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Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

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Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

Earlier this week (November 15th) The online broadcasting news website Boston Radio Watch.com reported that WODS-103.3 would suspend it's regular oldies format this Friday (November 18th) to go all-Christmas for the third consecutive year.

But instead, WODS made the flip around 8:55 A.M. EST this morning (November 17th).

I wonder if WODS may have decided to make the flip a day earlier than scheduled (based on what BRW reported) to prevent a competitor from making the flip before they did.

So far (10 P.M. EST November 17th), WODS is the only Boston-area radio station to have gone all-Christmas, so if they moved up their flip to head-off any potential competitor, that tactic may not have been necessary.
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

Or maybe BRW merely got bad info......

Or maybe their advertisers were pushing for the earlier start.....

Or maybe its a huge Oldies conspiracy and Oldies just wants us to talk about it for the next 38 days.
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> Or maybe BRW merely got bad info......
>
> Or maybe their advertisers were pushing for the earlier
> start.....
>
> Or maybe its a huge Oldies conspiracy and Oldies just wants
> us to talk about it for the next 38 days.

The only thing that's suspicious is really the time that they changed. Why did they flip at 8:51AM and not something at the end of a shift change. You know; Dale would finish his shift, do a legal ID, announce the 24/7 Christmas and start it off. If someone was listening and could make sense of how it happened(perhaps Dale announced the change and decided to play two songs?), then the events may fall into place.

However, what if that other station thought of making some format "magic" at 9:00AM??? Nah.

Infinity also flipped their Baltimore AC (WLIF 101.9) around the same time, and it looks like quite a few big ones will flip very soon. I read somewhere that powerhouse ACs WBEB/Philadelphia and CC's WLIT/Chicago are in the cards for tomorrow; does that mean that others like WLTW/New York, WASH/Washington, and KOST/Los Angeles could be on the way?
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> Or maybe BRW merely got bad info......
>
> Or maybe their advertisers were pushing for the earlier
> start.....
>
> Or maybe its a huge Oldies conspiracy and Oldies just wants
> us to talk about it for the next 38 days.

Or maybe it's because diarykeepers get their diaries in the mail on Thursdays, right?

EDIT: My 200th post, and it's smack-free. I feel like I wasted the milestone.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by MassMusicMan on 11/18/05 05:40 AM.</FONT></P>
 
No conspiracy

No conspiracy here, it was just the way it happened. Dale had the Burlington Mall Santa (which by the way is one of the best) as a guest in the last 1/4 hour of his show. Santa talks about the Holiday season and 'flips' the switch to kick of the music, plain and simple, the exact time had nothing to do with it.
Also, Yes.net had first song wrong: it was Johnny Mathis "It Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas.
BRW was feed the wrong info.


> > Or maybe BRW merely got bad info......
> >
> > Or maybe their advertisers were pushing for the earlier
> > start.....
> >
> > Or maybe its a huge Oldies conspiracy and Oldies just
> wants
> > us to talk about it for the next 38 days.
>
> The only thing that's suspicious is really the time that
> they changed. Why did they flip at 8:51AM and not something
> at the end of a shift change. You know; Dale would finish
> his shift, do a legal ID, announce the 24/7 Christmas and
> start it off. If someone was listening and could make sense
> of how it happened(perhaps Dale announced the change and
> decided to play two songs?), then the events may fall into
> place.
>
> However, what if that other station thought of making some
> format "magic" at 9:00AM??? Nah.
>
> Infinity also flipped their Baltimore AC (WLIF 101.9) around
> the same time, and it looks like quite a few big ones will
> flip very soon. I read somewhere that powerhouse ACs
> WBEB/Philadelphia and CC's WLIT/Chicago are in the cards for
> tomorrow; does that mean that others like WLTW/New York,
> WASH/Washington, and KOST/Los Angeles could be on the way?
>
 
ODS didn't want to be beaten twice?

ODS didn't want to be beaten twice; Jack-FM (alledgedly) and Christmas music?
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

I doubt that WODS pays attention to BRW.

Nothing is happening here that hasn't been happening for many years. WODS goes all-Christmas ridiculously early, first in the market. Others know better than to compete (if at all) until closer to Christmas when it's more appropriate. Business as usual.

