any laws, the government won't bother him. For those of us followers of Christ, what we can do is pray, we can be ready and able to calmly and intelligently discuss the end times, etc, with anyone who's interested in talking about it so that we use that opportunity to share Christ with them and possibly help them to understand what the Bible really says. The rest is in God's hands, and he is in charge. Our job is to be faithful and serve our Lord Christ.
I do agree with GRC that Camping is just one of plenty fundamentalist's out there, Camping is the only one I know who offers dates, but Camping does have a way bigger megaphone than most, so he can do more damage. The Bible talks about false prophets. Unfortunately, there will be people sucked in who will financially support his rantings.
We can do little to stop him as this is a free country and as long as he doesn't violate any laws, the government won't bother him. For those of us followers of Christ, what we can do is pray, we can be ready and able to calmly and intelligently discuss the end times, etc, with anyone who's interested in talking about it so that we use that opportunity to share Christ with them and possibly help them to understand what the Bible really says. The rest is in God's hands, and he is in charge. Our job is to be faithful and serve our Lord Christ.
Mr. Mike said:Why not simply put each of the group's station licenses for sale individually? That sounds like a better idea than selling it as one batch of stations.
This whole thread strikes me a bit wistful. Mr. Camping isn't wanting to sell. We are discussing the fact that some organization made him a public offer to buy.... at a ridiculous price. Genuine buyers do not begin the process with a public offer... you approach privately.
If Mr. Camping is not interested in selling... (we have no indication that he is interested)... why are we even discussing selling as a complete group vs. selling stations "by the each"?
Second thought: following up on the previous comments by my friend MikeFromDelaware: How many threads are there in these forums about Camping? We have one poster going from topic to topic posting the same message multiple times.
I don't think you can name a church, religious organization or religious broadcaster who we cannot accuse of having some flaw in their philosophy, their theology. Is Camping's "flaw" so much greater than the flaws other religious groups wrap their arms around? Camping did a great job of "self defining" his weak-point. Much of the conversation in these multiple threads make it sound like Camping is the only guy in the world who has an identifiable vulnerability in his "game plan".
Why are we focusing on him while giving every one else a "pass"? I am NOT his defender. I am troubled that many of us have decided apparently that we can keep the world from seeing our own problems if we can keep pointing the accusing finger at Camping or some other person or group that paints a target on their own back.
If Camping is a problem to the group(s) that share his faith, why haven't they put the spotlight on him through the years before he could amass such a following?
I've said before that the people who set time frames are just as guilty as Camping, and so are the Christian stations who sell airtime to them. Also, there's the question of how much of the obsession with end times is a part of American Churchianity. Do Christians in other parts of the world have this obsession as much as American churches, and actually some denominations more than others?
In the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) that I'm in now, there isn't as much talk about the end times like there was in the Southern Baptist churches I was in, except when something like Camping's antics come up. But even then, most Southern Baptists aren't as bad about it as some other denominations who go almost to the extreme of Camping. And like GRC said, little or nothing is said about them.
In the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) that I'm in now, there isn't as much talk about the end times like there was in the Southern Baptist churches I was in, except when something like Camping's antics come up. But even then, most Southern Baptists aren't as bad about it as some other denominations who go almost to the extreme of Camping. And like GRC said, little or nothing is said about them.
Amen to that one!
I don't usually harp on the end times anyway.
All I'm trying to do is help Preach the Gospel and make a return to Radio broadcasting.
For those wondering where I do stand, I was into the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church but after doing so much studying on this issue, I no longer hold to that view.
I now consider myself as a Post-Tribulation Rapture kind of person.
(Meaning, I believe the Church will not escape the Tribulation at all.)
For more details about my views, check out this resource: Will The Church Pass Through the Tribulation written by, my Spiritual Father, the late Dr. William R. Crews.
