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Could this mean the end to small market radio?

You can read the public comments yourself by going to this link. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov//prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi Just type in 04-233 where it says proceding.
If you want to see all comments leave everything else blank. You can also search by state or zip code.
I'm sure the FCC would rather make their choice after reading this thread instead of what they have to go through. Have fun!
 
kenhawk1160 said:
More than that, the board's input should only apply to non-music program content. That includes, but is not limited to, news, sports, public affairs, and to some degree, the content of commercials. A station in Jonesboro, AR was fined $4,000 recently for a Hooters ad involving golf "put your balls on our t's". It might not mean a big deal to me in the northeast, but in the buckle of the Bible Belt, the FCC smite! Any input relative to music, if it absolutely must exist, should be limited to the seven dirty words found in the lyrics.

Not quite. The FCC agreed with the station that the Hooters ad was not indecent. The station was fined for airing a commercial for the Missouri Lottery when the station was doing a remote across the border in Missouri. Arkansas does not have a lottery. So, stations licensed to Arkansas can't air lottery ads. About 10 years ago, 93.7 in Elizabeth City, NC changed its city of license to Chesapeake, VA for this very reason. They got fined for airing several Virginia Lottery ads, and most of their audience was in Virginia anyway.
 
virgilstreetnc said:
This is a private business. If you want all the strings, committees, rules, regulations and all that prevent a profit, all your little small town operations will not only go dark, but even someone with no regard to profit won't even be able to keep them on the air.

Then there will only be large market 100,000 watt stations playing nelly, or it will lead to nothing but a network of NPR stations.
This thread was meant for SMALL MARKET. If you have no experience working in small market, how about railing on corporate radio in another thread. There are numerous threads here for you to complain about the greedy large market owners.

Do you mean complain elsewhere AFTER you're finished complaining about large market radio? Your comments are the reason why we SHOULD be concerned about larger operators ... those with the money and means to jump a few more hurdles regardless of the regulation who will just add the former independent stations to their clusters and meet (but not exceed) localism rules.

The larger operators are also the target of the complaint for which the FCC is considering solutions. The trouble is, the solution harms the small operator more than the big.

BTW: This thread is in the Indiana forum so perhaps the scale needs to be adjusted, what is small market and what isn't? There are clusters all over the state ... as well as independent stations and out of state controlled operations. That's the lens I'm using, how about you?
 
I don’t believe the “problem” is merely TelCom ’96. Many provisions in that bill were productive – as were initiatives by the FCC that preceded it... UNTIL they were “embellished” by shameless self-promoting corporate broadcasting—which sought to push the limits – then were approved by a Bush Administration FCC on a perpetual “coffee break” in regards to the PRIVATE [NOT PUBLIC] interest of corporate radio. Can ANY of you TRIPs [Terrestrial Radio Industry Patriots—my creative label for patent corporate radio apologists] faithfully recall ANY measure in favor of corporate radio that was resisted, or even seriously questioned by the regulatory agency in the last seven years? Are you scraping your heads for an answer? ...Let me un-complicate your life and answer—NONE! This is the problem—thus "BIG RADIO" IS OUT OF CONTROL... A dog minus a leash - roaming around creating mischief and looking for a place to pee - usually on someone else's property :mad:

If our government didn’t outlaw, prosecute, and jail bank robbers – would it be wise to speculate that MANY MORE would consider that egregious act – either out of desperation or a simple desire to advance their position? The answer is obvious! Such analogy could be reasonably superimposed upon the very competitive large market radio biz? The answer [again] is clearly—YES! They have become intoxicated with the business model that demands a “cluster”—a FULL stable so to speak at ANY cost [too-bad for Connersville]. Here’s the mitigating circumstance when service to the “people’s property” [a radio frequency] is compromised... It is clearly appropriate that the regulatory agency DO IT’S DUTY – and REGULATE. There was NO EXCUSE for the CCU/Fargo affair... They controlled a virtual monopoly in that market, yet chose to “save bucks” by NOT manning the ship after midnight, and hope nobody would notice! They got cought - as most do when they drop their drawers :-[

The Bush Administration FCC has been clearly derelict to its duty to BOTH the people AND the industry. BTW, I’m a Regan Republican – so spare me the anti-business dribble! Corporate radio has worn out it's deregulatory welcome mat... ‘Time for the “free pass” to EXPIRE.

I’ll wait for the predicted attacks to become more specific with my rationale.
 