> Earlier this week (November 15th) The online broadcasting
> news website Boston Radio Watch.com reported that WODS-103.3
> would suspend it's regular oldies format this Friday
> (November 18th) to go all-Christmas for the third
> consecutive year.
>
> But instead, WODS made the flip around 8:55 A.M. EST this
> morning (November 17th).
>
> I wonder if WODS may have decided to make the flip a day
> earlier than scheduled (based on what BRW reported) to
> prevent a competitor from making the flip before they did.
>
> So far (10 P.M. EST November 17th), WODS is the only
> Boston-area radio station to have gone all-Christmas, so if
> they moved up their flip to head-off any potential
> competitor, that tactic may not have been necessary.
>
 
why all the fuss?

didn't WODS go all-Christmas last year, too? Who cares if it was a day or a week earlier?


> Earlier this week (November 15th) The online broadcasting
> news website Boston Radio Watch.com reported that WODS-103.3
> would suspend it's regular oldies format this Friday
> (November 18th) to go all-Christmas for the third
> consecutive year.
>
> But instead, WODS made the flip around 8:55 A.M. EST this
> morning (November 17th).
>
> I wonder if WODS may have decided to make the flip a day
> earlier than scheduled (based on what BRW reported) to
> prevent a competitor from making the flip before they did.
>
> So far (10 P.M. EST November 17th), WODS is the only
> Boston-area radio station to have gone all-Christmas, so if
> they moved up their flip to head-off any potential
> competitor, that tactic may not have been necessary.
>
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> Earlier this week (November 15th) The online broadcasting
> news website Boston Radio Watch.com reported that WODS-103.3
> would suspend it's regular oldies format this Friday
> (November 18th) to go all-Christmas for the third
> consecutive year.
>
> But instead, WODS made the flip around 8:55 A.M. EST this
> morning (November 17th).
>
> I wonder if WODS may have decided to make the flip a day
> earlier than scheduled (based on what BRW reported) to
> prevent a competitor from making the flip before they did.
>
> So far (10 P.M. EST November 17th), WODS is the only
> Boston-area radio station to have gone all-Christmas, so if
> they moved up their flip to head-off any potential
> competitor, that tactic may not have been necessary.
>

Maybe BRW prompted them (but I doubt WODS pays attention to BRW) or maybe BRW had incorrect info. I doubt WODS is worried about anyone else going all Christmas since there is no history of any other station going all Christmas. <P ID="signature">______________
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</P>
 
Re: No conspiracy

> No conspiracy here, it was just the way it happened. Dale
> had the Burlington Mall Santa (which by the way is one of
> the best) as a guest in the last 1/4 hour of his show. Santa
> talks about the Holiday season and 'flips' the switch to
> kick of the music, plain and simple, the exact time had
> nothing to do with it.

That sounds like they started it off with class. Yes.com hints an abrupt change into Christmas.

Thanks for that info.
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> I doubt WODS is
> worried about anyone else going all Christmas since there is
> no history of any other station going all Christmas.

Star 93.7 tried Christmas music back in 2003. It failed miserably, especially because the music had absolutely nothing to due with the target audience. It didn't repeat in 2004, and it doesn't exist in 2005.

There's also rimshot signals like 96.5 and 105.1 that did Christmas last year, and may have easily picked up shares had WODS not flipped.
 
Re: No conspiracy

> > No conspiracy here, it was just the way it happened. Dale
> > had the Burlington Mall Santa (which by the way is one of
> > the best) as a guest in the last 1/4 hour of his show.
> Santa
> > talks about the Holiday season and 'flips' the switch to
> > kick of the music, plain and simple, the exact time had
> > nothing to do with it.
>
> That sounds like they started it off with class. Yes.com
> hints an abrupt change into Christmas.
>
> Thanks for that info.
>
No it was Colonel Mustard in the drawing room, with the candlestick.............YEEEESH, does anybody actually believe that Boston radio watch has any infuence on programming?.


Seriously now!.
 
Re: Could The Boston Radio Watch Article Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> > I doubt WODS is
> > worried about anyone else going all Christmas since there
> is
> > no history of any other station going all Christmas.
>
> Star 93.7 tried Christmas music back in 2003. It failed
> miserably, especially because the music had absolutely
> nothing to due with the target audience. It didn't repeat in
> 2004, and it doesn't exist in 2005.

What idiot thought of that idea? Wasn't Star a dance station?


<P ID="signature">______________
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www.freewebs.com/radiostuffandnews
</P>
 
According to WODS... Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

I read somewhere that Pete Falconi stated the audience enjoys the Christmas music. Checking the Arbitrons I cannot disagree with him - the numbers are the best for the Fall and Winter books. I'd like to think the Concerts on the Esplanade get the summer people writing in their books and it carries over to the Fall - which is a distinct possibility. Brand recognition is what drives the books many times (unless a book falls into the hands of anyone on this board! Usually the public is not aware of the value of even one book).