You can obtain a copy, for your personal use, by visiting this site: http://www.theawakeninghour.org/onl...age=flypage.tpl&product_id=246&category_id=58
Unless someone asks me where I stand, I tend not to harp on the issue too much. Have more important things to do. Preaching the Gospel is one of them.
R.D.P. <><
I don't usually harp on the end times anyway.
All I'm trying to do is help Preach the Gospel and make a return to Radio broadcasting.
For those wondering where I do stand, I was into the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church but after doing so much studying on this issue, I no longer hold to that view.
I now consider myself as a Post-Tribulation Rapture kind of person.
(Meaning, I believe the Church will not escape the Tribulation at all.)
For more details about my views, check out this resource: Will The Church Pass Through the Tribulation written by, my Spiritual Father, the late Dr. William R. Crews.
You can obtain a copy, for your personal use, by visiting this site: http://www.theawakeninghour.org/onl...age=flypage.tpl&product_id=246&category_id=58
Unless someone asks me where I stand, I tend not to harp on the issue too much. Have more important things to do. Preaching the Gospel is one of them.
R.D.P. <><
The best stories are the true ones:
Some time ago, on a Christian talk show with a live audience, there was this little old lady being interviewed; she had helped a lot of people in her community. Problem was, she was scheduled between two men who were professors and experts in their fields. However, one guy held a pre-tribulation view of the Rapture and the other held a post-tribulation view.
Eventually, the subject of the Rapture came up and these guys got into a "discussion". She was sitting between the two, and not long after the "discussion" began, she reached into her purse and pulled out her knitting.
I'm not making this up (I was there on the crew.). You had a pre-trib professor and a post-trib professor getting into it with a little old lady in the middle of them doing her knitting. Finally, the host broke into the "discussion" and asked her what she thought about the subject.
She put her knitting down and said, "Well... I see we're gonna have 7 years of tribulation and 1000 years of ruling and reigning with Jesus Christ, and when I compare the 7 years to 1000 years, that 7 years don't mean nothin'."
The audience went wild. The professors just sat there. The host quickly introduced a song, and we had to scramble to get to the music set. The little old lady started knitting again - didn't miss a beat.
Some time ago, on a Christian talk show with a live audience, there was this little old lady being interviewed; she had helped a lot of people in her community. Problem was, she was scheduled between two men who were professors and experts in their fields. However, one guy held a pre-tribulation view of the Rapture and the other held a post-tribulation view.
Eventually, the subject of the Rapture came up and these guys got into a "discussion". She was sitting between the two, and not long after the "discussion" began, she reached into her purse and pulled out her knitting.
I'm not making this up (I was there on the crew.). You had a pre-trib professor and a post-trib professor getting into it with a little old lady in the middle of them doing her knitting. Finally, the host broke into the "discussion" and asked her what she thought about the subject.
She put her knitting down and said, "Well... I see we're gonna have 7 years of tribulation and 1000 years of ruling and reigning with Jesus Christ, and when I compare the 7 years to 1000 years, that 7 years don't mean nothin'."
The audience went wild. The professors just sat there. The host quickly introduced a song, and we had to scramble to get to the music set. The little old lady started knitting again - didn't miss a beat.
Has Harold even picked a "successor" to run Family Radio once he dies? It's obvious that his time left on Planet Earth is very limited, but given his hype of Earth's self-destruction, I doubt he's ever made that consideration.
Who takes over for the empire? A FR underling? A Camping estate executor? Harold's wife? Do they elect to keep the network, WYFR and satellite transmissions running, but sell off the stations?
What's a definitive is that Harold will soon go to the Great Inaccurate Calendar In The Sky (we call it Hell). Probably sooner than we think. But after that, it's all a mystery.
Who takes over for the empire? A FR underling? A Camping estate executor? Harold's wife? Do they elect to keep the network, WYFR and satellite transmissions running, but sell off the stations?
What's a definitive is that Harold will soon go to the Great Inaccurate Calendar In The Sky (we call it Hell). Probably sooner than we think. But after that, it's all a mystery.
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