During President Regan"s term, the FCC was very open to the people. You could walk right in to the Chairman's office.
He would assign an aide to help you with any problems. It was a good time for changing FCC rules and starting new
radio stations. Hippo, you told the truth.
 
The two above thoughts really nail it... I still find some 'Reaganite' helpers when I call... But, they are overwhelmed by the lack of support they get from a over-controlling congress that does not trust them, but corporate owners, an administration that has no concern for the air-waves and spectrum and commissioners with nothing but a party line political agenda... ;D
 
Skippert, I feel this requires a slightly more complicated conclusion than mere “party line politics”. Granted, the Dems would like to harness radio [they LOVE to harness ANYTHING]... The antithesis is the current “free-for-all” tolerated by the Bush Administration FCC, which has taken any facsimile of regulatory oversight off shameless self-promoting corporate radio. It is patently-obvious that neither is (or will) serve the public interest!

I purchased my first radio station at the beginning of the Fowler FCC. I celebrated my anticipated “liberation”, BUT I kept my new freedoms in tow. I conducted my business with the understanding that Mr. Fowler’s reg-loving predecessor was still my judge. I didn’t pursue extra liberties or “stretch” and convolute the rules. Clearly, corporate radio in this new millennium has NOT adopted or followed my logic! “Give an inch – and they’ll take a hundred miles” seems to be engrained in their culture. The losers are twofold – the people first – AND any aspirant to join the fraternity of broadcast ownership, second. The “Three Cs and then-some” have bid-up the entry fee for radio station ownership in much the same way that those who “trade” the gas you need to make your way to work and the grocery have. Who ends up unfulfilled and distressed? ...The “regular folks” – or in the radio case – the people living under the tower in a community that has been cast aside by corporate radio so they can enhance their cluster in the Big-Town.

A point will soon arrive where something HAS to give... The marketplace has NO long-term toleration for the superficial. Alas, big corporate radio is LOSING IT... Look at their stock value... Crash ‘n burn IS NOT beyond just a simple cliché when describing their miserable performance. Consider this irrefutable FACT: for the first time since Fibber McGee and Molly, they have failed to compel a youth demographic—essential to the current and future vitality of this industry. STOP blaming-it on the iPod – it’s simple incompetence and arrogance, Charlie!

I am opposed to the “man your rig 24/7 rule”, but I can’t dismiss the virtual monopoly in Fargo that decided NOT to pay an overnight operator when they were a PRIMARY EAS originator... This is a blatant case of Clear Channel living-up to their well-deserved reputation as “Cheap Channel”—all-the-while as the Mayes family makes millions. Should CCU’s violation of public trustee status mandate that tiny 1580 WIFE Connersville be forced to hire an operator while playing the Mamas ‘n Papas for all 100 fans working the third shift as that station cranks out a mere 5-watts? NOT! BTW, Connersville is in that predicament because their FM facility was hijacked, moved 60-miles, and downgraded so Radio One could add to its stable in Cincinnati. This is the most outrageous example of the FCC on a corporate radio-directed “coffee break”!

Neither do I agree that a rulemaking that mandates that ALL studios be moved back to their COLs could be productive. Pandora is out of that box, and I’d challenge anybody to put her back in and not invite unintended consequences. Earlier in this thread, Renda Broadcasting’s operation in Indiana County, Pennsylvania was cited. I am familiar with that scenario, and can assure you that the local markets there are being served well. Tony Renda later purchased his way into the Pittsburgh market off the profits of his “hometown service”. Since the 80’s, he has been a “player” in the ‘Burgh, but he has retained ownership in the market that gave him his start. Some trivia: Renda’s first station in metro-Pitt was 1360 WIXZ McKeesport [a Pitt suburb]... Back in the early 70s, this was the station that allowed Rush to liberate himself from the clutches of Withers Broadcasting in Cape GarageDoor, Missouri. Closer to home, let’s consider the operation of Lake Cities Broadcasting in Angola, Indiana. For THREE DECADES, WLKI has been a model for exemplary small-market radio. Later, they built stations in Lagrange, IN and Montpelier, OH [adjacent to Steuben County, IN]. They operate these stations from a BEAUTIFUL facility in Angola. Would you purpose that Lake Cities be forced to establish “independent operations” in markets that CAN’T support such? Confronted with that choice, Lake Cities just may say: “Hell with it” – sell the stations to ones that would run them from the unused bedroom of their house. WHAT would be gained in this? The culprits here ARE NOT Tony Renda or Lake Cities!