Personally, WODS goes back on my dial around Christmastime - I think another
poster said something to that effect too. Real music fans are going to want something different - and Sirius is offering 2 free weeks in honor of Howard

Guess now's the time to get serious about Sirius

p.s. Anyone see Yesterday's Globe article on the woman who invested in
Sirius and her legal woes? Page 1 of the Business Section.

> > Earlier this week (November 15th) The online broadcasting
> > news website Boston Radio Watch.com reported that
> WODS-103.3
> > would suspend it's regular oldies format this Friday
> > (November 18th) to go all-Christmas for the third
> > consecutive year.
> >
> > But instead, WODS made the flip around 8:55 A.M. EST this
> > morning (November 17th).
> >
> > I wonder if WODS may have decided to make the flip a day
> > earlier than scheduled (based on what BRW reported) to
> > prevent a competitor from making the flip before they did.
>
> >
> > So far (10 P.M. EST November 17th), WODS is the only
> > Boston-area radio station to have gone all-Christmas, so
> if
> > they moved up their flip to head-off any potential
> > competitor, that tactic may not have been necessary.
> >
>
> Maybe BRW prompted them (but I doubt WODS pays attention to
> BRW) or maybe BRW had incorrect info. I doubt WODS is
> worried about anyone else going all Christmas since there is
> no history of any other station going all Christmas.
>
 
Re: According to WODS... Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

Yes--WODS may lose some listeners (perhaps mostly men?) but they'll have
others either dipping in from time to time or listening for extended periods
of time. Listeners get their Yuletide fix; advertisers get their message out,
and maybe they'll win new listeners who might stick arond after the holiday
is over. (Me, I put WOKQ country on that pre-set.)

Anyone ever put together Christmas compilations of their own, or get some from friends? Some can be holiday "dusties" (R&B, country, etc.) brought back to life while Christmas comedy and related stuff can also be entertaining. Like the "read by the author" John Waters National Lampoon article "Why I Love Christmas", which also appears in the book (and book on tape) Crackpot.

"...(portraying Santa Claus as a boon to the unemployed because "Where else can drunks and fat people get temporary work?") and pithy suggestions ("Forget 'White Christmas,' 'It's a Wonderful Life' and all the other hackneyed trash. Go for the classics: 'Silent Night, Bloody Night,' 'Black Christmas' or the best seasonal film of all time 'Christmas Evil' -- 'He'll sleigh you')"
 
Re: According to WODS... Have Prompted WODS To Go All-Christmas A Day Earlier Than Reported??

> Anyone ever put together Christmas compilations of their
> own, or get some from friends?

My former weekly slot on the "Lost & Found" 1960's/early 70's music show on volunteer non-commercial WMBR at MIT in Cambridge fell on Christmas day in 2003.

I pre-recorded the show because I was out working a paid job (not in radio) on Christmas day. Here's the playlist:

Hour 1:
(Talkover intro music bed: Jorma Kaukonen - "Downhill Sleighride")

The Electric Prunes - "Angus Dei (Oh Lamb Of God, Grant Us Peace)"
The Bee Gees - "Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Show You"
Procol Harum - "A Christmas Camel"

Cream - "Wrapping Paper" (for opening presents)
Cream - "Take It Back" (for at the mall the day after)

Tom Lehrer - "A Christmas Carol"
The Smothers Brothers - "Santa Claus"
Mott The Hoople - "Death May Be Your Santa Claus"
Martin Mull - "Santa Doesn't Cop Out On Dope"

Roy Buchanan - "The Messiah Will Come Again"
Johnny Winter - "Please Come Home For Christmas"
John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers - "Christmas '71"

Leon Russell - "Slipping Into Christmas"
Jethro Tull - "A Christmas Song"

Hour 2:

Arlo Guthrie - "The Pause Of Mr. Claus"
Jimi Hendrix - "Little Drummer Boy/Silent Night" (instrumental)
Jefferson Airplane - "Good Shepherd"
Hot Tuna - "Santa Claus Retreat"

The Who - "Christmas" (from "Tommy")
Neil Young - "Star Of Bethlehem"
John Prine - "Christmas In Prison"
Joni Mitchell - "River" (opening lyric: "It's coming on Christmas...")

Laura Nyro - "Christmas In My Soul"
Simon & Garfunkel - "Silent Night/7:00 News"
The Band - "Christmas Must Be Tonight"

I retired from the show after 22 years in September 2004, so this was my last Christmas show.
 
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