Counties with Cities of License but no transmitter sites?

[easttxtv]

Would KYTX/19 qualify? It's COL is Nacogdoches (Nacogdoches Co., TX), the station now broadcasts from Tyler (Smith Co.) and the stick is in Cherokee Co., SE of Jacksonville.

KFXK/51's tower is near Overton, whose urban area sits on the Rusk Co./Smith Co. line, while the station and COL is in Longview (Gregg Co.).

The other stations' COL in the market are in the same county as their sticks.

 

[BRNout]

The city of Boston is contguous with Suffolk county, Massachusetts (though most people living there couldn't tell you that!) Most of Boston TV stations transmit from a tower farm that is just outside the city limits (and therefore outside the county limits also.)

[at the risk of hijacking the thread]

If by "contiguous," you mean it and the city of Boston cover the same area, you are not correct. Suffolk County includes Chelsea, Winthrop and Revere - in addition to the city of Boston. However, when certain communities were annexed into Boston (i.e. West Roxbury, Hyde Park), they changed counties from Norfolk to Suffolk. Which is why you have Brookline as an island of Norfolk county that is surrounded by Suffolk county on three sides and Middlesex County to the west. All of Boston is in Suffolk County, but the reverse is not true.

Of course, counties in Mass. are a state of mind only....there's no county government to speak of. I think they're only used for judicial purposes. Everything else is done on the municipal (town or city) or state level.

The aforementioned Route 128 antenna farm is located in Needham (Norfolk County) and in Newton (Middlesex County) - straddling the town/county line. The area is located about 8 miles WSW of downtown Boston.

 

[IdentityProgramming]

Both WJAR-TV,WPRI-TV and WNAC-TV are licensed to Providence, RI yet all three stations have their transmitters about 15 miles away in Rehoboth, MA. WLNE-TV has their digital transmitter there as well. The ONLY station licensed to Providence with a transmitter in RI is the Public Broadcasting Station, WSBE. WLNE-TV the abc affilliate, has their transmitter and antenna in Tiverton, RI but are licensed
to New Bedford, MA. They have a less than adaquate signal in Providence, which is part of their lousy ratings problem.

I grew up outside Providence and was a weather coorespondent for two Providence TV stations in the 70's and 80's. That's how I know this.

Gary Begin
Identity Programming
Jackson, TN

 

[Apollo7979]

There are several in central Indiana.

All the Bloomington (Monroe County) licensed stations, with the exception of WTIU, the PBS owned by Indiana University, are situated in far southern Johnson County in the town of Trafalger.. Those stations include WTTV-4 (CW), WCLJ-42 (TBN), and WIPX-63 (ION)...all three market themselves as Indianapolis stations.

Grant County's lone full-power station, Marion's WNDY-23, has their tower in Hamilton County, which would place their stick half-way between Marion and Indianapolis by the way of the crow. Despite Marion being 60 miles away from Indy, WNDY has always served (or in their early days...attempted to serve) the Indianapolis market. Indy's WISH-TV recently became their sister station.

WTTV's full power repeater licensed to Kokomo (Howard County) has their tower in southern Tipton County. WTTK-29's purpose is to cover northern Indianapolis and, back in the day, the northern portion of the state. Back in the late 80s and early 90s, WTTV/WTTK used to claim they were on nearly all of the cable systems in the state of Indiana.

Outside of the Indy market, WLFI-18, licensed to Lafayette and Tippecanoe County, has their tower about 15 miles east of town near Rossville in Clinton County. The original intent of having their tower there was to provide a solid signal to both Lafayette and Kokomo. Lafayette's TBN station, however, has a transmitter in Tippecanoe County. Although, the station might as well not exist because no area cable systems carry the station, which is a low-power translator.

Finally, the tower of Richmond-Wayne County's WKOI-43 is situated in rural Butler County, OH, about 25 miles from their COL. The station used to identify themselves as "Richmond/Cincinnati" since the station was half-way between the two cities.

 

[ixnay]

I think this is the case with Baltimore's WMAR, WJZ and WBAL. I believe their 3-way tower is in Baltimore County for which Baltimore City is NOT a part of. Baltimore, like the cities in Virginia is independent of any county. St. Louis is the only other city I can think of that is not part of any county, even St. Louis county in Missouri.