This whole proposal seeks to slap a poorly-adhesive band aide on a much bigger problem. My alternative suggestion is to reinstate retroactive ownership caps at the local AND NATIONAL level. CCU and Cloud – call in the brokers and sell-sell-sell – you're TOO big and insensitive to your markets. Let’s bring back the 80s and start enjoying the radio industry again!
 
Hippo... Your above breakdown should be published in Radio-World.. Excellent historical breakdown of what has and is occuring.. On my thoughts.. I really was only going back to the past two appointments of head honchos in the FCC building.. Very un-impressed by GWB's picks.. Fowler was a true RADIO BACKGROUND GUY... And YES, the abusers have shown themselves since the loosning of the rules for COL, tower locations, and studio-file locations.. "13-Q".. Now that's going back! And to think Sam Holman was the anchor of that hard-driving 'get-er-done' Top-40 of the era (a favorite on the sound end)... I do think the overpriced radio-real estate that is falling in value, will give some a chance to see a dream and some communities a chance to have real localized or regional station (in the long run)... Yes, the selling out of Connersville's FM is a great example 'no holds bar-weak game rules' to abandon small town service for the big city lights.. Remember LPFM is just a non-com service with limited abiliity.. It cannot provide a voice to the merchants of a small area and has the least coverage of any service at this time (At least a full blown translator has 150 more watts at 30 meters and gets another mile out in the 60..)... Just got a call from a GSM and GM of a 5kw AM Christian Talker that was bought by the parent group for way too much money and they've been dumping money into it from the get go, to make it half-way marketable.. But, still have major tower light issues...Transmitter building is old and way out of local building codes and certain materials are still oozing in and around the complex.. Their parent flagship won't let them stream or pay to stream and yet they want more dollars for air-time from their client ministries who depend on the stream to make it cost effective.. They dumped a load on buying the land at the x-mitter site...The balloon scale rent was getting out of hand... The night pattern is 40 years out of date to the population and the station needs to seek a new one tower site and downgrade to 500w ND-N to really hit the population core (they are 1kw DA-N with 35 to 40 % of the metro out of the primary lobe)....What this equals is that they cut salaries off to the GM and GSM and made commisions 25%.... But, who wants to buy a regional AM in market 160-something and pay for air and no stream and a station that shows about every third book with a .5 or does not show at all? I see a fire sale coming....Their per-inquiry shows are taking over! Buy this stuff made from some wacko and be healthy! Real credibility issues! Someone start the turntable in the old building and let's hear The Ohio Players with "FIRE"... :p
 
Again this is an election year. Many at the FCC are now preparing to go out into the private
sector. They will soon be attorneys and broadcast consultants.

Usually it takes the FCC ten years to adopt new rules and policies. So we probably don’t have to worry
about this till 2018. Will we even care about 04-233 by then?
 
Skippert... As we get older – we forget stuff [no slap—it happens] – especially when calls and freqs are involved. 13Q is now WJAS at 1320 [and the former home of the recently-departed Jackson Armstrong] :'( They have a great Sunday night “backseat lovers” 50s/60s format. They are one of the few Class 3s that still cover the entire metro at night – you can easily hear them in Indiana after dark. Rush worked at “Wixy-1360” [WIXZ] – next metro Pitt space down on the dial. It had this irritating null required to protect WSAI in Cincy that caused it to be weak in the west-Pitt burgs. It ultimately led to their demise as the population moved westward. Did you know that WIXZ has TWO antenna sites? The daytime site was moved to downtown Pittsburgh (single tower)... The nighttime directional site remains in McKeesport. BTW, I love AM radio... BTW, I HATE IBOC!
 
PT... ‘Looks like a mad scientist with an AM engineering program is at work. SIX TOWERS... OMG... WHO would build THAT for daytime-only status in 2008 :D :D :D ‘Could this be an admission that few listen to radio after dark... SAD! ...But I did say the 1360 nighttime skirt there now longer fits the bod ;) I have this itching notion, though, that CCU/Cincy [ESPN 1360] might be behind this, so as to relax their nighttime pattern and better-serve the fast-growing east-Cincy 'burgs... HUMM ???
 