I've driven by the studios of WBAL, WMAR and WJZ. WBAL and WJZ are practically around the corner from each other on TV Hill in Baltimore City, right underneath the inverted tripod tower, with WBFF's studio and stick a couple of blocks away. I could see the tx's from the bleachers at Memorial Stadium when I attended Orioles games there.

WMAR, however, is on York Road (MD Route 45) in Rodgers Forge, just inside Baltimore County, going towards the county seat, Towson. I could see the tripod tower from WMAR's parking lot.

Baltimore County is shaped like a railroad car couple, thanks to a) the state legislature(?) separating the city from the county in the 1850s and b) a 1918 annexation by the city through a referendum. OTOH, the resistance of Brookline to Boston's annexation resulted in an "ithsmus" (sp) connecting the Allston and Brighton neighborhoods with the greater part of Beantown. That "ithsmus" has almost its full length and width taken up by Boston University.

Speaking of counties, I'm surprised no one has pointed out that NYC is comprised of five counties. Each of its five boroughs is a county, but none, I believe, has a county government. Do any stations licensed to NYC have sticks outside "the five boroughs"?

Kudos to those who did their homework with map reading re this topic, and realizing that some cities are coextensive with counties, while some cities are not part of any county.

I remember it being mentioned on R-I that WBOC-16, COL Salisbury, Wicomico County, MD, has its stick in extreme southern Sussex County, DE.

This is a fun topic. ;D

ixnay

 

[KML0224]

As for Massachusetts, Suffolk County is BOSTON, Chelsea, Revere and Winthrop. Now the whole deal with Brookline being "separated" from the rest makes sense. I believe Norwell, MA on the south shore is also another separated section of Norfolk County. I mention them because they have channel 46 licensed to them. I think that was to be the original PAX station before it went to channel 68.

 

[dave73]

And if WYIN-56 ever gets to go DTV-only from the Sears Tower, both stations licensed to Gary, Lake County would then be transmitting from Chicago in Cook County, Illinois.

WYIN withdrew their request to put both their analog and digital antennas on the Sears Tower. The cost was too prohibitive for them. They were going to put on the Sears Tower only to improve reception to NW Indiana residents, and continue serving NW Indiana. Even with the purchase of new equipment, it wasn't worth the cost, and they decided to keep the tower located in Cedar Lake Indiana. Both WTTW & WYCC were glad that WYIN withdrew their request, because the station is licensed to Gary Indiana, and because of that, WYIN gets discounts on PBS programming, where WYCC & WTTW must pay a premium for the programming, since they're licensed to Chicago. But the FCC approved the request though, especially for the analog, since WPXE 55 (licensed to Kenosha Wisconsin broadcasts somewhere else. I'll mention them in a little bit)

As for the Chicago market, WPWR on 50 is licensed to Gary Indiana, but when they acquired the license from the Lake Central School System in St John Indiana, they moved the antenna on the Sears Tower in Chicago (Cook County). WXFT 60, licensed to Aurora Illinois is also on the Sears Tower. WGBO 66, licensed to Joliet Illinois is on top of the John Hancock in Chicago. WJYS 62, licensed to Hammond Indiana has their analog antenna on site with their studios in Tinley Park Illinois, which is in Cook County, and their digital antenna on top of the Sears Tower in Chicago.

I don't know about all of the Milwaukee market, but WJJA 49, licensed to Racine Wisconsin in Racine County has their analog in Milwaukee County in Oak Creek. They tried to locate to the tower far on the far north side of Milwaukee, but Milwaukee (not the FCC) denied their request, even though they were going to locate on an existing tower. I don't know if their digital is in the tower farm or not. WPXE (I don't know their original call letters) originally had their antenna in Pleasant Prairie, but relocated to Franksville Wisconsin in Racine County, and has their digital on the tower farm in Milwaukee in Milwaukee County. The move to Racine County allowed enough spacing to where WYIN (licensed to Gary Indiana) could have put their antenna on the Sears Tower.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

You mentioned the city of Denver being in it's own county of the same name. This also happens with Philadelphia.

Not just being in its own county, but being its own county. In other words, city government in the city of Denver is also county government for Denver County. The only real exception to this is the Denver County Sheriff's Office, which is in charge of guarding the City Jail and a few other places. Denver Police handle the patrolling of the streets and some highways.

Cheers