TimeWarp... This is more nonsense and further testimony to my past posts on this thread. WHAT? Has Kelly run out of sorority sisters who have boyfriends who can buy time from her? That’s harsh [sorry], but roll the clock back a decade, and you may be able to relate. WGLM – ONCE was a diamond in the ruff – now it’s to be brokered as a “translator”? OMG, this is SAD. I’d come to that market tomorrow, take control 0f 106.7, and aggressively reposition a once-interesting and decent AC station – and do some damage to S-Com! I have a bit of experience doing damage to S-Com – nearly TEN years of it! Actually, I have a few friends there – just a few :D Has Lafayette radio digressed to the point that such is not possible? I think I doubt it!

Sometimes, I can’t believe what’s happening in Indiana radio, but then my “big ‘n bad” former home in that state is in shambles [courtesy of AMP]...SO ::)

This is all about sheer mismanagement... There is NO other description that cuts muster!

Back to topic... Uncle Sam needs to lower the hammer on corporate radio! 'Proof is in the poor listening :'(
 
Interesting read on WGLM's Main Studio Waiver. Auxiliary studio? Really? Wonder where WOKL's auxiliary studio is here in Ohio? I know KLove's "local" person is one guy who travels Cincinnati and Dayton raising money. Then again, none of the local operators (I think over here in Dayton we have more Christian stations per capita than many other markets) would have ever considered doing CCM..they all run the same set of preachers and soft music between the preacher shows. I have a lot of friends who listen to KLove. I want to say KLove should go...but then I hesitate because a lot of my friends will lose what they enjoy listening to. Some are even financial contributors.

I'm familiar with WLKI and they have always been first class. I really haven't heard their other stations but I have no doubt they are doing what they need to do and the market is being well served without their being studios in the other little towns.

Is it possible everything having to do with the changes in radio aren't so black and white (before 1996..good. After 1996...bad). I would contend some degree of consolodation was neccessary, but not the feeding frenzy that it became where there was no forethought and Clear Channel and others gobbled up everything in sight. No one knew how to run 1200 stations. I can remember working in some of those mom and pop stations..and how we wished some bigger operator with some deeper pockets would come in, upgrade the equipment, have more money for promotions and, maybe even have a clue! Well, the big operaors came in and we have our current situation, now we long for the old mom and pops, of which we'd still be on this board complaining (remember the thread on the Anderson/Muncie cluster? It turned into a flame war.).

The Connersville situation was ridiculous especially since the signal was not replaced by something comparable (at least a 6k FM). I'm not so sure the Piqua move to Cincy should happen. Then again, will Piqua complain when the allocation goes?

Retroactively installing ownership caps: Count on it being in court until we're all too old to care. It's nice to think that we'd just revert to the 1970s or 80s, but to do that you'd have to interest insurance companies or financial institutions in buying 12 stations in 12 markets and staffing all of them. I'd contend it's not likely. If the feds really could force the CCs of this world to sell their stations at a loss, and former DJs could conceivably buy them all, there's still a couple of problems. Unless the former DJs are independently wealthy, someone has to either put up investment capital or a bank has to loan money to buy and operate these stations. What bank in their right mind is going to loan money to buy a station that has essentially been seized by the government, when that same government could seize it again and force another sale. Also, don't think lending institutions don't know there are such things as hard drives, satellite programming, etc. I read about a broadcaster who presented a business plan to a bank to buy a station with a full load of DJ salaries, and he was promptly told he was to get rid of the DJ salaries or forget about the loan.

Can we all acknowledge maybe there just aren't any real easy, pat answers?
 
Who tells the people of a town that they are about to lose their radio station? People in Connersville woke to static.
Do you think the Piqua newspaper well let them know? No, they will be glad to see the competition go. How about WHIO?
Nope. It will be a big surprise!!!!
 
hipporadio said:
Back to topic... Uncle Sam needs to lower the hammer on corporate radio!


Yep ... can they please do that without independent local stations being hit harder than the corporation?

It is like the large stations have shells like a coconut and the small operators have shells like eggs. The FCC is considering a hammer that is big enough to crack open the coconut - but not destroy it. What happens when you hit the egg with that hammer?

The solution needs to fit the problem ... the current proposal does not solve the problem.
 
Timewarp said:

The sad part is that since they plan on having an auxillary studio somewhere in the area the only cost they are saving are the salaries of two people. They could be "legit" without waiver if they would just spring $60k a year for a couple of people.

The claims in that waiver request are laughable ... if they were funny. Have a local person, possibly a volunteer find out what community issues are and somehow those issues would be covered by the main station? That issues list is likely to be VERY generic - and any programming that responds to the issues even more so.
 
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